The "Welcome To The Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N' Roses" thread

[badapple81]

D you make good points, especially the releasing a single and video first.

I didn't say they would sue, obviously they wouldn't after last time. I just thought they would make some sort of comment in an interview or something. Saying that, I don't think they have done any for a while.

I just think Axl has done so much to protect and keep the project in secrecy, so I can imagine him doing something like this to disguise it until some big announcement or something.. meh.. im just dreaming 

How many Aerosmith GH have been released? About as many as The Doors I think! 

[D]

I just want to help save some of u from a big disappointment.

Personally I love the whole secret thing.

I think music is released too formulatic these days.

First week sales are everything and I think that sucks.


CD wouldnt sell real well first week due to lack of promotion but they could release the single/video the day the CD is released and word of mouth would spread like crazy.

People wouldnt be able to download it before it was released and it wouldnt suffer from some haters negative review.

I love the idea and I wish more than anything it would be so, but Im just sayin, dont get your hopes up.

[Will]

I can't imagine why some people think this is a cover up for CD. I'm like the other guys around here. Don't get your hopes up. I don't want you to get disappointed when Dec. 20 comes and you find out Universal just released a best of as it was planned.

If CD was to be released, I am pretty sure we would now about it. Not only us, real hardcore GN'R fans. But the whole world. They would have ads every-fuckin-where. Come on now, the most anticipated rock album of all times, 14 years in the making (since the release of UYI, for the non hardcore fans that was the last big release of GN'R), +10 millions of $ invested by Geffen/ Universal, and you seriously think they would release it under a different name to...make a surprise...? When CD is released, this is gonna be insane. You will see GN'R everywhere.

I, for one, would love to see CD released and to finally listen to it, but I'm fairly sure it will not be this time. Call me names if you want, it won't change anything. I admit it is strange that no band member is fighting this and that Merck doesn't comment about this, but the title only is too "old GN'R" for me. Why would they use an old song to cover up the new album or to hint at CD? I guess they would have used a more "secretive" title, maybe even something inspired by The Da Vinci Code or something...

[WARose]

i don`t get my hopes up on this cover up theory, but i think the whole situation is very weird. i mean, which songs do they want to release on the "bonus cd" geffen released a greatest hits allready. imo they have to release some new or unreleased songs on it, because otherwise noone would buy it. the hardcore fan would just boycott it and the casual music fan has the greatest hits allready.......      i think this all is very weird shit.....like it`s always with gnr....

the only thing that makes me wondering if it`s actually a cover-up for CD, is tommy`s last comment about the news that are probably coming soon, but he can`t say anything because there`s nothing he can tell for sure....

and i think it`s also opssible that the release date gets postponned after a while i think...

[thelostrose]

I just think Axl has done so much to protect and keep the project in secrecy, so I can imagine him doing something like this to disguise it until some big announcement or something.. meh.. im just dreaming?

remember axl saying, that the internet is a big garbage can?

it would be a very strange idea if it's a cover up, but i think it fits axl and all his privacy during the last couple of years!

[anythinggoes]

Call me names if you want, it won't change anything.

non believer ?

[Warren]

Axl's project is doomed.

Without Slash and Izzy, GN'R is a mess.

[Hypird]

there is some other "big" releases in 20th

Santa Monica, California, November 4, 2005 ? Geffen Records will release Mary J. Blige?s seventh album, ?The Breakthrough,? on December 20, 2005.

[Cocaine__tongue]

May I ask for Jarmo or Mysteron's opinion on this topic?
Do you think there's any possibility for it beeing a masked Chinese Democracy release?. Would it make any sense? (it did in '91, but the situation in completely different now...).

Thanks!!

[sanctified]

nothing has been confirmed officially yet.  until that happens, it's just well-wishing.

[lastroots]

So, now I actually took the time to read all the way through this thread and I wanna share my opinion. As you might know, there was a time when I was the first one to jump in on such "conspiracy theories" and all, maybe just because i wanted to believe, but I guess some of you are running into a great disappointment.

Especially to all those quoting what Tommy, Richard, Dizzy recently said (not that they didn't say the same stuff all the time for years now): My theory is this:

Geffen told the band kindly that they'd have two last deadline options, Xmas or March06. After that, member started saying the little s-word again. But someone else (most likely Axl) then told Geffen "no, that's too early" or something like that. And Geffen answered "ok, but we want our fucking money back, so we'll put out another GH - deal with it".

I think this sounds way more realistic than all the cover-up stuff.


/lastroots

[Christos AG]

One question to put this to bed.

How many Greatest Hits packages have Geffen released from Aerosmith?

The right question here would be "how many albums have Aerosmith released?".

You can't release a Greatest Hits album in 2004 (from 4 cd's) and another double cd BEST OF in 2005. There aren't so many songs to choose from. People don't know "pretty tied up" or "estranged". We know them cause we love them, but if you ask the average fan to name some GNR songs they'll name the usual ones which have already been released on the first GH album...

[god of thunder]

Oh my, this gets exciting.

We still do not have an official confirmation from Geffen that there will be an album at all at this date. But if there is going to be a release:

It is madness to release a potential heavyhitter 5 days before christmas. If it really is CD, there MUST be the worlds heaviest ad campaign during this timespan to focus consumers interest. Maybe it is GnR`s goal to break all records for sales within 5 days  A cd is usually bought quickly, especially before christmas since it is usually not in the pricing range where people have to think if they can afford it.
 I guess after christmas many people will be inspired to buy some new products since they spend hours in front of the TV;)

Maybe the calculation is: Creating a  highly profitable timespan for sales to prevent piracy. (Who is going to give a copied cd as a christmas present?) Attract more consumers  with christmas ad spots  and secure a number 1 chart position to get radio airplay and attention  since the first quarter of the new year is usually not overflooded with blockbuster releases.  It would be mad, but if they are lucky, coordinate everything effectively and have huge ad budget it might work.

On the other hand my guess that this is CD is at 20%. I think a quick cash cow combining Greatest Hits and the best songs of Live Era in a new box is most possible. But then the release date would make even less sense. Well maybe it is better to get a little part of christmas business then releasing another best of sometime in january/february.

Well we gonna see....

[jarmo]

Someone who's not a big fan like you and me. He already has bought the Greatest Hits album. How many GN'R songs does the average music fan know? 6-7-8? WTTJ, PC, SCOM, KOHD, November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Patience, Civil War, Don't Cry, that's 9...

They're all in the Greatest Hits album. Noone will buy a double cd when they can have them all in a single cd.

True, it seems very pointless to have a 2CD "Best Of" for a band that released 3.5 albums with original material.

Either they'll basically take the songs from "Live Era" and put the studio versions on the CDs. Or they could take the "Greatest Hits" CD and add the "Welcome To The Videos" DVD to the package as disc 2.


But I guess we'll get two CDs of hits and maybe next year a "Best of the best of" single CD edition. 



/jarmo

[pilferk]

chineseblue balls knows nothing thats why hes so negitive. go be negitive to your mommy or some other board cause we need to think positive around here. your aura is not becoming. We've got to get ready for CHINESE DEMOCRACY

Very witty reply..not. I konow for a fact that if this were indeed a cover for CD we would know about it by now. I also know for a fact that you sir are a moron. Im negative? please son do some research before you open that hole in your face.?

Just for point of reference (and I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread):

Axl announced that UYI was done in late July at a show.....it came out in mid September.  6 weeks....

Again, I'm not saying this is CD...it's probably not...but to say it's completely out of the question isn't exactly true, either.

[pilferk]

Maybe I'm being negative too, but it is a known fact that record sales are at their absolute worst from January-March.

I find it incomprehensible that the label would release arguably their biggest release of the year 5 days before Christmas heading into the slowest 3 month sales period of the year.

Like last year, the GH is a slow burn type situation that it isn't as big a deal to get out right away.

The release of CD is a once in a lifetime type situation, there is just no way it is being released in a time that traditionally doesn't sell well and will be overshadowed by the hoopla surrounding the holiday season.

It just isn't plausible.

True, and not true.

Music retailers (and retailers in general) have had a pretty strong influx of sales in the week just after X-mas.  LOTS of people give gift certificates or cash for the holidays, and that, typically, is the week they get spent.  It's not out of the question that you could drop a release there and still benefit, at least a bit, from the Holiday sales rush. 

Let's put up this hypothesis:  You're Geffen and you CD drops into your lap a little too late to actually work into your MAIN holiday release list.  Now you have 2 choices: You can wedge it in just before X-mas and MAYBE get some of the holiday business...or you can sit on it til April-ish and make zippo.

It's risky, to be sure.  But it's not insane.  And the risk may have been brought on by circumstances Geffen couldn't control.

There is lots of interesting stuff to examine, here, to be sure.

[jarmo]

Axl announced that UYI was done in late July at a show.....it came out in mid September.? 6 weeks....

True.

But at the time, several release dates had been reported in the media before that.

I remember reading that it would be out in May, then July and finally it was released in September.


Also remember that there was a new track out in June/July 1991. Months before the album.

Most bands do release singles to radio before an album. Usually weeks before the actual album release. We haven't heard anything about that either.



/jarmo

[Neemo]

Axl announced that UYI was done in late July at a show.....it came out in mid September.? 6 weeks....

True.

But at the time, several release dates had been reported in the media before that.

I remember reading that it would be out in May, then July and finally it was released in September.


Also remember that there was a new track out in June/July 1991. Months before the album.

Most bands do release singles to radio before an album. Usually weeks before the actual album release. We haven't heard anything about that either.



/jarmo

And there has been no rumored dates for CD before this???

C'mon Jarmo. Anyway, I say this is not gonna be CD but I think that the majority of people on this board wayy overestimate the amount of promotion that Albums need or get to sell well.

I'm definately curious to see how this pans out

[jarmo]

And there has been no rumored dates for CD before this???

Not lately from Geffen/Universal.....


When Axl mentioned the summer in 2001, it wasn't a release date.



/jarmo

[Neemo]

And there has been no rumored dates for CD before this???

Not lately from Geffen/Universal.....


When Axl mentioned the summer in 2001, it wasn't a release date.



/jarmo

The only date I remember reading about for Illusions was May '91. This year we've heard Feb, April, June, November and now December. I know none were official but still we're talking about rumored dates, no?