Philosophical question of the month- May

[2NaFish]

not everything is subjective.

sweet child o' mine is simply better objectively than, say, mary had a little lamb.

not to a 3 year old

Bad example. I was listening to mary had a little lamb. Change the comparison to "Sweet Child Vs The Sound of A Schoolbus Backing Up" Or even better "scom vs silence"

Just because someone says they consider something good does not make it so. Its just an opinion. Opinions are not infallable. "In my opinion 2+2=6" Its bullshit no matter how you package it.

If you follow that trend that comes from saying "I consider X beatiful. Therefore X is beautiful." You get some pretty disturbing outcomes.

Nevermind if you take it even further and say, "I consider Y good/fat/old/green/incandescent. Therefore Y is good/fat/old/green/incandescent". Its an impossible situation if you run it through to its conclusion.

It is simply someone stating an opinion on something and my point is that opinion does not outweigh certain standards. Obviously beauty comes down to the eye of the beholder in 99.9% of cases where it is applied. But the question of the month is "Is everything that one considers beautiful subjective, or is there a standard?"

If you say that beauty is 100% in the eye of the beholder then you have to accept some incredibly strange, impossible conclusions. Therefore i cant.

(at the begining of this topic i promised myself i wouldn't start spouting shite. One friendly reply later and i'm off......"

[Sin Cut]

A nazi may find the holocaust beautiful so its definitely subjective.

There are people who jack off to beastiality so that answers that.


Being beautiful is different than being hot and sexy however.

Beautiful is the entire package of brains,personality,looks,soul... my woman for instance is beautiful.

Girls in 2 piece thongs with hot bodies but not much else are just hot but not beautiful.

Well, at least my girl's hot 

[Jessica]

always going on about women being hot, or not, but what do men do to make their partner say " he is so hot, i am so lucky to be with him" ?

Because most of us end up with beer bellied stupid 30 year old somethings who only go worse as time goes by see ?

What is it worth being hot if it's to be with a smelly fat retarded ape ? ( some of us do have that back home, i promise !!)

[Queen of Everything]

People often say that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder,' and I say that the most liberating thing about beauty is realizing that you are the beholder. This empowers us to find beauty in places where others have not dared to look, including inside ourselves.

~Salma Hayek

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

i dunno 2na.. i'm actually friends with a girl who'd rather listen to silence than scom.

i see what you're trying to say but (to stray away from the girls example) lets take cars for example.. i happen to think mini coopers look really cool, whereas my friend is a fan of the mazda miata instead.. statistically one car might be better than the other, but you can't tell me that i'm wrong to like the mini or tell him that he's wrong to like the miata

[Sakib]

Beauty is subjective

I think real beauty is always in someone's intentions and how they act. When they behave in a beautiful manner, that person becomes beautiful. When someone has good intentions they become beautiful.

[Jessica]

Beauty is subjective

I think real beauty is always in someone's intentions and how they act. When they behave in a beautiful manner, that person becomes beautiful. When someone has good intentions they become beautiful.

Yes, that's actuallly pretty true.( shame so few people happen to be this way)

[WARose]

beauty is always subjective....

but there`re definitely some standards though...  evolutionally caused

[Walk]

Objective. The classical form will always be the standard for human beauty. The Greeks got it right over 2 millennia ago, and there are still fools who dispute this fact. There are definitely ratios for good looking bodies. The Greeks determined the ratios by wrist measurement, since it was easiest this way, but any part would work.

The reason people think it's subjective is because neurotic people have a poor ability to discern taste. They're the kind of people who enjoy McD's, radio-rock, and think black metal sounds like crap, but post-modern jazz is sophisticated and intelligent. Objective people can appreciate both external and esoteric beauty.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

People often say that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder,' and I say that the most liberating thing about beauty is realizing that you are the beholder. This empowers us to find beauty in places where others have not dared to look, including inside ourselves.

~Salma Hayek

That was said by salma? weird

[Queen of Everything]

People often say that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder,' and I say that the most liberating thing about beauty is realizing that you are the beholder. This empowers us to find beauty in places where others have not dared to look, including inside ourselves.

~Salma Hayek

That was said by salma? weird

Yup!  I think its a beautiful quote!  I have it to my friend when she was having self-esteem issues!!!!

[Eazy E]

always going on about women being hot, or not, but what do men do to make their partner say " he is so hot, i am so lucky to be with him" ?

Because most of us end up with beer bellied stupid 30 year old somethings who only go worse as time goes by see ?

What is it worth being hot if it's to be with a smelly fat retarded ape ? ( some of us do have that back home, i promise !!)

What are you going on about?  Way to group all men into one category: "smelly fat retarded apes".

Is dumb in the eye of the beholder? 

[Goldie]

You can fix ugly. You can't fix stupidity!  

[Eric]

True to the question-I always thought Monica Lewinski (clinton scandal) was cute-boy, do I catch hell from friends for that

[Sakib]

Objective. The classical form will always be the standard for human beauty. The Greeks got it right over 2 millennia ago, and there are still fools who dispute this fact. There are definitely ratios for good looking bodies. The Greeks determined the ratios by wrist measurement, since it was easiest this way, but any part would work.

The reason people think it's subjective is because neurotic people have a poor ability to discern taste. They're the kind of people who enjoy McD's, radio-rock, and think black metal sounds like crap, but post-modern jazz is sophisticated and intelligent. Objective people can appreciate both external and esoteric beauty.

I do not understand your post at all. What did the greeks get right 2 millenia ago and what are these "measurements" and the "classical formula"? sorry but i don't understand a word

[2NaFish]

The greeks had mathematical formulae for beauty. They used them when designing buildings and shit so that when they were observed from distance they would look beautiful. Slight curves and shit that could only be seen close up give the impression of perfection from a distance.

[Evolution]

100% in the Eye Of The Beholder.


Personally I prefer it when you find something great that others hate.

[RichardNixon]

Objective. The classical form will always be the standard for human beauty. The Greeks got it right over 2 millennia ago, and there are still fools who dispute this fact. There are definitely ratios for good looking bodies. The Greeks determined the ratios by wrist measurement, since it was easiest this way, but any part would work.

The reason people think it's subjective is because neurotic people have a poor ability to discern taste. They're the kind of people who enjoy McD's, radio-rock, and think black metal sounds like crap, but post-modern jazz is sophisticated and intelligent. Objective people can appreciate both external and esoteric beauty.

I do not understand your post at all. What did the greeks get right 2 millenia ago and what are these "measurements" and the "classical formula"? sorry but i don't understand a word

Different cultures have different forms of beauty. What was considered beautiful to the Greeks wont be considered beautiful to people living in Ethiopia. When people are looking at potential mates, they are looking at what will be good traits that will survive in offspring.

And Black Metal does sound like crap...

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

The greeks had mathematical formulae for beauty. They used them when designing buildings and shit so that when they were observed from distance they would look beautiful. Slight curves and shit that could only be seen close up give the impression of perfection from a distance.

and someone could easily go upto those buildings and say.. "wow.. this building is so ugly.. very detailed, but still ugly"

[Walk]

Different cultures have different forms of beauty. What was considered beautiful to the Greeks wont be considered beautiful to people living in Ethiopia. When people are looking at potential mates, they are looking at what will be good traits that will survive in offspring.

I've seen enough beauties from foreign countries to know that beauty is universal. Women considered beautiful in India, Nigeria, and Bolivia are beautiful by our standards. Women ugly there are ugly here. There are a few differences, but the overall view is the same. Dolichocephalic heads, for example, are objectively beautiful. If natural selection had a say, intelligent geeks who listen to black metal all day would get laid more.  You're confusing natural selection with sexual selection. Even animals pick worthless traits. Peacocks come to mind.

And Black Metal does sound like crap...

It's easier and cheaper to produce that way. If you listen past the production, you get the good stuff. Beauty is objective, but it isn't the whole picture.