Possible "Surprise"?

[misterID]

Agree...but how much work have they really done? Nothing to show for it...arrrgghhhhhh....I am not the one who won't put out their music...that is disrespectful.?

Painfully true

The sad thing is, if they would release the album, single, video, (with a song like Better for example) they would generate so many new fans that it wouldn't really matter about who thinks which line up is really GNR.... This line up would BE Guns N' Roses. Period.

[madagas]

True. Have a good weekend...time to step away from the computer for awhile.

[Takemedown]

it's guns n roses because Axl has the naming rights. but anyone with half a brain knows it's not reallly guns n roses.

i mean, c'mon already! doesn't mean Axl and his new band won't rock 'cause i'm sure they will. but tain't gnr.

if paul mccartney decided to start touring under the beatles name, would that be the beatles?
 

exactly man.. With these people axl could get anyone adn it would be gnr, he has the rights to the name, that's not what makes gnr..

GNR and The Beatles.... You can't even compare the two. Please. The Beatles NEVER replaced a single member (it started with Sorum). They were around for a lot longer. Released more albums, and more influential albums than GNR. And the big thing is they broke up. GNR never did.

Stop trying to compare them with every classic band you can think of. We still call the Cure The Cure and King Crimson King Crimson even though only the lead singers remain.

I wasn't comparing, I was making an analogy. MY opinion is you cannot have an entirely new lineup and think of them the same way.

Ok, no classic comparisons - what if slash, duff and matt had the naming rights, got scottie and called themselves Guns n' Roses? would that work for ya?

[GnR-NOW]

fuck i mean how many singers did van halen have like 3 or 4

[Takemedown]

I wouldn't compare this situation to the Cure.? Robert Smith has always been the Cure - and many of the "revolving" members have been in and out of the band over the years.

I agree that Axl & Slash are Guns N Roses.? Izzy played a bigger part than most people realize in the songwriting - but really Axl & Slash are GNR.?

That said, I still think of the current incarnation of Pink Floyd as Pink Floyd - even though Roger Waters left the band 25 years ago.? However, I don't consider this current version of Queen as Queen without Freddie.? OK, now I'm confused.

Either way - who cares?? AXL ROSE IS BACK!? I don't care if he calls himself the Backstreet Boys - I'll be there for sure.? And it's not like this band isn't good - Brian is probably the best drummer Axl has ever had..... and Robin ain't bad either.

Bingo! (Although the Floyd thing still irks me w/out Waters) 

[GunnerOne 84]

I'm pretty sure VH had 3, and yeah, if the VR guys had the GNR name, i don;t know that anyone would buy it, so i guess it goes both ways. The lead singer always gets the most attention. But a lot of bands have had replacements at some point or another. I still think we may see slash someday soon, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

[misterID]

And this was my point about comparing bands:

How about this. Slash could call this band whatever he wanted if the rolls were reversed. If he called it GNR it would be GNR... Because he's actually in the band. I'm not. So its not my place to say its not GNR. I'm just a fan.

I wouldn't be interested if Axl wasn't a part of it, but it would still be GNR.

[marino95]

The bottom line is - until this current incarnation of GNR releases and album or goes on tour and plays 80-85% new material - they are going to be considered "backing musicians" or a "cover band". ?The last tour, they really only played 4-5 new songs (Blues, CD, Maddy, OMG & Rhiad once in a while) and played 15-16 classic GNR tunes, including all the hits. ?This is why people say what they say. ?

When Sammy joined VH (ugh), they played almost entirely new stuff with one or two of Sammy's solo songs and one or two old VH classics (Panama I remember). ?They didn't tour for 2 years with Sammy Hagar singing Ice Cream Man and Big Bad Bill trying to act like David Lee Roth. ?GNR's last tour was all "original lineup" hits with Robin & Buckethead copying Slash's solos. ?THIS is why there is laughter and ridicule.

[Mr.Intensity]

The bottom line is - until this current incarnation of GNR releases and album or goes on tour and plays 80-85% new material - they are going to be considered "backing musicians" or a "cover band". ?The last tour, they really only played 4-5 new songs (Blues, CD, Maddy, OMG & Rhiad once in a while) and played 15-16 classic GNR tunes, including all the hits. ?This is why people say what they say. ?

When Sammy joined VH (ugh), they played almost entirely new stuff with one or two of Sammy's solo songs and one or two old VH classics (Panama I remember). ?They didn't tour for 2 years with Sammy Hagar singing Ice Cream Man and Big Bad Bill trying to act like David Lee Roth. ?GNR's last tour was all "original lineup" hits with Robin & Buckethead copying Slash's solos. ?THIS is why there is laughter and ridicule.

Buckethead didn't copy any solos... he reworked everyone to his style.. and made some of them better.. such as nightrain.

[marino95]

The bottom line is - until this current incarnation of GNR releases and album or goes on tour and plays 80-85% new material - they are going to be considered "backing musicians" or a "cover band". ?The last tour, they really only played 4-5 new songs (Blues, CD, Maddy, OMG & Rhiad once in a while) and played 15-16 classic GNR tunes, including all the hits. ?This is why people say what they say. ?

When Sammy joined VH (ugh), they played almost entirely new stuff with one or two of Sammy's solo songs and one or two old VH classics (Panama I remember). ?They didn't tour for 2 years with Sammy Hagar singing Ice Cream Man and Big Bad Bill trying to act like David Lee Roth. ?GNR's last tour was all "original lineup" hits with Robin & Buckethead copying Slash's solos. ?THIS is why there is laughter and ridicule.

Buckethead didn't copy any solos... he reworked everyone to his style.. and made some of them better.. such as nightrain.

Point taken - there was some ingenuity and variation to BH's playing - but it was still essentially the same song with a similar structure.  My main point is - they need to be LEADING with the new material for the naysayers to quit this chatter about this not being the real GUNS N ROSES.  Personally, I like hearing the old stuff too - but I'm just saying that would quit all the chatter.

[GnR-NOW]

The bottom line is - until this current incarnation of GNR releases and album or goes on tour and plays 80-85% new material - they are going to be considered "backing musicians" or a "cover band". ?The last tour, they really only played 4-5 new songs (Blues, CD, Maddy, OMG & Rhiad once in a while) and played 15-16 classic GNR tunes, including all the hits. ?This is why people say what they say. ?

When Sammy joined VH (ugh), they played almost entirely new stuff with one or two of Sammy's solo songs and one or two old VH classics (Panama I remember). ?They didn't tour for 2 years with Sammy Hagar singing Ice Cream Man and Big Bad Bill trying to act like David Lee Roth. ?GNR's last tour was all "original lineup" hits with Robin & Buckethead copying Slash's solos. ?THIS is why there is laughter and ridicule.

Buckethead didn't copy any solos... he reworked everyone to his style.. and made some of them better.. such as nightrain.

definetly agree with the bucket/nightrain being better. ?Another way to look at it is this, TWAT, Better, Blues, Madagascar, and IRS are not only better then VR songs, their more diverse, emotional, and epic. ?Im not saying VR songs are bad, but the GNR new songs are just better. ?However non of them have been officially released.

[disease51883]

I don't remember ever chiming in on this subject, and I'm sure one of the mods will get this thread back on track shortly. So here's my two cents. This new band is Guns N' Roses. It still has a couple members left from the last original GNR albums (the Use Your Illusions), and it still has more than a couple members left from the last original song ("Oh My God"). If the band had fired Axl in 1996 and his replacement was Scott Weiland, Velvet Revolver would be GNR. If every band member but Adler had quit one by one starting in 1990, Adler's Appetite would be GNR. Of course, as much as I like the current incarnation of GNR, it's up to each listener to decide what he considers to be good music. Post-Bon Scott AC/DC does nothing for me. It's still AC/DC though. I can accept that.

[mikegiuliana]

I look at it different ways being a life long fan ,I believe no one man is any band, at least not gnr for me.... I think owning a name and being that name is two different things.. I mean I wouldn't feel it was gnr either if duff and slash owned the name... The best thing to me would had been to put the name away and let axl do something like ozzy.. The band may not have broken up in one clean sweep but it did slowly... Wether it was ego, drugs booze creative differences or whatever it ended imo...

I mean look today, you have a band that started to start in 98 with tommy and robin session players, other players for oh my god, then people left others joined (huge fortus) your rio lineup is different in 01, the 2002 tour lineup was different then rio and now the 06 tour will be different too.. You have a band around for about 7 years and you have like 4-5 weeks worth of shows, ?and afew bootlegs.. Without the net you wouldn't even have access to know the band like you have.. No albums & no new music, not really what I think of as the greatest band as some claim..

Personally without the name the draw wouldn't be the same, and the patience from the label wouldn't be there nor would the mega bucks to spare, so axl kind of got help from keeping the name...

I want a reunion one day but I don't expect afd gnr or anything from that era, I just think it would be cool to see the people who actually made the band big instead of people sliding in coasting into positions others made.. Gnr has sold 90 million albums world wide, how many of those came from these new guys so far?? NONE!! They might release their first album as this new band and not even have the guy on guitars in the band- bh

many people today just feel whoever axl has and as long as it's axl it just is gnr.. ?years ago maybe you liked others in the band as well.. For me the shows will be great, but my anticipation years ago might had been to see sevral members, now it's just axl, anyone could be on the stage with him today...

I bet some young punk is saying rodgers is queen not freddy

[GnR-NOW]

bottom when people ask me what concert am i going to see in may, i say im going to see guns n roses, nothing more to it for me

[mikegiuliana]

bottom when people ask me what concert am i going to see in may, i say im going to see guns n roses, nothing more it for me

I say I am seeing axl rose and his new guys... I usually get asked if it's gnr they knew or axl's band.... I told one person I was going they asked me if it they had gotten back together...

[GnR-NOW]

bottom when people ask me what concert am i going to see in may, i say im going to see guns n roses, nothing more it for me

I say I am seeing axl rose and his new guys... I usually get asked if it's gnr they knew or axl's band.... I told one person I was going they asked me if it they had gotten back together...

so for you then, this isnt guns n roses, you see it as an Axl project with a band?

[MarioGunner]

bottom when people ask me what concert am i going to see in may, i say im going to see guns n roses, nothing more it for me

I say I am seeing axl rose and his new guys... I usually get asked if it's gnr they knew or axl's band.... I told one person I was going they asked me if it they had gotten back together...

it?s simply the truth, face it people, i have posted this in other threads, this just isn?t GN?R,? is axl?s proyect, he didn?t have to keep the name to succeed, he would have done it without the name, i think he should have called it something else.

as simple as that, wether we like it or not........ anyway we would still follow axl, am i wrong??

[GnR-NOW]

i dont compare the two bands, theyre obviously different, the original line up is the one that made the GNR name mean something.? but this is guns n roses, tommy, richard, robin are members of guns n roses. ie think the new mustangs look like shit compared to the most previous body style, but theyre still mustangs, and i like mustangs so i accept it.? this is guns n roses, its the only guns n roses band thats touring.? its not an axl rose solo project because the members have contributed to the songs we ve heard so far.? besides in 1997 duff and matt were still a part of the band even though they quit that year, say they didnt quit then does that mean today the lineup is axl, duff, matt, robin, and fortus.? would that make it a more acceptable gnr lineup? To me, most people, not the people on this board because we re all knowledgeable guns fans, but as mentioned earlier, slash is what makes people say it isnt gnr.? if slash joined gnr then no body would give a shit who else is in the band.? im saying this latest line? up is guns n roses, its not the guns n roses that put out afd and uyi, but it ll be the guns n roses that will put out chinese democracy, and its the only guns n roses that will be in ny for the 4 shows.  change is inevitable, no matter what the situation is/.

[believeume]

Who really cares what the name is? What does it matter anyway? It's all marketing trick, if it was Axl and the same exact lineup going out and touring under a different name and playing the exact same music they are now, it wouldn't make the same money, so they call it Guns n Roses and sell out everywhere they go... it's just the commercialization of a brand name... if Velvet Revolver had called themselves Guns n Roses and put out the exact same album they would've sold 3 times as many albums. It has nothing to do with anything except a poster to put on your wall or a t-shirt to wear.

[MarioGunner]

you are really hard man, such hard head, whatever man, if that makes you happy