Axl going to get political on tour?

[lastroots]

I do have to agree with GFortusR here. I think people will loose more and more liberties over the years to fight terrorism. A friend of mine was in NY at 9/11 and he was practically forced to wear a little American flag. If you're not for us..... I have visited the States a lot over the recent years and things have really changed. Same happened in Europe. The atmosphere is more grim these days and governments try to scare citizens into handing over their rights to privacy in order to 'get the bad guy'. It's a worrying trend, reeks of cencorship.

But back on topic..... what was that again?

Very ill-informed post. I work in the financial district, 2 blocks from Ground Zero. Outside of having to go thorugh a metal detector to get into our building, nothing has changed since before 9/11.  Certainly none of my liberties have been lost.  In fact, people commonly protest all sorts of things in that very area. Ironically enough, one of the groups you see protesting nearly every day is the Fallun Gong (sp?) rallying for religious freedom and Chinese democracy. 

So, my last (I promise) post on that matter:

Did you even recognize the Patriot Act. Maybe you don't feel it in everday life, but your freedom has been cut drastically. Not only for you, it's the same here in Germany, or nearly the same. Problem is, these are just the things the few fanatics want! Killing democracy by killing citizen rights, since that is what the "west" has done to their countries for 80 years now.


/lastroots

[gator]

If one infers from the title of the forthcoming album that Axl is pro-democracy, then it stands to reason Axl would be a huge supporter of the liberation of Iraq. After all, a brutally repressive, genocidal totalitarian regime was deposed and replaced with democratic rule and civil liberties (women's sufferage, religious freedom, free speech, free press, etc.) for all classes. That being said, Axl rarely follows the rational or logical course of action, so a rant decrying the Baath party removal would certainly not be surprising in the least. ?

[gator]

Did you even recognize the Patriot Act. Maybe you don't feel it in everday life, but your freedom has been cut drastically.


/lastroots

Now that doesn't make much sense. My freedom has been cut so drastically I don't even realize it? The Patriot Act has done nothing to curtail my civil liberties or those of any law-abiding citizen I know. Please give me a specific example of someone who's freedom has been diminished by the Patriot Act so I can better follow your point.?

[lastroots]

Did you even recognize the Patriot Act. Maybe you don't feel it in everday life, but your freedom has been cut drastically.


/lastroots

Now that doesn't make much sense. My freedom has been cut so drastically I don't even realize it? The Patriot Act has done nothing to curtail my civil liberties or those of any law-abiding citizen I know. Please give me a specific example of someone who's freedom has been diminished by the Patriot Act so I can better follow your point. 

I'm open for a discussion, but please take it to PMs.

/lastroots

[The Dog]

If one infers from the title of the forthcoming album that Axl is pro-democracy, then it stands to reason Axl would be a huge supporter of the liberation of Iraq. After all, a brutally repressive, genocidal totalitarian regime was deposed and replaced with democratic rule and civil liberties (women's sufferage, religious freedom, free speech, free press, etc.) for all classes. That being said, Axl rarely follows the rational or logical course of action, so a rant decrying the Baath party removal would certainly not be surprising in the least. 

Liberation of Iraq???  Funny how the original intention was to find and destroy WMDs....oh wait, there weren't any.  whoops...quick Karl Rove, think of another reason we went to Iraq....um, hmm, to free the poor people of Iraq!?!?!  Good idea!! Now lets go round up as many people as possible and put them in Abu Grab Ass prison and take pictures of them in a naked human pyramid!!!

As for removing a "brutally repressive, genocidal totalitarian regime was deposed and replaced with democratic rule and civil liberties (women's sufferage, religious freedom, free speech, free press, etc.) for all classes" thats funny b/c the other day in Afghanistan a woman was executed by the NEW government for possessing a christian bible.

don't forget Axl came up with the title Chinese Democracy WELL before anyone knew what a Taliban was - somehow I don't think your inference is accurate.  Seriously, inferring he is "pro democracy"? HAHA   Who in America isn't!??!?!

[oldgunsfan]

^^  look how he runs the band, with gag orders on all the members, and than tell me he's pro-democracy with a straight face

[gator]

If one infers from the title of the forthcoming album that Axl is pro-democracy, then it stands to reason Axl would be a huge supporter of the liberation of Iraq. After all, a brutally repressive, genocidal totalitarian regime was deposed and replaced with democratic rule and civil liberties (women's sufferage, religious freedom, free speech, free press, etc.) for all classes. That being said, Axl rarely follows the rational or logical course of action, so a rant decrying the Baath party removal would certainly not be surprising in the least.?

Liberation of Iraq? Funny how the original intention was to find and destroy WMDs....oh wait, there weren't any.? whoops...quick Karl Rove, think of another reason we went to Iraq....um, hmm, to free the poor people of Iraq!?!?!? Good idea!! Now lets go round up as many people as possible and put them in Abu Grab Ass prison and take pictures of them in a naked human pyramid!!!

As for removing a "brutally repressive, genocidal totalitarian regime was deposed and replaced with democratic rule and civil liberties (women's sufferage, religious freedom, free speech, free press, etc.) for all classes" thats funny b/c the other day in Afghanistan a woman was executed by the NEW government for possessing a christian bible.

don't forget Axl came up with the title Chinese Democracy WELL before anyone knew what a Taliban was - somehow I don't think your inference is accurate.? Seriously, inferring he is "pro democracy"? HAHA? ?Who in America isn't!??!?!

Surely it's not your contention the people of Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter) now have LESS freedom than before their respective totalitarian regimes were deposed? The reason for the invasion is completely immaterial in this discussion. The net effect is both countries have democratically elected governments now. For proponents of democracy this is very positive.?

[The Dog]

^^  look how he runs the band, with gag orders on all the members, and than tell me he's pro-democracy with a straight face

haahaha, thats funny!   You're also not allowed to voice displeasure with the leaked tracks (the call to arms to that one newspaper) and don't you DARE wear a "wheres slash" tshirt to a concert!  YOU WILL BE SILENCED!!!

Gator - by your logic, the USA should invade every non-democratic nation in the world.  Look out arab world, here we come.  The justification for war should NEVER be immaterial - how convienant of you to ignore it.  Honestly, that worked a year ago for bush and his boys, but the american public has grown weary of the rhetoric (just look at any poll regarding bush or the war).