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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2006, 06:23:12 PM »

If I'm not mistaken, it seems that there were direct quotes from Salinger's book. I might be wrong. But it reminds me of the story, an Chapman. Good times. Thanks for the transcribing.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2006, 06:49:09 PM »

dave your last line is wrong...its all alone in jail today...what u wrote does not fit the theme of the song
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2006, 08:32:31 PM »

I feel humble now...
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2006, 08:43:41 PM »

"Haunts our memories" instead of hearts and memories.  Otherwise, damn good job and much appreciated.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2006, 09:02:23 PM »

dave your last line is wrong...its all alone in jail today...what u wrote does not fit the theme of the song

Could it also be "All alone in hell today"?  That's what I'm picking up.
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2006, 10:08:20 PM »

I dunno.

Guns N' Roses - Catcher in the Rye

When all is said and done,
we're not the only ones,
who look at life this way,
that's what the old folk's say,
but every time I see them,
makes me wish I had a gun.

if I thought that I was crazy,
well, I guess I'd have more fun,
guess I'd have more fun.

Ooh, the Catcher in the Rye again,
ooh ooh ooh, won't let ya get away from him.
It's just another day like today.

You decide if I don't have to,
then they'll find and I won't ask you,
and anytime or long thereafter,
if it's cold outside,
as I'm imagining.

Oh, oh.

Ooh, the Catcher in the Rye again,
ooh ooh ooh, won't let ya get away from him.
It's just another day like today.

When all is said and done,
we're not the only ones,
who look at life this way,
that's what the young folk's say,
as if they'd ever change,
that's not, who am I to say?
but every time I'd see them
makes me wish I had a gun.
If I thought that I was crazy,
well I guess I'd have more fun.
It's what used to be's not there for me,
and ought to find someone that belonged insane like I do.

Not an ordinary day,
back in an ordinary way,
all at once this song I heard,
no longer would it play for anybody,
or anyone,
that needed comfort from somebody,
needed comfort from someone who cared to be
not like you, unlike me,
and in an ordinary way for me,
somebody set the wheels in motion,
hearts are memories,
you want the instrument,
you were the one,
how about it?
take the body,
gave that boy a gun,
took our innocence,
beyond our stance,
some type of moment,
then we got it,
all alone we'll only tell...
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2006, 10:36:55 PM »

dave your last line is wrong...its all alone in jail today...what u wrote does not fit the theme of the song
No its not. I dont hear all alone in jail today. I hear with her today
And yes it does fit. All alone would her today could be talking about Yoko Ono after Lennons death
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2006, 11:00:15 PM »

dave is right. Its 'all alone with her today'. The verse is very clear. Dont see how its open to debate.
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2006, 11:08:17 PM »


I can't believe that last stanza is in the frame of reference of lennon; the whole song is about MDC and his disillusionment.
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2006, 11:09:41 PM »

I put up a little backstory about the book, J.D. Salinger and Chapman in Page 19 of the Catcher thread, if anyone is interested. The song does seem to be about Chapman.

I thought he said in "jail" today at the end, but i will go back and listen to it again.
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2006, 11:10:26 PM »


I can't believe that last stanza is in the frame of reference of lennon; the whole song is about MDC and his disillusionment.

Dont know who her is talking about, but the last line is not? all alone in jail today. I just dont hear it. What are you hearing?
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2006, 11:14:24 PM »


I can't believe that last stanza is in the frame of reference of lennon; the whole song is about MDC and his disillusionment.

Dont know who her is talking about, but the last line is not  all alone in jail today. I just dont hear it. What are you hearing?

Honestly, i can't make out any of the words. Your guesses are very admirable. But i don't think it could be about yoko considering the content of the song; this is about MDC, no doubt.
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2006, 11:18:46 PM »

Who exactly is M.D.C and what do you think the song is about??
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2006, 11:22:48 PM »

Who exactly is M.D.C and what do you think the song is about??

Chapman.... the guy who killed John Lennon
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2006, 11:28:36 PM »


I can't believe that last stanza is in the frame of reference of lennon; the whole song is about MDC and his disillusionment.

Dont know who her is talking about, but the last line is not? all alone in jail today. I just dont hear it. What are you hearing?

Honestly, i can't make out any of the words. Your guesses are very admirable. But i don't think it could be about yoko considering the content of the song; this is about MDC, no doubt.
KV, the verse could symbolize Yoko being a widow, and how Chapman feels some sort of closeness, maybe even sorrow for her.
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2006, 11:35:09 PM »

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some type of moment,
then we got it,
all alone with her tonight ...

Does sound like "with her" after all.

After the murder in 1980, Chapman felt no remorse. However, by the year 2000 they had somehow gotten him to see things from Yoko's point of view (watching her husband gunned down in front of her), and he expressed remorse. The last 3 lines of the song may be from "later" than the rest.

"And I want to talk about Mrs. Lennon again. I can?t imagine her pain. I can?t feel it. I?ve tried to think about what it would be like if somebody harmed my family, and there?s just no way to make up for that, and if I have to stay in prison the rest of my life for that one person?s pain, everybody else to the side for a second, just that one person?s pain, I will. ?

Again, I?m not saying these things for ? for you to give me any kind of consideration for letting me go. I?m saying that because they are real, and it happened to me, and I felt her pain then, and I can honestly say I didn?t want to feel it up until then. It?s a horrible thing to, you know, realize what you?ve done.""


Statement of Mark David Chapman to the New York ?Parole Board, Oct. 3, 2000

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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2006, 11:43:17 PM »

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some type of moment,
then we got it,
all alone with her tonight ...

Does sound like "with her" after all.

After the murder in 1980, Chapman felt no remorse. However, by the year 2000 they had somehow gotten him to see things from Yoko's point of view (watching her husband gunned down in front of her), and he expressed remorse. The last 3 lines of the song may be from "later" than the rest.

"And I want to talk about Mrs. Lennon again. I can?t imagine her pain. I can?t feel it. I?ve tried to think about what it would be like if somebody harmed my family, and there?s just no way to make up for that, and if I have to stay in prison the rest of my life for that one person?s pain, everybody else to the side for a second, just that one person?s pain, I will. ?

Again, I?m not saying these things for ? for you to give me any kind of consideration for letting me go. I?m saying that because they are real, and it happened to me, and I felt her pain then, and I can honestly say I didn?t want to feel it up until then. It?s a horrible thing to, you know, realize what you?ve done.""


Statement of Mark David Chapman to the New York ?Parole Board, Oct. 3, 2000



So my Yoko thing fits, thanks for the great find
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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2006, 12:28:16 AM »

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some type of moment,
then we got it,
all alone with her tonight ...

Does sound like "with her" after all.

After the murder in 1980, Chapman felt no remorse. However, by the year 2000 they had somehow gotten him to see things from Yoko's point of view (watching her husband gunned down in front of her), and he expressed remorse. The last 3 lines of the song may be from "later" than the rest.

"And I want to talk about Mrs. Lennon again. I can?t imagine her pain. I can?t feel it. I?ve tried to think about what it would be like if somebody harmed my family, and there?s just no way to make up for that, and if I have to stay in prison the rest of my life for that one person?s pain, everybody else to the side for a second, just that one person?s pain, I will. ?

Again, I?m not saying these things for ? for you to give me any kind of consideration for letting me go. I?m saying that because they are real, and it happened to me, and I felt her pain then, and I can honestly say I didn?t want to feel it up until then. It?s a horrible thing to, you know, realize what you?ve done.""


Statement of Mark David Chapman to the New York  Parole Board, Oct. 3, 2000



ok, I can see that now. That was a terrific find. I didn't know he said those things about her, but I bet they fell on deaf ears.
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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2006, 12:37:53 AM »

When all is said and done, we're not the only ones
Who look at life this way, that's what the old folks say
But every time I'd see them, makes me wish I had a gun
If I thought that I was crazy, well I guess I'd have more fun

Guess I'd have more fun

A Catcher in the Rye, again
Won't let you get away from him
It's just another day like today

You decide, and I don't have to
Then they'll find, and I won't ask you
At anytime, or longing rather
If cold outsides, since I'm imagining

The Catcher in the Rye, again
Won't let you get away from him
It's just another day like today

When all is said and done, we're not the only ones
Who look at life this way, that's what the young folks say

And if they'd ever change, that's not, who am I to say

But every time I'd see them, makes me wish I had a gun
If I thought that I was crazy, well I guess I'd have more fun

It's what used to be, is not there for me
I'm off to find someone that belonged insane, like I do

On an ordinary day, back in an ordinary way
All at once the song I heard, no longer would it play
For anybody, or in anyone, that needed comfort from somebody
Needed comfort from someone who cared, to be, not like you, and unlike me

And then the voices ran away, from me
So now you set the wheels in motion, the hometown memories
You were the instrument, you were the one
Now a body took the body, gave that boy a gun

Took our innocence, beyond our stance
Some type of moment, then we got it, all we know, we'd love to share
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« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2006, 03:53:30 AM »

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Now a body took the body, gave that boy a gun

In the book, Holden thinks about a Robert Burns poem about the catcher in the rye, and imagines himself as the "catcher". Interesting line above which refers to it, "now a body took the body".

http://education.yahoo.com/homework_help/cliffsnotes/the_catcher_in_the_rye/61.html

"When Phoebe asks Holden what he would like to be, she first suggests traditional professions such as a scientist or a lawyer. Holden quickly rejects those. Because it is Phoebe, he feels comfortable revealing an inner truth. What he?d really like to be is ?the catcher in the rye.? Holden misunderstands the line from the Robert Burns lyric that he heard the boy singing in Chapter 16. Holden thinks that the line is, ?If a body catch a body comin? through the rye.? Phoebe corrects him. The actual line, she says, is, ?If a body meet a body coming through the rye.?

Holden has a vision of thousands of small children playing in a field of rye. A cliff borders the field. In their abandon, the innocent children symbolically run too close to the edge and may fall. Holden would be there to catch them. He would be the catcher in the rye."
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