What purpose does editing out the personal info have? To do so, I'd have to edit the headers of the email, my initial question, and a whole host of other info. And the email would then have been edited, calling into question it's validity.
Editing headers is child's play, so don't make it sound difficult. You've chosen not to post it, which affects the weight I would give it. It's unfortunate that I didn't get a reply from Trunk, but such is life. If he happens to reply later, I'll post it, with a lovely little 127.0.0.1 in place of the IP's in the header.
I chose to contact Trunk rather than Jarmo. Keep in mind I'm not questioning that you got a mail from Trunk, I'm questioning Trunk's memory AND motives.
Eyewitnesses are questioned all the time. I have a fair amount of experience in that area pal. I've spent a lot of hours in courtrooms. In my opinion, Trunk's memory makes him less than a spectacular eye witness.
Really? Prove it.
And you can't prove, without talking to him, that his memory is fuzzy ON THIS ITEM or AT THIS TIME.
He made public comments STATING his memory was fuzzy in regards to the TRACKS ON THE CD & THE NUMBER OF TRACKS. Those are PROVEN statements from Trunk. That he, two years later, told you something about BETTER leaves LOTS of room for questioning, since he couldn't pinpoint the # of tracks without "I think". It's not "my opinion", it's "my opinion based on Trunks own words."
On this item? You're right, I can't 100% say it, but the fact that he was iffy before certainly makes me suspect he might be iffy now. Especially when I'm not the only one questioning him, and one of the others he is correctly predicted leaks that happened.
I've presented public comments from Trunk. Funny how you even quoted one of them in this very thread, the one about him listening to the CD in the car on the way home.
No, you haven't. You've shown an interview that shows he was fuzzy on being VERY SPECIFIC when describing the remaining tracks. ... You've taken quotes OUT OF CONTEXT and shown nothing. Not a scrap of proof he's wrong.
In what way were those quotes taken out of context? When asked how many tracks were on the CD, he said "I think." For all we know, he didn't hear the full CD and missed Better. Or, misidentified it. Or can't speak about song titles.
Read my quotes, Pilfrek. I said I was done UNTIL Trunk responded OR it was apparent he wouldn't reply. It's been a week. He's obviously staying out of this mess. Are you able to comprehend that? Don't quote me on crap if you can't manage to do it right.
"I'm going to drop this until I hear from Trunk or enough time passes that I can safely assume he can't be arsed to reply."
from about March 11th at about 10:20 PM Eastern. 4 - 5 days (not a week...) ago. And given you're emailing him at work, and couldn't really expect much before Monday, at the earliest....
Good. You went back to my original quote. It's 5PM Thursday roughly. I've had days with hundreds of emails. I tend to put them in priority and answer them. Those that I'm not answering, I discard. In general, after two days, I've answered anything I intend to, because the next day's shit has already come in.
Face it, you just can't keep your mouth shut on the issue when your fantasy is being so completely sacked.
It's a free forum my friend. Fact is, I'm starting to suspect it's a blow to your ego that not everyone agrees with you. I'll open my mouth when and where I see fit. If I'm wrong in the end, I'll own up to it.
Trunk never mentioned a single track name besides IRS in the Splat interview, nor in any other interview, and claimed not to know them. Now read my quote. I was referring to song titles.
But he remembered what IRS sounded like when the splat interview occured.....and called it IRS.
IRS was written on the CD and played on the show. In that instance, I don't think anyone would care if he talked about it's name - it was well known. What management would be concerned with is keeping the other tracks quiet. Say someone has CITR, and they know a CD was out there with TWAT - that might make people work. IRS was blown. Other names were not.
And you didn't answer my question, therefore it remains valid. I asked about TWAT also, not CITR, so why are you even bringing that into it?
I did answer your question. But, once again, you didn't read it. And I'm not going to reprint and bold it for you this time. I've answered that question, from you, twice now.
You said you didn't ask about TWAT - did he mention it at all? You don't need to have asked him for it to have come up in the conversation. Aside from you saying "Was better on the CD", did you ask him ANYTHING about the CD?
Now maybe you understand why we question this email that wasn't posted, because there's a bunch of other worthwhile questions. And apparently, they were not asked.
Again, I answered you. Apparently you're the one who needs "babying" because you sure miss a lot of the printed words in my posts. If, as you claim, you have some semblance of knowledge when it comes to the law, you'd know how a real gag order would work. He wouldn't be able to even discuss the subject, never mind confirm or deny something.
Oh my lord. You're referring to a gag order given out by a JUDGE, which we know DID NOT happen in this instance.
What would be FAR more likely, since Trunk was cooperating and no judge was ever involved, was that Trunk made some kind of agreement. I.E. Don't give out specifics, don't give out track names.
Funny how he hasn't given specifics or names...
As in, a gag order would prevent him from saying "No, it wasn't", just as much as it would prevent hiim from saying "Yes, it was". His only response could be NO reponse, or a firm "No comment".
Theory blasted to hell.
You're basing your whole argument on an official gag order that did not happen. From Trunk's own description of meeting Axl's reps, this was a friendly exchange - a don't do it again. I can't even remember if a C&D was issued, but a C&D can be given by a lawyer, what you refer to as a "gag order" is given by a judge.
Nothing is blasted to hell.
Management could have put ANY stipulations on him and you have no idea what they might be.
IRS, having been played on the show, clearly doesn't matter. But since the leaking of the disc, and Trunk claiming to "not know the other names", Trunk hasn't said a name. Is THERE WAS A TIME a fucking hard title? It's in the fucking song. Better could be hard to guess, but TWAT was a known song title AT THE TIME.
How could Better be hard to guess? Given it's in the chorus?
Better does not sound like a typical GNR track name, based on their past. In fact it's probably the simplest name for a track out of any GNR song. "Alone" is also in the chorus. It would be equally suspect as the title to someone who didn't know the title beforehand.
As for not remembering the titles....maybe something has jogged his memory, recently, eh? Like maybe actually hearing Better, and US having a title to reference it? How could he deny it was on the CD 3 years ago when nobody knew it existed?
That's possible, but the point here is, other sources have said it WAS the Trunk CD. That same source basically said which tracks were gonna leak prior to them leaking, and they did. This to me makes the source more credible than an email you got from Trunk with no followup questions based on shit he heard three years ago that he may or may not want to talk about at this point.
Nobody asked him specifics, maybe? Nobody directly asked "Was there a song called Better on the CD?" Or those that did, didn't print the material for public consumption?
You have a point in this case, but only in regards to Better. There Was A Time is a well known track name and those words are all over the song. Yet he never mentioned it. Even Dark says that was on the Trunk CD. I find it hard to believe that he didn't know what track that was if he actually listened to the full CD.
Lets recap:
Two sources say TWAT was on the Trunk CD.
TWAT was a known title at the time Trunk got the CD.
Trunk claimed to have at least skimmed the CD in the car, although he wasn't 100% sure on the number of tracks on the CD.
Trunk never, once, said TWAT was a title, instead he said he didn't know what the other tracks were, and that he knew IRS because the CD said it.
This guy couldn't put two and two together? When asked about the other tracks he said he didn't have the names. I would at least expect "It might have been that song TWAT" or "I think it was that song TWAT." It lends credence to the idea that he was asked not to talk about track names or specifics.
Probably could, if he HEARD THE SONG at the time of the question. Fact is, he denies it now.
When did he deny hearing the song? Are you referring to TWAT or Better? If he didn't hear one track, there easily could have been more shit he hasn't heard.
Trunks account is certainly more believable than your fantasy, which has no proof. Again, you weren't there.
You weren't there either. You've put all your chips on Trunks words, and every time I see them, another contradiction appears.
Note: Due to character limit I had to cut out a lot of quotes.
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