Duff Mckagan Responds To AXL ROSE

[Smoking Guns]

You should have some evidence that Axl had that plan. It's your opinion, nothing more.

You think he had a plan and you posted that it didn't work out because Scott joined Camp Freddy. The way I see it, that was your evidence. I pointed out that even if bands play together it doesn't it mean there's no friction. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't really prove that much.

You have no proof that Axl had any plan to cause friction in VR.



/jarmo

I would agree with that. I know most here dont have the same view as me, but I think the Axl comments were to start some sort of game with Slash. The trial is coming up, and maybe he wanted to create some drama in concern to that. I'm not sure. Obviously, IF the october morning meeting did in fact occur, then its a whole new ballgame. But that cant be proven without actual evidence. I highly doubt Axl has intentions of breaking up VR. His material blows theirs out of the water, so why would he give a damn about breaking them up?

James, your final sentence would be better if you did not that GNR doesn't have a song that rocks as hard (or rocks period for that matter) as Slither. ?I love the nusongs, but am not ready to consider this a slam dunk. ?Right now CITR and TWAT are already running together. ?If there isn't a true balance of Rock songs, this thing will tank fast. ?I like what I hear so far. ?But when I want to rock, VR is better for now.

[Continental Drift]

Not to knock VR.... but anytime you're talking about a super-group.... you're basically dealing with a corporate enterprise.... a money making scheme... which isn't to say that great music and performances aren't possible... or that they can't be tight with each other or whatever... but at the end of the day.... as long as there's still good money to be made (and there is plenty still out there for VR)... I think all members are inclined to bite their tongue and do their best to tolerate each other.... but it will never have that "gang" or "family" feel that the original GN'R had... or whatever the vibe was with STP.

Also, the fact is... I just know that Weiland was the type of guy 10 years ago that was wearing his cardigan sweater, smoking a cig and sitting in a cafe with his alterna-friends bitching/laughing about how bloated, pompous and pathetic Guns N' Roses was... now he's in a band with 3/6's of that line-up.... of course there's going to be friction... ?even in the best of times.

[Smoking Guns]

It could well be a stunt to garner publicity

But it reeks of shit stirring in the first instance

Scott could have checked his response a little (more sensationalism), but it sure will be interesting to hear Slashs version of events

inevitably he will be asked the question at some point "did you go to Axls house?"

Yeah, it was definitely "shit stirring". But I dont think it had as much to do with VR. It was more of a slap in the face to Slash. But since the comments did include mentions of VR, it had a slightly different effect.

Yeah, Weiland should have toned down the insults.

Yeah, it could definitely be a publicity stunt, especially if CD is on the launch pad. Maybe Axl wants to antagonize some people he considers enemies, then blow them all away with a CD release.

Should have just slapped Slash's face.  He has envolved the whole focking band except Dave (cause he doesn't know who dave is).  He Slapped the bands face when saying their guitarist said all that shit behind their backs.

[Smoking Guns]

Not to knock VR.... but anytime you're talking about a super-group.... you're basically dealing with a corporate enterprise.... a money making scheme... which isn't to say that great music and performances aren't possible... or that they can't be tight with each other or whatever... but at the end of the day.... as long as there's still good money to be made (and there is plenty still out there for VR)... I think all members are inclined to bite their tongue and do their best to tolerate each other.... but it will never have that "gang" or "family" feel that the original GN'R had... or whatever the vibe was with STP.

Also, the fact is... I just know that Weiland was the type of guy 10 years ago that was wearing his cardigan sweater, smoking a cig and sitting in a cafe with his alterna-friends bitching/laughing about how bloated, pompous and pathetic Guns N' Roses was... now he's in a band with 3/6's of that line-up.... of course there's going to be friction... ?even in the best of times.

Some would say nu GNR is more of a "supegroup" since they are all hired guns.  Atleast there was a previous chemistry between Matt, Duff, and Slash.  Man, i sound like Mike tonight.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

You can't be a supergroup with only one star.

[da_pope]

Id bet my hair that Duff would kill Slash or Axl in a fight with relative ease.

Are you kidding!?
Slash is got fucking buff!
Did you not see him in any recent pics?

[Smoking Guns]

You can't be a supergroup with only one star.

You are correct, but when he had Buckethead, Brain, Stinson, and those guys, they were more then just a garage band and Axl.  But i agree none of those guys are as big as the ones in VR except Axl.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

When Axl was getting his current group together, he was going on talent and chemistry.  He didn't make a move to go after "name" guys.  I think that is a much more organic way of building a band than the way VR did it.

I think Sebastion Bach was actually a better fit for VR, but they knew Weiland would mean more success, so they went with him.  I think Weiland is better overall than Baz, dont get me wrong, but VR would have musically worked better with Baz.

[jameslofton29]

Greta Van Jarmo, ?

You should refrain from insulting someone like that, especially because he is the guy that created this forum. Show a little fucking respect. He probably doesnt watch Fox News so he wont get your "joke".

Besides, what in the hell does Jarmo have in common with Greta Van Susteren??

James, your final sentence would be better if you did not that GNR doesn't have a song that rocks as hard (or rocks period for that matter) as Slither. ?I love the nusongs, but am not ready to consider this a slam dunk. ?Right now CITR and TWAT are already running together. ?If there isn't a true balance of Rock songs, this thing will tank fast. ?I like what I hear so far. ?But when I want to rock, VR is better for now.

Gimme a fucking break. Axl's new stuff is light years ahead of anything VR has done, and you know it. As far as "rocking hard", the heavy part of Better is also light years ahead of any VR rock.

Masterpieces dont "tank fast".

[The Dog]

Greta Van Jarmo, 

You should refrain from insulting someone like that, especially because he is the guy that created this forum. Show a little fucking respect. He probably doesnt watch Fox News so he wont get your "joke".

Besides, what in the hell does Jarmo have in common with Great Van Susteren??

James, your final sentence would be better if you did not that GNR doesn't have a song that rocks as hard (or rocks period for that matter) as Slither.  I love the nusongs, but am not ready to consider this a slam dunk.  Right now CITR and TWAT are already running together.  If there isn't a true balance of Rock songs, this thing will tank fast.  I like what I hear so far.  But when I want to rock, VR is better for now.

Gimme a fucking break. Axl's new stuff is light years ahead of anything VR has done, and you know it. As far as "rocking hard", the heavy part of Better is also light years ahead of any VR rock.

Masterpieces dont "tank fast".

The rocking part of Better is pretty good, but it doesn't sum up the whole song.  I think that other dude was right, as of RIGHT now, Slither is a better kick ass/rocking tune then any of the leaks right now.  Musically and lyrically, the new stuff destroys VR, but if you're looking to get fired up, Slither is still tops right now.....I am really hoping to hear some mind blowing rockers from Axl.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Guys, VR's debut is standard riff rock.  Its nice to listen to, but it doesn't break any new ground.  Also, I think Better has 2 riffs that are better than anything besides Slither's main one on Contraband.  Thats just one damn song.

I am not writing VR off, but I was disapointed in both lazy riffs and Weiland's weak vocal melodies.  What happened to Weiland's melodies from the STP days?

[The Dog]

Guys, VR's debut is standard riff rock.  Its nice to listen to, but it doesn't break any new ground.  Also, I think Better has 2 riffs that are better than anything besides Slither's main one on Contraband.  Thats just one damn song.

I am not writing VR off, but I was disapointed in both lazy riffs and Weiland's weak vocal melodies.  What happened to Weiland's melodies from the STP days?

I couldn't agree with you more about VR as a whole...its uninspired, boring and Slash's worst work to date.  A GIGANTIC disappointment as I am a pretty decent STP fan and of course a GIANT gnr fan.  But Slither is the lone exception, Slash actually sounds like Slash and its got a great hook.  If you want to nit pick bits and pieces of songs and make comparisons, sorry, thats just a bit silly for my tastes.  I'm just talking about hanging out with your buds, sucking down some beers and getting pumped up....slither kicks ass next to the leaks.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but Contraband had the worst production (yes even worse than the Illusions) for any album from GnR members.  The already average riffs are turned into "sludge" with that production.  That better be addressed on the next album.  Somebody call Mike Clink for God sakes.

[Booker Floyd]

You should have some evidence that Axl had that plan. It's your opinion, nothing more.

Remember, my post was in response to Daves post...the one in which he said Axls plan was working...which was then met with "Axl should moonlight as a political strategist." 

You think he had a plan and you posted that it didn't work out because Scott joined Camp Freddy. The way I see it, that was your evidence. I pointed out that even if bands play together it doesn't it mean there's no friction. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't really prove that much.

You missed the point, as usual.  It was others in this thread praising Axls "plan" - my post was in direct response to theirs. 

We heard Scott and Matt hanging out on the radio...now if theres friction between them, do you believe they would hang around each other when they dont have to, whether its on the radio or in another band?  If so, explain your logic.

You have no proof that Axl had any plan to cause friction in VR.

Ive addressed this. 

While I wouldnt say it was a plan per se, I do have my own guess as to Axls intentions..it seems very clear to me.  But Ive put the challenge out to others, so maybe youll step up: What purpose do you believe the alleged Slash comments about VR had?  Explain to me the relevance Slashs "hatred" for Matt has to Axls lawsuit.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Book, I think most people think that something happened behind the scenes to set the red head off.  He held onto this info for several months without saying a word.

I don't think it was a plan to break up VR per say, just a big fuck off directed at Slash.  And if it does break up VR, well I think Axl won't give a shit one way or another.

[jameslofton29]

Explain to me the relevance Slashs "hatred" for Matt has to Axls lawsuit.

I've asked a similar question in a couple different threads dealing with this topic, and no one even attempts to answer it.

[The Dog]

Book, I think most people think that something happened behind the scenes to set the red head off.  He held onto this info for several months without saying a word.

I don't think it was a plan to break up VR per say, just a big fuck off directed at Slash.  And if it does break up VR, well I think Axl won't give a shit one way or another.

I agree....Axls comments aren't putting down ANYONE else but Slash (the 5am paragraph I am talking about now) he basically is saying Slash is a complete scum bag who has a lot of shitty things to say about his friends/bandmates.  I TOTALLY think something happend behind the scenes - and we'll prob never know the entire truth.  But everyone wants to focus on the comments instead of WHY were the comments made in the first place. 

[jabba2]

In a way Duff responded exactly how Axl wanted him to respond, so its disapointing. And the old band to this day wont confront Axl verbally. But Slash and Duff do have a big lawsuit coming up in May. Their lawyers could have advised them to keep quiet, but Slash needs to get something out there. not just lawyer talk.

[jameslofton29]

Slash needs to get something out there. not just lawyer talk.

Thats hilarious. Slash isn't the one using lawyers to do all his talking.

[electricmage]

I don't agree with showing up late,or not showing up to shows at all.
But I still support the guy.
Slash should have something to say. And I hope it's not some immature shit like what Scott spewed. Some are giving Duff shit for talking,but saying nothing. You do know it he was probably asked about it?

Scott did the same thing with STP (tons of cancelled shows) and same with VR. A lot of shows were cancelled due to scott being high.

You are a fucking liar and you know it. You honestly should not be saying shitm when it omes into your crazy mind. What is the point of lying, and pissing people off with your lies? Have you ever had anything truthful or intelligent to say here?