Axl - Legal Press Release

[Naupis]

Axl regrets having to spend time and energy on these distractions but he has a responsibility to protect the Guns N? Roses legacy

I wish Axl was as interested in protecting Guns Legacy by releasing outstanding albums as he is litigating it. I guess when you have no desire to release an album though it is easier to dive into this stuff so at least you have an excuse when the questions fly about why we still have no music to listen to.

[PittsburghGunner]

Do anyone know what happens to attorneys that post lies in press releases to the world?

the official press release doesn't have the bullshit drama in it. That was added later for forum fan consumption. news services dont "self edit" press releases like that. If they did, they would be out of the business fairly quickly.

I am w/ JamesLoften on this - one of the most sensible posts in this thread. ?News services do not edit press releases so they are tailored to their liking - that's not their job. ?The "full version" of the press release is interesting. ?That extra paragraph is right at the end of the statement and does not fit with the rest of language of the press release. ?In addition, I find it interesting the "full" version comes from Mystereon - someone who is highly regarded on HTGTH.

Something does not add up - then again, nothing ever has with Gn'R. ?

[madagas]

Naupis, last time I checked, Slash and Duff filed two lawsuits against Axl. What the fuck are you talking about? Axl is filing a counterclaim which is his right. Axl didn't start this shit.

[Dont Try Me]

Axl regrets having to spend time and energy on these distractions but he has a responsibility to protect the Guns N? Roses legacy

I wish Axl was as interested in protecting Guns Legacy by releasing outstanding albums as he is litigating it. I guess when you have no desire to release an album though it is easier to dive into this stuff so at least you have an excuse when the questions fly about why we still have no music to listen to.

haha, your funny, axl obviously has two albums worth of material. Some demo's leaked remember? He just chooses to work on it longer so that when he releases it (one day..........far faaaaar away) we can enjoy it the way he meaned. Not because we desperately want to listen to it.

[alternativemonkey]

There is nobody that can piss away positive press better than Axl!

GH spends 100 weeks on the billboard charts . . . ?Axl sued to stop it . . .
Fans are abuzz about how good IRS is and it actually charts on radio playlists . . . Axl threatens suit to stop it.
Axl gets all kinds of press, great leaks, tour rolls out . . . ?Axl threatens to sue his friends that "betrayed" him.

[The Dog]

Do anyone know what happens to attorneys that post lies in press releases to the world?

the official press release doesn't have the bullshit drama in it. That was added later for forum fan consumption. news services dont "self edit" press releases like that. If they did, they would be out of the business fairly quickly.

I am w/ JamesLoften on this - one of the most sensible posts in this thread.  News services do not edit press releases so they are tailored to their liking - that's not their job.  The "full version" of the press release is interesting.  That extra paragraph is right at the end of the statement and does not fit with the rest of language of the press release.  In addition, I find it interesting the "full" version comes from Mystereon - someone who is highly regarded on HTGTH.

Something does not add up - then again, nothing ever has with Gn'R.   

I agree, if the "full" release is the ONLY release that was put out there, any sensible news media is going to AT LEAST mention the last paragraph to some degree.  Seems highly unlikely that they would do otherwise.   

Oh and Pittsburgh Gunner...LETS GO BUCS!!! 

[killingvector]

How was it made available to the press?  These things usually leak out through sources such as the Smokinggun.com, but I imagine you have something upon which to base that assertion.

leaked, made available....what's the difference? Yes, the smokinggun brief is exactly to what I am referring. Every major news organization picked up the story.

So when you said "Slash and Duff have made statements through their attorney; this is Axl's response," you really meant "Slash and Duff have made a statement through their attorney; this is Axls second response through his attorney"?  Just to be clear...youre acting as if poor Axl is finally standing up for himself when this would in fact be his second "response."

Weitzman made a statement which explained what occurred; there was an error at ASCAP and all S&D had to do was check it out themselves. As far as I remember, he didn't characterize S&D  at all. S&D's attorney read a statement which followed the second filing that characterized Axl. Today was Axl's response through Weitzman to both the original lawsuit and his characterization by S&D that he 'knowingly' redirected S&D monies into his own account.

[Sterlingdog]

this is the only one i can find with any comment by slash or duff's lawyers aside from their legal brief:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1437

"When the ASCAP check didn't come, we called and they looked into it," McKagan's lawyer, Glen Miskel, said. "We didn't know all the facts at first."

where does it say "theif" and "defrauder"

I couldn't find what I was looking for, but I found this one:

Its from MTV news, posted on this site:



Though the Sanctuary deal was reported on by the press, Slash and Duff claim they weren't aware of the scope of Rose's dealings ? which they say he "omitted and concealed" ? until their expected royalty payments for the first quarter of 2005 didn't arrive in the mail. "When the ASCAP check didn't come, we called and they looked into it," McKagan's lawyer, Glen Miskel, said. "We didn't know all the facts at first."

Miskel said that only last week did they discover that Rose had notified ASCAP on or around May 26 that he was switching over the publishing from Guns N' Roses to Black Frog Music Publishing (which he owns) and Kobalt Songs Music Publishing (which is a joint venture with and handles the administration of Sanctuary's publishing). Consequently, the ASCAP check for the first quarter of 2005 ? some $92,000 ? went to Rose and "his accomplices" instead, the lawsuit contends.

"Rose's actions were malicious, fraudulent and oppressive, and undertaken in conscious disregard of [Slash and Duff's] property rights," the lawsuit reads. They're seeking damages for fraud, copyright infringement and breach of fiduciary duty, among other things.

[killingvector]

this is the only one i can find with any comment by slash or duff's lawyers aside from their legal brief:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1437

"When the ASCAP check didn't come, we called and they looked into it," McKagan's lawyer, Glen Miskel, said. "We didn't know all the facts at first."

where does it say "theif" and "defrauder"

"Rose's actions were malicious, fraudulent and oppressive, and undertaken in conscious disregard of [Slash and Duff's] property rights," the lawsuit reads. They're seeking damages for fraud, copyright infringement and breach of fiduciary duty, among other things.

He accused Axl of committing fraud, which is a felony. As Eva pointed out, there is now grounds for a countersuit since Axl was publicly accused of committing a crime that he was never charged.

I don't see 'thief' either; I stand corrected on that point but it was very obvious from the full statement that S&D were accusing Axl of re-directing their royalties into his bank account.

[Death Cube K]

Didnt Axl say he talked to Izzy lately?

Maybe they have messed up and thought Slash was Izzy?

[supaplex]

rant

i think all of you are missing the big picture. "omg look what slash did" "omg look at what axl is saying". everybody thinks that the slash incident is just for the fan base. or you think that maybe this press release will bring more publicity to the band. people, nobody gives a shit about gnr right now besides us fools that are waiting for 10 years (some more some less) to hear some new shit.
everything is just to take our minds off cd. this week is the slash incident, last week were the leaks, the week before were the cars axl bought. maybe next week we'll see pictures of axl walking his dog in las vegas.
nobody gives a shit about the fan base now just like they never did. "who, the fans, oh they can wait just like they did till now", and probably we will but it comes a day when you just want to say fuck it. probably tomorrow i'll be here hoping for a cd related press release, but for now i think this whole thing is just fucked up.

end of rant

sorry but i had to get that out!

[Grouse]

haha well that press release gave me a good laugh, ?.....all we need is Pro Axl propaganda ?

I'm sure as hell not gonna buy CD after this statement grow up Axl, Woohoo let the Downloading of CD begin

[Booker Floyd]

leaked, made available....what's the difference? Yes, the smokinggun brief is exactly to what I am referring. Every major news organization picked up the story.

So are you implying that Slash and Duff intentionally "made available" the brief or not? 

Weitzman made a statement which explained what occurred; there was an error at ASCAP and all S&D had to do was check it out themselves. As far as I remember, he didn't characterize S&D  at all.

Selective memory I guess?

From the statement:

"Slash and Duff have an unfortunate pattern over the past few years of filing sensational but baseless lawsuits for the purpose of generating anti-Axl propaganda. It is clear that Slash and Duff are looking for another opportunity to spread untruths about Axl in an effort to hurt his reputation and to alienate his fans while at the same time creating a profile for themselves.

"Contrary to allegations in the lawsuit, Axl has never denied that others made substantial contributions towards the success of Guns N' Roses, but there is little doubt as to who was the creative catalyst behind the group's success."

S&D's attorney read a statement which followed the second filing that characterized Axl. Today was Axl's response through Weitzman to both the original lawsuit and his characterization by S&D that he was a thief.

Like I said, if you could point me to this attorney reading Id appreciate it because Im having a hard time finding it.

[AxlGunner]

this is the only one i can find with any comment by slash or duff's lawyers aside from their legal brief:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1437

"When the ASCAP check didn't come, we called and they looked into it," McKagan's lawyer, Glen Miskel, said. "We didn't know all the facts at first."

where does it say "theif" and "defrauder"

I couldn't find what I was looking for, but I found this one:

Its from MTV news, posted on this site:



Though the Sanctuary deal was reported on by the press, Slash and Duff claim they weren't aware of the scope of Rose's dealings ? which they say he "omitted and concealed" ? until their expected royalty payments for the first quarter of 2005 didn't arrive in the mail. "When the ASCAP check didn't come, we called and they looked into it," McKagan's lawyer, Glen Miskel, said. "We didn't know all the facts at first."

Miskel said that only last week did they discover that Rose had notified ASCAP on or around May 26 that he was switching over the publishing from Guns N' Roses to Black Frog Music Publishing (which he owns) and Kobalt Songs Music Publishing (which is a joint venture with and handles the administration of Sanctuary's publishing). Consequently, the ASCAP check for the first quarter of 2005 ? some $92,000 ? went to Rose and "his accomplices" instead, the lawsuit contends.

"Rose's actions were malicious, fraudulent and oppressive, and undertaken in conscious disregard of [Slash and Duff's] property rights," the lawsuit reads. They're seeking damages for fraud, copyright infringement and breach of fiduciary duty, among other things.

yea, that was from a legal filing that the court received.

it wasn't from an attention-getting press release written by their lawyers- it was an actual legal document.

i think there's a difference, but some may disagree...

oh well, this whole thing is stupid.

[shaun]

Maybe the extra paragraph was added as a joke for whatever reason. Maybe the extra paragraph is true but not relevant to the case while it was on going (Courts of law frown on clowns). The exta bit was added for the outside world to read once the case was over with. If it is true, there is not too much anybody can do about it.

[Naupis]

Naupis, last time I checked, Slash and Duff filed two lawsuits against Axl. What the fuck are you talking about? Axl is filing a counterclaim which is his right. Axl didn't start this shit.

I know that, I was pointing more to the fact I think Axl actually enjoys the litigation process. Whether he is filing suit or responding to a suit.

My point was I wish he was as interested in recording and releasing music as he was in diving into the litigation process.

It's not like the 2 S/D suits are the only matters of litigation he has been involved in over the last 10 years. He has been plenty active in his own right suing others and going to court.

[shaun]

Naupis, last time I checked, Slash and Duff filed two lawsuits against Axl. What the fuck are you talking about? Axl is filing a counterclaim which is his right. Axl didn't start this shit.

I know that, I was pointing more to the fact I think Axl actually enjoys the litigation process. Whether he is filing suit or responding to a suit.

My point was I wish he was as interested in recording and releasing music as he was in diving into the litigation process.

It's not like the 2 S/D suits are the only matters of litigation he has been involved in over the last 10 years. He has been plenty active in his own right suing others and going to court.

*enjoys* doubt it 

[Naupis]

*enjoys* doubt it 

Well, given that he has filed more lawsuits (both personal and business) over the last 10 years than he has released albums tends to support that idea. That is especially strange given his chosen profession is that of a musician and not an attorney.

[Eazy E]

Axl regrets having to spend time and energy on these distractions but he has a responsibility to protect the Guns N? Roses legacy

I wish Axl was as interested in protecting Guns Legacy by releasing outstanding albums as he is litigating it. I guess when you have no desire to release an album though it is easier to dive into this stuff so at least you have an excuse when the questions fly about why we still have no music to listen to.

haha, your funny, axl obviously has two albums worth of material. Some demo's leaked remember? He just chooses to work on it longer so that when he releases it (one day..........far faaaaar away) we can enjoy it the way he meaned. Not because we desperately want to listen to it.

Exactly, as is explained in the press release:

He has fought to avoid the release of material that does not live up to the highest of standards demanded by the band?s history and it?s followers.

^ That's referring to us, and he is making sure we don't get an album where everyone's reponse is "Axl's been working on THIS?"

[shaun]

*enjoys* doubt it 

Well, given that he has filed more lawsuits (both personal and business) over the last 10 years than he has released albums tends to support that idea. That is especially strange given his chosen profession is that of a musician and not an attorney.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves