"Better Instrumental" - Discussions

[kyrie]

What he said to you doesn't concern me; he has publically stated that he did not remember what was on the CD. There's a very good chance the answer you got from Trunk was not 100%.

Again, I don't need to email him.

"It was almost two years ago, so I don't remember that much. It sounded kind of like G&R with a modern edge. Same direction as Oh My God."

That easily describes Better. And this is a guy who might have had one chance to listen to it, possibly scanning through the tracks.

Trunk's CD had 4 songs and 4 instrumentals. Isn't it funny how we now have 4 songs... and the next leak is an instrumental?

When I see a fifth song, I'll be will to believe there's another source. Until then, everything is playing to form.

I think "No, it wasn't" is a pretty categorical answer, don't you?  Considering he'd heard the new leak? Not "I'm not sure". Not "I can't remember". "No, it wasn't".  So, rest assured, it wasn't.

So, in the face of direct categoric evidence to the contrary, from the direct source of the leak, who was actually present and heard the CD, you choose to believe something they say is untrue?

Hey, more power to ya.

But the FACT is...it's not the same source. Period.  Trunk confirmed it.

Believe what you want.

Trunk confirmed what he believes. Trying to claim it's confirmed is BS unless you have the CD. So please don't act as if you've got 100% proof.

You choose to believe Trunk, I choose not to trust the guy's memory from three years ago.

[kyrie]

I thought Trunk only had 3 instrumentals and three songs.....Pilferk, what is your best guess as to where the leaks came from?

The rest of the CD was also cool. It sounded like a total of 3 songs, with instrumental versions of each of the 3, making a total of 6 tracks (I think). The last track, which I did not play, was the best. A great rocker, with tons of shredding guitar from Buckethead. I don't know what the title was, but I kinda wish I had the chance to play that one as well. Mike & I didn't really know what we had, so we just played the first track IRS.

"It sounded like a total of 3 songs" - even here Trunk isn't sure. Until we see another leak, I'm not at all convinced we have anything not on Trunk's disc.

[McDuff]

Man,I like Bucketheads parts on this song,I couldn't hear the solo as good as I can on this version,maybe it's just my hearing,I dunno

[Elle]

i think I must have missed something!!! didn't realise it had leaked! 

I love the song, not sure why they have instrumentals on cds though?!

was the quality like the other leaks??

[NickNasty]

At this point what does the source matter? the fact that someone leaked an instrumental tells me that whatevers out there is limited. i expect we'll probably get instrumentals of TWAT and IRS, but after that the leak well runs dry. hopefully by then we'll have a better idea of when the actual album with its finished tracks is coming out

[Steel_Angel]

1badapple is trying to get the rest. we will have them soon

[TrixAreForKids]

Listening to the instrumental, this song doesn't sound like a demo to me. A lot of production has gone into this song, and it's well done too.

[HungerForChaos]

i hate when you need itunes to play it.. but still pretty good.

I played it on basic Quicktime.

[Voodoochild]

Listening to the instrumental, this song doesn't sound like a demo to me. A lot of production has gone into this song, and it's well done too.

What do you expect from a demo in this century? An old tape with hiss, drum machine, low quality and sloppy guitars like Crash Diet, Sentimental Movie, The Garden..?

[axlsalinger]

Trunk believes a fan aware of Piazza's love for all things rock sent him the CD-R, which also included the instrumental and complete versions of two other songs. So whoever sent Piazza the disc must have obtained it through the studio, he reasoned.

Those Metal Talk guys seemed to "imply" that Piazza made up the story about receiving the disc from an anonymous source to protect his real source - a guitarist who goes by the name of Zakk Wylde. So who knows .. just another theory.

As for the "Better" instrumental, it sounds fantastic! Although it is certainly improved with Axl's vocals, you can really listen to and appreciate the guitar work and the intricate detail. There is no reason to believe that this song has not changed since this was recorded, thus making it a "demo", but it is clearly an attempt at a finished version and a lot of work has been done here. This is not just some first take ...

[Fortus]

I can't hear the song...cause I can't open

[Steel_Angel]

where was the "Better instru" posted first? (i shouldnt have slept early )

[1badapple]

1badapple is trying to get the rest. we will have them soon

TRYING is the key word there, so please don't jump down my throat if i don't get them. i said from the very start that i wasn't promising anything. I'm still waiting on "the source" to get back to me. 

i want to make it clear that i have no contacts or sources within or near the GnR camp. i don't want anyone thinking that i'm trying to come off as important or something, but the person who asked me if i wanted this made me promise not to mention him because he's already had to deal with GnR's management. i don't want to get anybody sued. Besides, if i give him up, he definately won't be giving me the other instrumentals

this was just basically a case of luck. someone i had talked with a few weeks back got a hold of me and asked me if i would be interested in any of the 3 instrumentals. of course i said yes. i was asked which 1 i wanted first. now personally, i wanted TWAT, but i thought i should go with what i felt the majority of you would want and it's quite apparent to me that overall "better" is the majority's fav, so that's what i chose. now, i get to play the waiting game and see if he gets me the other 2 instrumentals ( IRS & TWAT). I've been told by this person that this IS all that is left and i believe him.

[BLS-Pride]

Good to know. Thanks and keep us posted.

[1badapple]

where was the "Better instru" posted first? (i shouldnt have slept early )

it was leaked here first-approx 7 minutes after i got it ( i had to give it a listen first   ).
i never posted any links, i just started a topic something like "Better instrumental has leaked" knowing that within seconds PM hell would begin. i answered a few of the pm's, then went over to your site 

[kyrie]

1badapple is trying to get the rest. we will have them soon

TRYING is the key word there, so please don't jump down my throat if i don't get them. i said from the very start that i wasn't promising anything. I'm still waiting on "the source" to get back to me.?

i want to make it clear that i have no contacts or sources within or near the GnR camp. i don't want anyone thinking that i'm trying to come off as important or something, but the person who asked me if i wanted this made me promise not to mention him because he's already had to deal with GnR's management. i don't want to get anybody sued. Besides, if i give him up, he definately won't be giving me the other instrumentals

this was just basically a case of luck. someone i had talked with a few weeks back got a hold of me and asked me if i would be interested in any of the 3 instrumentals. of course i said yes. i was asked which 1 i wanted first. now personally, i wanted TWAT, but i thought i should go with what i felt the majority of you would want and it's quite apparent to me that overall "better" is the majority's fav, so that's what i chose. now, i get to play the waiting game and see if he gets me the other 2 instrumentals ( IRS & TWAT). I've been told by this person that this IS all that is left and i believe him.

Hey man, kudos for doing it RIGHT.

I wouldn't be shocked if those instrumentals are all that's left... which pretty much means there's just the one source CD.

[Steel_Angel]

where was the "Better instru" posted first? (i shouldnt have slept early )

then went over to your site?

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i feel special 
thanx for the info

[mega_music]

Man,I like Bucketheads parts on this song,I couldn't hear the solo as good as I can on this version,maybe it's just my hearing,I dunno

I love the riff parts that remind me of a machine gun! This song is going to be a masterpiece once we hear the final mix.

[ARC]

For those few who say these recent leaks are not demo's, I think the "Better" instrumental proves they are.

"Better" is not the kind of song you would have an instrumental of included on the single.

Axl is probably using the instrumental to try various different vocal takes on, of which we already have one. Yeah, so this almost proves they are demo's, which is great because the final version of this song is going to rock.

[Throatrake]

Man,I like Bucketheads parts on this song,I couldn't hear the solo as good as I can on this version,maybe it's just my hearing,I dunno

I agree. I think Buckethead is so important to this cd. He is just so fuckin good. I love what he put into this song.