For the people claiming the new gnr songs dont have good solos or they are bland

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Please answer me this. You claim they need slashs touch , a lot of you have alluded to this well answer this simple question. You can claim the demos so far dont have the classic gnr solos or riffs and that it needs slashs touch but the VR songs dont have classic gnr riffs or solos and those solos are very bland and guess what? Slash wrote them. So if slash cant even write a good riff or solo for VR then how would he do it for Axls new songs which are songs he did not want to work on in the first place and one of the reasons he quite the band? Answer that simple question.

[-Jack-]

Loaded question Dave.

You don't need to take up board space with this and you should know. But.. too late. Here comes 6 pages of nothing

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Loaded question Dave.

You don't need to take up board space with this and you should know. But.. too late. Here comes 6 pages of nothing

Its a very fair question.

[BLS-Pride]

Why must you continue to drive the nail in the same old coffin? You are making yourself look like a fool.

[-Jack-]

Loaded question Dave.

You don't need to take up board space with this and you should know. But.. too late. Here comes 6 pages of nothing

Its a very fair question.

Its a fair question but one that won't give you the answer you want. If you really wanted to discuss you should have posted in Dead Horse

[metallex78]

Gee, you got us there Dave...

Weren't you the one that said Axl pushed Slash to get the best out of him?

Well seeing as Axl wasn't around for VR's album to push Slash, that's why it's "bland" as you put it.
So maybe if Slash was on these new GN'R songs, Axl would be pushing Slash to put something great on there.

Does that answer your question?

Btw, I think the new GNR songs sound pretty damn good, regardless of whether Slash is on there or not. I love the guitar solos on TWAT.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Why must you continue to drive the nail in the same old coffin? You are making yourself look like a fool.

Because no one that claims the solos arent good have not answered the simple question.

[-Jack-]

Why must you continue to drive the nail in the same old coffin? You are making yourself look like a fool.

Because no one that claims the solos arent good have not answered the simple question.

  What?

Dave look.. you shoulda/coulda put this in Dead Horse and nobody would be complaining. It was a loaded, dead question from the start.

This isn't personal, and I like you man.. so.. im just tellin ya.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Gee, you got us there Dave...

Weren't you the one that said Axl pushed Slash to get the best out of him?

Well seeing as Axl wasn't around for VR's album to push Slash, that's why it's "bland" as you put it.
So maybe if Slash was on these new GN'R songs, Axl would be pushing Slash to put something great on there.

Does that answer your question?

Btw, I think the new GNR songs sound pretty damn good, regardless of whether Slash is on there or not. I love the guitar solos on TWAT.

Slash did not want to work on these kind of songs so his heart would not be into making the songs. So how could Axl get anything out of him? Axl tried to get slash to work on the snake pit songs but slash refused and took them as is and used them for snake pit.

Slash would have brought the songs he used for VR and Axl would have tried to get slash to make them better and slash would have refused.

As for me saying that axl pulled the best out of slash, those slashs words that i was just reitteratiing.

[BabyGorilla]

The poster above is correct. This is a loaded question because it has the false presupposition that Slash's work with VR is bland.

[Niko]

I LOVE TWAT SOLO

[-Jack-]

Thanks Dave!

Im leaving this thread now.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The poster above is correct. This is a loaded question because it has the false presupposition that Slash's work with VR is bland.

You think Slashs work on VR has any classic gnr solos or riffs to it? They dont. So what is the problem? Certain people claim that the new gnr songs dont have classic gnr solos and riffs well my point was neither does the VR songs. So how could slash write them if he did not for VR? Why cant you answer the question.
You cant name me one VR song that has the guitar work as good as WTTJ, PC, SCOM, estranged or Nov Rain, so the question is very fair.

[Poof!]

The concept of "individual opinion" and "taste" is something that seriously needs to be considered here. You cannot argue taste.

We've got the baseball bats, all we need now is a dead horse.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I hate to say it but it's all a matter of opinion...that's why these threads all end up the same way. ? You are gonna have your Slash fans and your Axl fans....Slash fans want what old GNR sounded like and won't except or admit a really good guitar solo from anyone in new gnr.....Axl fans except with open arms the way Axl keeps evolving with his music and how he doesn't want that old GNR sound. ? As far as riffs like scom or paradise city...I didn't hear anything like that on CB and I like CB. ?JMO. ? ?

[speed_stone]

i agree with dave and i admire him for always telling it like it is despite all the haters.
it's clear that slash needed axl to drive those solos out of him, he has not made one good solo after the last guns release. hence the results would be alot better for him in guns n' roses than in VR, musically, had he not been lazy and told axl he didn't want to "work that hard". and tell me TWAT hasn't got one of the greatest guitar solos ever to surface since the illusions, same with madagascar, CITR and the blues. open your eyes people, do you refuse to see who was the person that really made guns be what it was? besides the earlier guns demos did not have the great production and guitar work the final release had. these are demos, contraband was an officially released album. enough said.

[metallex78]

Gee, you got us there Dave...

Weren't you the one that said Axl pushed Slash to get the best out of him?

Well seeing as Axl wasn't around for VR's album to push Slash, that's why it's "bland" as you put it.
So maybe if Slash was on these new GN'R songs, Axl would be pushing Slash to put something great on there.

Does that answer your question?

Btw, I think the new GNR songs sound pretty damn good, regardless of whether Slash is on there or not. I love the guitar solos on TWAT.

Slash did not want to work on these kind of songs so his heart would not be into making the songs. So how could Axl get anything out of him? Axl tried to get slash to work on the snake pit songs but slash refused and took them as is and used them for snake pit.

Slash would have brought the songs he used for VR and Axl would have tried to get slash to make them better and slash would have refused.

As for me saying that axl pulled the best out of slash, those slashs words that i was just reitteratiing.

Hmmm... I'm not sure where you are going with this.

People have said that nuGN'R solos are bland, but you think that Slash can do no better because you think VR are bland, yet Axl is the key person here who would push Slash to play something great.

Right?

BUT, you think that Slash would still play something bland because he doesn't like the new songs?
Maybe so, but didn't the old band (according to Axl) HATE songs like Patience and Estranged?

Yet, the solos on those songs sound pretty damn good.

I think there's the answer to your question right there.

[WAR41]

and tell me TWAT hasn't got one of the greatest guitar solos ever to surface since the illusions, same with madagascar, CITR and the blues.

ummmm ok..... they dont 

So you do admit that the solos on Appetite and Lies are better than these new solos? 

[GunsLova]

Gee, you got us there Dave...

Weren't you the one that said Axl pushed Slash to get the best out of him?

Well seeing as Axl wasn't around for VR's album to push Slash, that's why it's "bland" as you put it.
So maybe if Slash was on these new GN'R songs, Axl would be pushing Slash to put something great on there.

Does that answer your question?

Btw, I think the new GNR songs sound pretty damn good, regardless of whether Slash is on there or not. I love the guitar solos on TWAT.

Slash did not want to work on these kind of songs so his heart would not be into making the songs. So how could Axl get anything out of him? Axl tried to get slash to work on the snake pit songs but slash refused and took them as is and used them for snake pit.

Slash would have brought the songs he used for VR and Axl would have tried to get slash to make them better and slash would have refused.

As for me saying that axl pulled the best out of slash, those slashs words that i was just reitteratiing.

Hmmm... I'm not sure where you are going with this.

People have said that nuGN'R solos are bland, but you think that Slash can do no better because you think VR are bland, yet Axl is the key person here who would push Slash to play something great.

Right?

BUT, you think that Slash would still play something bland because he doesn't like the new songs?
Maybe so, but didn't the old band (according to Axl) HATE songs like Patience and Estranged?

Yet, the solos on those songs sound pretty damn good.

I think there's the answer to your question right there.

Ok you dont make sense at ALL! lol whats ur point?

What dave is saying is inspite the fac that some of the band members AKA Slash might not have liked working on those songs, As a result of being part of Guns and Proper Motivation, created those works.. P.S. Slash Said he doesnt like the Solos in Estranged & Dont cry because they need alot of Concentration... That's just because he 's pretty much Lazy!

Last but not least, personally as much as I like CB, the Music was not Memorible at all, The Solo's sucked and the lyrics were boring.  I dont listen to it anymore.. but the NEW GNR songs have totally already moved past that point..

[BabyGorilla]

The poster above is correct. This is a loaded question because it has the false presupposition that Slash's work with VR is bland.

You think Slashs work on VR has any classic gnr solos or riffs to it? They dont. So what is the problem? Certain people claim that the new gnr songs dont have classic gnr solos and riffs well my point was neither does the VR songs. So how could slash write them if he did not for VR? Why cant you answer the question

Regardless of my opinion towards Velvet Revolver's music, your argument is still fallacious because you speak upon something so subjective as Slash's solos to be taken as fact.

Also, why do you respond to any criticism towards the new band with criticism towards Velvet Revolver? Can people have a negative opinion about the new GNR songs without you accusing them of having a pro-Slash agenda? You seem to hold Velvet Revolver as a measuring stick for how good the new GNR songs are. To me, if a song is euphonious to my ears than that is the only test needed. To you, you keep a checklist between the nu-GNR songs at Velvet Revolver songs or other mainstream bands to justify your opinion. Why?