Why not America???

[Guns N RockMusic]

Couldn't agree more Pilferk.

[ARC]

Why are people so surprised..?

Didn't Guns play Europe before North America back in 2002...? 

[jarmo]

Something to remember, as well: ?In Europe, there is probably/usually one promoter per country to deal with when you book your show (which isn't to say each country only has one promoter..

As far as I know, many of them are owned by bigger companies.

EMA Telstar in Sweden owns Gunnar Eide Concerts in Norway, DKB/Motor in Denmark and Welldone in Finland.

EMA Telstar is owned by Live Nation.





/jarmo

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Why not America?  Because Europe has all the awesome festivals in the summer.  End of story.

[noonespecial]

"Because Europe has all the awesome festivals in the summer."

true enough...and from a business point of view (IMO), I wouldn't insure him...if he plays a festival there's less of a risk of getting burned because we know the other bands are going to show up...

Is the whole "playing ozzfest" thing a dead horse? I guess so....I really hope he shows up for you guys in Europe, that would be cool!

[Markus Asraelius]

I would love for g'nr to come play in the states but I guess it really just depends on what axl wants to do and where he wants to go.

[kyrie]

"Because Europe has all the awesome festivals in the summer."

true enough...and from a business point of view (IMO), I wouldn't insure him...if he plays a festival there's less of a risk of getting burned because we know the other bands are going to show up...

Is the whole "playing ozzfest" thing a dead horse? I guess so....I really hope he shows up for you guys in Europe, that would be cool!

Someone will insure GNR for North America. Why? Because someone always wants to make a buck. If not CC, then another promoter. CC is simply the largest, but the nature of the business dictates that someone will step in. For every Philly, there's an MSG, for every Boise, there's an Albany, etc. Especially if there's a single/album out to help things along this time.

[Thorazine Shuffle]

"Because Europe has all the awesome festivals in the summer."

true enough...and from a business point of view (IMO), I wouldn't insure him...if he plays a festival there's less of a risk of getting burned because we know the other bands are going to show up...

Is the whole "playing ozzfest" thing a dead horse? I guess so....I really hope he shows up for you guys in Europe, that would be cool!

Someone will insure GNR for North America. Why? Because someone always wants to make a buck. If not CC, then another promoter. CC is simply the largest, but the nature of the business dictates that someone will step in. For every Philly, there's an MSG, for every Boise, there's an Albany, etc. Especially if there's a single/album out to help things along this time.

Agreed.  If Axl shows a good track record in Europe this summer, And have a hit album as well, then Axl will hold all the cards concerning playing the States.

[Crashdiet]

I think GNR should start with a canadian tour...

Sweet

Toronto, then Hamilton, then london, ontario, then ottawa, then Toronto again then windsor

awesome

What about calgary?? or vancouver?? you guys from ontario think you're the only place that matters in canada?

come what about Saskatoon

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I think GNR should start with a canadian tour...

Sweet

Toronto, then Hamilton, then london, ontario, then ottawa, then Toronto again then windsor

awesome

What about calgary?? or vancouver?? you guys from ontario think you're the only place that matters in canada?

come what about Saskatoon

They should play Yellowknife

[Crashdiet]

They have played saskatoon before back in 93 Great Show

Doesn't matter though i'm moving to london England anyway.... pretty good chance i'll catch them there in the next couple years

[pilferk]

As far as I know, many of them are owned by bigger companies.

EMA Telstar in Sweden owns Gunnar Eide Concerts in Norway, DKB/Motor in Denmark and Welldone in Finland.

EMA Telstar is owned by Live Nation.

/jarmo

And still, you'd be dealing with one company, EMA, for those 3 shows (nothing in Norway, yet, right?)....not for 20 or 30.  Which means EMA fronts the capital from their budget ONLY for those 3 shows...much less money in comparison.

And even if you deal with another Live Nation owned company, you're dealing with a seperate contract and seperate budget.

[dub05]

I really dont think gnr playin the festivals in europe & stand alone shows(dublin) has anything got to do with proving they can show up & on time .As stated above another promoter would be more than willing to step in.

The reason is simply axl has learned the lesson of past ...is that if there is no album it's pointless touring in america ....it simply won't work but it will to a certain extent in europe .


All this leads me to wonder WHEN THE HELL DOES HE PLAN TO RELEASE CD.

[pilferk]

I really dont think gnr playin the festivals in europe & stand alone shows(dublin) has anything got to do with proving they can show up & on time .As stated above another promoter would be more than willing to step in.

Not true.? And stating it doesn't MAKE it true.

I've worked in a venue.? I know, and have known, promoters, big and small.? I know the way they operate.

GnR is going to ask for a buttload of money for a US tour, for the band, and for production.? They always do.? That severly limits the number of promoters that can do the job, because they have to have the cash to front.? In addition, GnR is not going to use some fly by night promoter, because they want to make sure that the cash doesn't run out or disappear.? Again, limiting the number of promoters, stateside, they can/will deal with.

Those promoters are big businesses.? They are smart businesses.? They know about risk management....and, given relatively recent history, GnR aren't a great risk.? They didn't draw particularly well on their last tour (and we can debate why elsewhere, though the lack of new material, new band faces, and lack of promotion have all been mentioned before) and they no showed 2 shows and had the whole tour pulled out from under them.? What sane business? is going to want to risk large sums of money on that?

So, now GnR have 2 choices: Accept less money, and probably a much "smaller scope" stateside tour (which is all they could negotiate, if that), to start off OR go over to Europe, make more money and get better production, prove themselves, prove they can draw, and let them get some new material out that might put butts in seats and come back and command the bigger dollars they want/need.

It's all about business.? Sure, not having new material is a big factor, too, but only in the sense that it makes them more or less of a risk to promoters.? But to dismiss the business side, or to believe that there is "someone else waiting in the wings" is not a realistic portrait.

[badapple81]

I think following the 02 US tour.. Axl will go back when the album or single is out. I think he'll do the European shows and festivals as warm ups and promotion before then.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Guns N' Roses fans know that the original lineup brokeup in the mid 90s.? While the name GN'R has name attraction, anyone with an IQ over 40 knows it ain't the same GN'R that was huge 15 years ago.? In my opinion, Axl is going to have to go through the same promotion and touring that VR did to hype themselves up before they went on their big tour this past summer. 2002 prooved that Axl can't fill the seats he used to alone.? If he plays his cards right and gets the attention from successful shows at the festivals in Europe along with a successful cd release, he'll be able to seel out reasonably sized shows, 3-6k in my opinion, on his own.? When he can accomplish that is when promoters will book him for a bigger world tour.  Slash has just as much name recognition as Axl and he had to jump through alot of hoops before VR could book arenas on their own.

[BluesGNR]

fuck europe.. I would write axl a check tomorrow for $500,000 to have him play in my back yard.  If you're reading this post Axl, I'm not joking.

[pilferk]

fuck europe.. I would write axl a check tomorrow for $500,000 to have him play in my back yard.? If you're reading this post Axl, I'm not joking.

LOL.? The question is...would the check bounce?? Just kidding!

How about 500k, plus travel and expenses for the band and their entourage, plus the rider requirements, plus the productions costs (stage rental, lighting, instrument tranportation, soundboard rental or purchase, etc), plus security, plus insurance (for the band, your backyard, the rented equipment, the attendees, etc.), plus relevant permits?? And you may have to give him a cut of any concessions you sell or give away, with a minimum gaurentee.? Ditto on merchandise. Oh, and you have to provide access for a certain number of his people to the show for free.? Add a buttload of other incidental expenses and contractual matters into the equation too...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

fuck europe.. I would write axl a check tomorrow for $500,000 to have him play in my back yard.? If you're reading this post Axl, I'm not joking.

LOL.? The question is...would the check bounce?? Just kidding!

How about 500k, plus travel and expenses for the band and their entourage, plus the rider requirements, plus the productions costs (stage rental, lighting, instrument tranportation, soundboard rental or purchase, etc), plus security, plus insurance (for the band, your backyard, the rented equipment, the attendees, etc.), plus relevant permits?? And you may have to give him a cut of any concessions you sell or give away, with a minimum gaurentee.? Ditto on merchandise. Oh, and you have to provide access for a certain number of his people to the show for free.? Add a buttload of other incidental expenses and contractual matters into the equation too...

what about axl's integrity ? how do you pay for that ?

[Crashdiet]

fuck europe.. I would write axl a check tomorrow for $500,000 to have him play in my back yard.? If you're reading this post Axl, I'm not joking.

LOL.? The question is...would the check bounce?? Just kidding!

How about 500k, plus travel and expenses for the band and their entourage, plus the rider requirements, plus the productions costs (stage rental, lighting, instrument tranportation, soundboard rental or purchase, etc), plus security, plus insurance (for the band, your backyard, the rented equipment, the attendees, etc.), plus relevant permits?? And you may have to give him a cut of any concessions you sell or give away, with a minimum gaurentee.? Ditto on merchandise. Oh, and you have to provide access for a certain number of his people to the show for free.? Add a buttload of other incidental expenses and contractual matters into the equation too...

guess he'd better book an acoustic show then...