There may be trouble ahead!

[-Jack-]

I buy the fact that Slash came. Maybe he really did want to set things straight and it just fell apart. Who knows?

And.. even though alot of people thought the Dizzy interview Madagascar88 gave was fake... if it was real remember that Dizzy said "I shouldn't be tellin you this but they've been trying to get back in"

Or something along those lines.

Who knows?

I just think its dumb to say Axl completly fabricated it... theres at LEAST some truth and in this case its hard to only buy half of it.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

If you dont want to buy "HALF" of it, then you believe that Slash said those words as they are printed? 

I see you left yourself a way out with "who knows?" and "at LEAST some truth" which means you'll buy all of it or some of it depending on your mood.

[speed_stone]

they haven't spoke in ten years and this is what they are talking about at 5:30am??? didn't happen

get real and stop defending slash the drunken liar.
why would axl sink to slash's level and lie?
besides, axl's lawyer wouldn't risk his carreer by lying in a press release.
wake up.

[RichardNixon]

I believe that Slash said those things. Maybe in anger or whatever, but I don't think Axl would just make that up.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I believe that Slash said those things. Maybe in anger or whatever, but I don't think Axl would just make that up.

no problem.  I respectfully disagree as long no one calls me DUMB.


If it turns out that Slash said those things as they are printed, I will be shocked and saddened.  But no more shocked and saddened than I have been by some of Axl's doings.  Yet another disillusion in a long line of disillusions.

[Grouse]

get real and stop defending slash the drunken liar.
why would axl sink to slash's level and lie?
besides, axl's lawyer wouldn't risk his carreer by lying in a press release.
wake up.

  boohoo slash is liar, Axl is perfect boohoohoo?

You Axlites make me wanna puke

[-Jack-]

If you dont want to buy "HALF" of it, then you believe that Slash said those words as they are printed? 

I see you left yourself a way out with "who knows?" and "at LEAST some truth" which means you'll buy all of it or some of it depending on your mood.

Hmm.. maybe his statement wasn't word for word... and yeah i kinda did leave a way out eh? 

All I was really saying is that some of the "Axl is a damn faggot liar, he just talks bs" people should take a reality check..

[Butch Français]

they haven't spoke in ten years and this is what they are talking about at 5:30am??  didn't happen

get real and stop defending slash the drunken liar.
why would axl sink to slash's level and lie?
besides, axl's lawyer wouldn't risk his carreer by lying in a press release.
wake up.

Axl is the one taking a risk here, his lawyer simply does what his client wants him to do. his career is not at stake at all..

[speed_stone]

get real and stop defending slash the drunken liar.
why would axl sink to slash's level and lie?
besides, axl's lawyer wouldn't risk his carreer by lying in a press release.
wake up.

  boohoo slash is liar, Axl is perfect boohoohoo?

You Axlites make me wanna puke

no, your mom's ass makes me wanna puke.
"slashlite".
i support whoever i feel is right. loser.

[D]

Thing Is GunnerdownUnder, I keep shit real on here.

Axl is my all time favorite but I am not a loyalist who defends everything about him and shits on Slash like he is some third rate nothing fuckin guitarist.

I dont care what Slash does there are people who claim he sucks etc.

I have a news flash:

Suckertrain Blues kicks fuckin ass
Fall To Pieces kicks fuckin ass
You Got No Right, Lovin The Alien kick fuckin ass
Slither,Headspace,Do It For The Kids kick fuckin ass


there isnt any guitar playing on the demos that comes even close to Slash.

People hear those demos and say the TWAT solo is as good as NR or Estranged.

to me that is just fucking insane for someone to say that.

I just hate how people overrate everything Axl does but then they treat Slash like some third rate nothing musician.

Those Demos are great songs but u throw Slash's guitar on them and they are on the radio 20 years from now.

Right now they are good songs but none of em are classics or masterpieces.

Axl's parts are masterpiece, lyrically, melodically, vocally but the guitar playing is pretty mediocre.

the solos are nothing special.

[badapple81]

I guess it's personal opinion D. I guess I kinda understand why tomass and mike get frustrated now because I've been a bit of a dick and called them Axl-haters etc. (  ) but just because my personal taste is that these demos are better, you think I am a loyalist with my head up Axl's ass.

And I have never said that Slash is a third rate guitarist. His work with GN'R is first class and amazing. I just think Better kicks more ass and is better than anything off Contraband. My personal taste.

I don't agree that all those songs kick ass, I love Suckertrain, DIFTK and Dirty Little Thing and they certainly are kick ass rock tunes.. but my opinion and taste is more towards the sound Axl has, especially on Better and TWAT.

My opinion is that Axl doesn't have much to be jealous of with Contraband when he is producing songs like Better, so I was countering your claim that this statement was because Axl was jealous.

I rest my case and will agree to disagree    Now go get your head out of Jon's ass   

[kaasupoltin]

get real and stop defending slash the drunken liar.
why would axl sink to slash's level and lie?
besides, axl's lawyer wouldn't risk his carreer by lying in a press release.
wake up.

  boohoo slash is liar, Axl is perfect boohoohoo?

You Axlites make me wanna puke

no, your mom's ass makes me wanna puke.
"slashlite".
i support whoever i feel is right. loser.

Speed_Stone, you're an idiot.

But what comes to this press release, I just dont Buy it. Simple as that.

[Origen]

Maybe that happened in Axl World, but it didn't happen in reality 


I'm not worried about VR over this cause I think the part about Slash going to his house and saying Duff is Spineless etc.. is bullshit.

And the whole article makes Axl out to be some innocent victim  I don't think so.

[badapple81]

Maybe that happened in Axl World, but it didn't happen in reality?


I'm not worried about VR over this cause I think the part about Slash going to his house and saying Duff is Spineless etc.. is bullshit.

And the whole article makes Axl out to be some innocent victim? I don't think so.

Well it takes two to tango.

The whole thing is very weird and I was shocked when I read that press release so I can understand why everyone inc. both GNR and VR fans are just confused and taking sides.

Thing is none of us know for certain. So I'll keep an open mind until we hear anything else.

I just think that this is such an extraordinary claim to make that Axl couldn't possibly make it knowing the implications and lawsuits he'd get if it wasn't true. I'm not saying it is true, just that it is a massive claim to come out with. Guess everything will come out in court huh.

[D]

I guess it's personal opinion D. I guess I kinda understand why tomass and mike get frustrated now because I've been a bit of a dick and called them Axl-haters etc. (? ) but just because my personal taste is that these demos are better, you think I am a loyalist with my head up Axl's ass.

And I have never said that Slash is a third rate guitarist. His work with GN'R is first class and amazing. I just think Better kicks more ass and is better than anything off Contraband. My personal taste.

I don't agree that all those songs kick ass, I love Suckertrain, DIFTK and Dirty Little Thing and they certainly are kick ass rock tunes.. but my opinion and taste is more towards the sound Axl has, especially on Better and TWAT.

My opinion is that Axl doesn't have much to be jealous of with Contraband when he is producing songs like Better, so I was countering your claim that this statement was because Axl was jealous.

I rest my case and will agree to disagree? ? Now go get your head out of Jon's ass? ?

Here is where the miscommunication is happening.

I am not comparing the demos to VR or Snakepit or anything cause those arent relevant to the discussion.

I am comparing them to Guns N Roses songs.

The band is Guns N Roses therefore u have to go back to every GNR song for a comparison.

VR are a totally different style than GNR so Slash has curved his guitar playing to fit into this newer modern flavored style.

but if u compare the guitar playing to Slash's GNR playing there to me is no comparison at all.

Has there been a riff that even comes close to SCOM,Mr Brownstone,PC,WTTJ,Civil War,YCBM,RQ, or even My Michelle?

Has there been any guitar licks,solos or anything even close to SCOM,PC,Wttj,NR,Dont Cry,Estranged,Knockin ON heaven's door,Dont Damn Me,Coma,The Garden?

Im not even talkin bout the song as a whole cause yeah the lyrics,melodies,vocals and emotion on Better and There Was A time are as good as VR.

Im gonna tell u though Lovin The Alien gives these songs a run for their money and CB is kinda wore out but CB was damn great album.

I am talkin strictly about guitar playing.

Axl's parts on amazing and brilliant, but go back and listen to the solos and riffs on these demos. The solos arent memorable, arent very emotional and are somewhat medicore.

Listen to There Was A Time's solo and then put on SCOM or NR or Estranged and then give an honest opinion cause to me *quoting Pulp Fiction* Twat's solo isnt in the same ballpark, the same league, it isnt even in the same damn sport as the above mentioned solos."


Remember I am not a Slash lover and an Axl hater, I love em both and speak the truth as I see it.

I refuse to shit on Slash's accomplishments just to help validate Axl's new guitar players.

[badapple81]

I guess it's personal opinion D. I guess I kinda understand why tomass and mike get frustrated now because I've been a bit of a dick and called them Axl-haters etc. (? ) but just because my personal taste is that these demos are better, you think I am a loyalist with my head up Axl's ass.

And I have never said that Slash is a third rate guitarist. His work with GN'R is first class and amazing. I just think Better kicks more ass and is better than anything off Contraband. My personal taste.

I don't agree that all those songs kick ass, I love Suckertrain, DIFTK and Dirty Little Thing and they certainly are kick ass rock tunes.. but my opinion and taste is more towards the sound Axl has, especially on Better and TWAT.

My opinion is that Axl doesn't have much to be jealous of with Contraband when he is producing songs like Better, so I was countering your claim that this statement was because Axl was jealous.

I rest my case and will agree to disagree? ? Now go get your head out of Jon's ass? ?

Here is where the miscommunication is happening.

I am not comparing the demos to VR or Snakepit or anything cause those arent relevant to the discussion.

I am comparing them to Guns N Roses songs.

The band is Guns N Roses therefore u have to go back to every GNR song for a comparison.

VR are a totally different style than GNR so Slash has curved his guitar playing to fit into this newer modern flavored style.

but if u compare the guitar playing to Slash's GNR playing there to me is no comparison at all.

Has there been a riff that even comes close to SCOM,Mr Brownstone,PC,WTTJ,Civil War,YCBM,RQ, or even My Michelle?

Has there been any guitar licks,solos or anything even close to SCOM,PC,Wttj,NR,Dont Cry,Estranged,Knockin ON heaven's door,Dont Damn Me,Coma,The Garden?

Im not even talkin bout the song as a whole cause yeah the lyrics,melodies,vocals and emotion on Better and There Was A time are as good as VR.

Im gonna tell u though Lovin The Alien gives these songs a run for their money and CB is kinda wore out but CB was damn great album.

I am talkin strictly about guitar playing.

Axl's parts on amazing and brilliant, but go back and listen to the solos and riffs on these demos. The solos arent memorable, arent very emotional and are somewhat medicore.

Listen to There Was A Time's solo and then put on SCOM or NR or Estranged and then give an honest opinion cause to me *quoting Pulp Fiction* Twat's solo isnt in the same ballpark, the same league, it isnt even in the same damn sport as the above mentioned solos."


Remember I am not a Slash lover and an Axl hater, I love em both and speak the truth as I see it.

I refuse to shit on Slash's accomplishments just to help validate Axl's new guitar players.

If Axl said this he is just bein a hater and would seem jealous of VR's success and jealous of the fact that his 3 guitarist cant hold Slash's pick.

Sorry D I'm not trying to be difficult here but here is where the VR comparisons started. I was just replying to the claim that Axl would be jealous of VR's success. I don't agree, so let's agree to disagree here, because that's where all this started.

And I for one have never and will never play down Slash's contribution to Guns N' Roses. That's an entirely different story and no matter what shit is going on now, there is no disputing that Slash was brilliant in Guns N' Roses.

[D]

Lets think about this.

If Slash really said those things to Axl then he is an idiot.

But If Axl is making that up just to cause a rift in VR, what other reason would he do it other than being Jealous of the fact that his bandmates didnt need him to be successful.

I think Axl got this big illusion that he was GNR and that HE was the reason they were successful and huge.

once VR won a grammy and became a huge band, it showed that Slash,Duff and Matt didnt need Axl to be successful and great and Axl being the egomaniac he is, that had to bust his balls a little to know that he isnt required in order for the old guys to have success.

[killingvector]

But If Axl is making that up just to cause a rift in VR, what other reason would he do it other than being Jealous of the fact that his bandmates didnt need him to be successful.

If there were problems in VR before and Slash did venture over to Uncle Axl's house in October 2005, Axl may have succeeded in planting new seeds of discontent in VR.   Slash and Axl were the only witnesses to the conversation; Slash will of course deny that he made the comments but what will the bandmates think?

What about Axl? Well, in the words of the great Robert Shaw: I dunno Chief, he is either very smart or very dumb.

[D]

Even if Slash had said that it wouldnt be Axl's place to say that anyway and I dont think Axl shouldve said it even if it were true.

[kaasupoltin]

Even if Slash had said that it wouldnt be Axl's place to say that anyway and I dont think Axl shouldve said it even if it were true.

You got the point man! In this case my thoughts are very similar to yours.