Izzy the reason behind GnR Falling to Pieces

[VRslash]

yeah thats realy who i expect to play to but i all i have heard is axl roses Guns n roses. or axl rose will perform. i havent realy read any statment say whos going to be there. so i dont know yet. but who knows maybe its a whole new band. the 2002 tour was cut realy short. only like 12 or 15 gigs where played i think. might be conflict. but who knows what to expect. im just hopeing that GnR looks Like GNR. not a circus or goths and people that think there artistic my shavieng half there head or whereing a mask.

[Gunner80]

I always felt Izzy's playing complemented Slash's playing well.

[VRslash]

oh hell yeah Izzy was an amazing rythem guitarest. he knew the exact sound to play. he is rock n roll. duff n slash wanted nothing but to keep the band going. and im sure they wish it didnt end. but axl was to controling. and pritty much pushed them out. he was geting out of control. he has prolly grown up now looked back and went wow that wasnt even a big deal i cant belive it. ill say this tho. cliff burton is the only bass play that will ever fit the spot in metallica. and Slash n duff are the only ones that will ever fit the spot in GnR.

[Krispy Kreme]

shit man Izzy left the band 15 years ago Slash 10 years ago and Duff 8 years ago lets move on at the moment old Gnr does not exist only new gnr lets get excited and wait to speculate on why they might fall apart

PS cool avatar

Yeah, you are right, but the point is that the original Guns began  to fall apart when Izzy left. Izzy was a mainstay and although he was quiet, his impact was huge. I think, and it is just an opinion, that Axl decided to go in new directions when he realized the band could not duplicate the old music without Izzy. He is really an under-appreciated song  writer.

[shaun]

Hear Slash on Izzy in1993!!!!! (thanks  AMM )

"I love recording like this, means Slash. During Appetite..., Lies and Use Your... I had to put up with Izzy the whole time. I never liked playing with him. It was wonderful to escape him on this record. It sounds tighter and so much cooler than anything we've done before. I always got irritated over Izzy's way of playing. It didn't sound right. Before "Spaghetti", we erased his guitar and Gilby put on a new one. It sounded perfect!"

[SURE_BUT] - Maybe putting up with Izzy the whole time produced the goods. If you think about it, once Izzy was gone, the band continued with old material, there never was any more material produced. That speaks volumes to me 

[shaun]

I can't stand listening to duff talk.... He sounds like steven adler with his 'ummm uh ah well ya know, its like, uh, umm,' I can't stand listening to him talk.

He was even worse when he was wasted

  Duff sounds wasted the whole time 

[Crashdiet]

It sounds like Izzy was always the guy axl could call on to bring him a dose of reality. A friend from childhood who could say "axl your being a dick dude! your way out to lunch on this one" and axl would listen. Axl loved izzy. he followed him from indiana to LA and searched for him for  like 4 months. You can't replace that no matter how big your ego gets.... yours roots are your roots.

Once UYI came out axl's head swelled like a huge fucking ballon. I'm not saying he is wrong. BUT he had his ideas and there was noone whom he respected enough to talk him down. He realized Slash's potential but didn't think slash had the comitment to the cause... (Which was a very long drawn out cause... and i can understand why slash left.. rock n roll shouldn't be complicated).

Because of where axl came from I think he trusts very few people to tell him the truth. And because of who he is and how he can help people's careers there are probably very few people who will tell him the truth. Izzy was the one guy who was pure and real to axl. So i can see how Izzy leaving totally fucked up the chemistry.

Axl is a musicaly genius.... But slightly mad I think. Its hard to contain all his ideas. He probably goes off and shows 79% genius but needs someone he trusts and respects to rein in on his GREAT ideas.

But he doesn't respect or trust many people.... or people will tell him what he wants to hear to save their jobs.... but in the end he know's he is only right 'so far' like 79%.. but doesn't trust or respect anyone to bring him the rest of the way.,.. THUS a 10 year project...

lets hope its almost done

[Skunk]

79%? are you sure? not 78 or 80?

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

shit man Izzy left the band 15 years ago Slash 10 years ago and Duff 8 years ago lets move on

yeah, and axl's new band is from like 6 years ago ...

[Goddamn_Electric]

Listen to VR and compare it to the new demos. Both sound like GNR, VR like appetite & Axl/GNR more like a modern UYI sound.

Do your ears work...or are you drinking too much?

If VR sounded remotely like Appetite Guns, I'd love them.  Problem is they sound like a generic version of STP, which somehow, is worse than STP themselves.

[shaun]

Listen to VR and compare it to the new demos. Both sound like GNR, VR like appetite & Axl/GNR more like a modern UYI sound.

Do your ears work...or are you drinking too much?

If VR sounded remotely like Appetite Guns, I'd love them.  Problem is they sound like a generic version of STP, which somehow, is worse than STP themselves.

For the average gunner, VR possibly sound like GnR with out Axl. Axl being the important component. Scott's voice does nothing for me, so VR donot interest me.

I can only assume that STP fans adapted more easily to VR more than GnR fans, as they would have liked Scotts voice already.

I've never bothered to check out STP forums. Maybe some STP fans thought they got a good deal, getting Scott in a band with Slash, Duff, Matt. Maybe some STP fans prefered the original STP line up and simply see VR as the new STP, Scott + some hired guns. Only unlike Axl who kept the name GnR, Scott dropped the name STP in favour of a new band name, which i think is a good thing 

[shaun]

I posted the question on an STP forum. So far only 1 reply (Official STP forum pretty dead). STP fan 'Tom' writes:

"the reception to VR has been pretty chilly for most STP fans. I was a fan of both bands before VR formed, so I enjoy VR...but I'm in the minority here. The uninformed STP fans usually see Gn'R as "hair metal" and the uninformed Gn'R fans see STP as "grunge" ...but what I've noticed about both camps of fan is their disdain for VR.


Thanks Tom!  'hair metal' thats a new one on me 

[Thorazine Shuffle]

I think one of the reasons why UYI sounded different than the earleir GNR records was because you can hardly hear Izzys contribution guitar-wise on the records.  I remember reading an interview with one of the band members around 92 that stated that Izzy was hardly around during the UYI sessions because Izzy was pissed off that he was so light in the mix.  Therefore, Slash recorded alot of Izzys parts.  Izzy had a style of strumming that was very similar to Keith Richards, and it gave GNR a diiferent (and in my opinion a better) punch to the songs.  Izzy was a rhythm master guitar-wise.

[Sillything]

During the interview they (Duff+Slash) agree that the new GnR isn't GnR, and i agree with them. The new GnR is not GnR,it's simply 1 person with some hired musicians. The new songs don't sound very GnR. Axl should have either thought up a new name for his band, as calling it GnR is missleading and unfair on ex band members.

the Avatar is kinda cool, thanks?

Hey! They fuckin left GNR!!! Fuckin Velvet Revolver is up our collective GNR fans asses!!!

[Sillything]

I can't stand listening to duff talk.... He sounds like steven adler with his 'ummm uh ah well ya know, its like, uh, umm,' I can't stand listening to him talk.

He was even worse when he was wasted

  Duff sounds wasted the whole time?

I think it's sad. He quit drinking in 95? Still sounds drunk ass hell

[shaun]

I posted the question on an STP forum. So far only 2 reply's (Official STP forum pretty dead). STP fan 'Yosi Cirlin' writes:


    quote:
    Originally posted by Dobadog:
    I have a question for fans of STP:

    Most people (at a guess) see the lead singer of a band as the most important component of a band. Now that Scott as leflt STP and formed VR:



I don't see it like this at all. I think there are some bands where a certain member may stand out more than another, but STP for me is not one of those bands. I found all the musicians to be equally important. I love the song writing of the Deleos as much as I like Scott's singing.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Dobadog:
    _Do STP fans see VR as the new STP



Certainly not. Its totally different musicians except for Scott. The music that VR wrote is very different. I do like Scott's singing, but I don't really like the music written for VR (and not because I think GnR is hair metal, I just don't like it). I love STP much, much more than VR.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Dobadog:
    _Is Scott + his new band seen as better than the original STP line up.



No. Not at all by me, and as far as I can tell, not at all by most fans on this board. Again, STP was made up of FOUR special musicians, not one singer. Scott doesn't equal STP. Dean + Robert + Eric + Scott = STP. I personally like the music written by STP much more than VR. I find VR's music thus far to sound like GnR with a new singer. This is not for me.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Dobadog:
    _Is Scott + his new band seen as worse then the original STP line up.



For me at least (and I think many STP fans) the answer is yes. But this is very subjective.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Dobadog:
    As a fan of Guns N'Roses i see Axl (lead singer) as the most importent component of Guns N'Roses. So on hearing VR i was kinda thinking VR were like Guns N'Roses only without Axl. Scotts voice is not for me, so i passed on VR.

    It has left me thinking that STP fans adapted to VR much more readliy, as they would all ready like Scott's voice, and maybe see VR as the new STP (Scott + hired guns).



Nope, I think you're pretty wrong here. As far as I can tell, most STP fans also passed on VR, because, like I said before, STP was four members not one.