Izzy reason behind GnR Falling to Pieces

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Cool read
I havent read it before 

[Top-Hatted One]

I'm with Izzy on this. They were all doing drugs. They should've supported Steven but because he was "only the drummer" they cut him loose.

[kaasupoltin]

I'm with Izzy on this. They were all doing drugs. They should've supported Steven but because he was "only the drummer" they cut him loose.

Or, maybe Steven-the-drummer couldn't play.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Or maybe Axl want Steven out of GNR because he wanted to

[IzzyDutch]

Steven has said that the drug abuse became really out of control after he was sacked from GN'R, cause he was depressed about it.

Also I doubt Steven was fired only cause he wasn't able to play drums.. He lived for the music, playing drums and I doubt cause of the drugs he was unable to hit his skins. And he said himself it was part of the opium blockers that made him sick.

Also it took a year after the music when the vocals where recorded, they should've helped him. Hell even Slash said dumping Steven was a mistake and it was the beginning of the end..

[chineseblues]

Steven also said he never ever took drugs before playing a gig, it was always after when they partied.

So why was he so fucked up on drugs while they were doing the Farm Aid show? He was all over the place with his drumming there...

[IzzyDutch]

His drumming was fine at Farm Aid.. if you're refering to the tripping on the drumriser, that's human

[MarioGunner]

how can axl come up to izzy and want him to sign some paper in which Izzy was going to receive less money just for not moving as much as axl did, fuck!!! he wrote songs as much as axl did, if not more.......

i also think that izzy leaving created an unbalance in the songwriting too, cause maybe  if he would have still be there, axl would have accepted more opinions from the other members, but i got to admit that there is also a chance that even with izzy stayin, all the shit that went up to axl?s brain would have fucked up the band anyway, let?s keep in mind something, axl wants a band that does whatever he says and wants, that?s not how it works, a band is five heads thinking instead of one, that makes de armony. When musical directionsare different it?s something really hard to deal with, ok, but you can always try to find some middle point, to try to make things stay together and respect other people?s opinion, axl wouldn?t do that, instead he just wanted them to play whatever he wrote and not say a thing.... that?s why Izzy?s departure was so important for the ending of GN?R.

[slashisvr]

i heard izzy left because of the pressure of touring, and quit because he was taking too many drugs to cope with the pressure

[MarioGunner]

i heard izzy left because of the pressure of touring, and quit because he was taking too many drugs to cope with the pressure

yes you heard that, sounds like gossip, what?s been said here is the truth, so read a bit, you couldn?t be more lost

[pugdog1987]

Steven has said that the drug abuse became really out of control after he was sacked from GN'R, cause he was depressed about it.

Also I doubt Steven was fired only cause he wasn't able to play drums.. He lived for the music, playing drums and I doubt cause of the drugs he was unable to hit his skins. And he said himself it was part of the opium blockers that made him sick.

Also it took a year after the music when the vocals where recorded, they should've helped him. Hell even Slash said dumping Steven was a mistake and it was the beginning of the end..

Steven's drug abuse was really bad before he was sacked, and in private he will admit that, but in public he wants you to feel sorry for him.  And everyone did try to help him even to the point of waiting for his drug dealers (Steven was such a good customer they delivered right to his home)  and threatening them with loaded guns - Steven chose the drugs over the band.  He has said again and again, at first it was sex, drugs and rock n roll - then it became drugs and rock n roll and then just drugs.  You guys need to stop blaming everyone else in the band for Steven's behavior and place it squarely where it belongs, at Steven's doorstop. 

[adlerforever]

How was he supposed to quit when the rest of the band were all doing drugs too. I think it's really harsh what they did to him, they should have been more supportive.

[pugdog1987]

How was he supposed to quit when the rest of the band were all doing drugs too. I think it's really harsh what they did to him, they should have been more supportive.

How much more supportive would you like them to be?  They were there with guns, trying to keep the dealers away - that's pretty fucking supportive.  Should they have killed the guys and gone to jail for Steven?  The other guys helped Steven get into rehab which he walked out of time and time again - somehow the other guys got through it, Steven didn't, stop blaming everyone else, it was Steven's choice, he made it, now he's living with the aftermath - oh well.  Let's not forget that Steven chose to spend his millions on drugs, not rehab - again his choice, no one else's.   

[kaasupoltin]

How was he supposed to quit when the rest of the band were all doing drugs too. I think it's really harsh what they did to him, they should have been more supportive.

How much more supportive would you like them to be?  They were there with guns, trying to keep the dealers away - that's pretty fucking supportive.  Should they have killed the guys and gone to jail for Steven?  The other guys helped Steven get into rehab which he walked out of time and time again - somehow the other guys got through it, Steven didn't, stop blaming everyone else, it was Steven's choice, he made it, now he's living with the aftermath - oh well.  Let's not forget that Steven chose to spend his millions on drugs, not rehab - again his choice, no one else's.   

Amen man.

[IzzyDutch]

i heard izzy left because of the pressure of touring, and quit because he was taking too many drugs to cope with the pressure

That's not right cause Izzy was clean since 1989, he left cause of Axl's tantrums and Slash/Duff slowly killing themselves with drugs n booze. He said it was hard to deal with junkies when you're clean. He said he didn't wanna wake up one day next to Slash's body.

[adlerforever]

How was he supposed to quit when the rest of the band were all doing drugs too. I think it's really harsh what they did to him, they should have been more supportive.

How much more supportive would you like them to be?? They were there with guns, trying to keep the dealers away - that's pretty fucking supportive.? Should they have killed the guys and gone to jail for Steven?? The other guys helped Steven get into rehab which he walked out of time and time again - somehow the other guys got through it, Steven didn't, stop blaming everyone else, it was Steven's choice, he made it, now he's living with the aftermath - oh well.? Let's not forget that Steven chose to spend his millions on drugs, not rehab - again his choice, no one else's.? ?

ok, but what i meant was you can't expect someone to quit when all his friends are doing them too. That's whats harsh.

[kaasupoltin]

Isn't there a video from the court when Steven sued Gn'R? I remember seeing it..

[Sweet s]

I don't know where it could be found but i would love to see it It would So be worth wathching

[kaasupoltin]

I might have it on my hardrive, but I cant found it. It was like ~20min long, and there was some interesting stuff on it. Now I have to find it Just wait..

[MarioGunner]

actually, this isn?t a steven topic, have you noticed?