Izzy reason behind GnR Falling to Pieces

[kaasupoltin]

I heard she asked Adler to give her the Drugs she wanted to try it

She asked Andy McCoy first but he didn't give any 'cause he knew the situation, so she went to Adlers house. Suprise, she got the drugs she wanted.

[Sweet s]

 Adlers an Idiot for giving it to her he must have known what Axl's reaction would be

[adlerforever]

hmmm i read in a book that it was some guys wife who gave her heroin and adler was helping her out and axl got the wrong end of the stick and went crazy. if that is true i can understand why axl went crazy and guessed it was adler.

[IzzyDutch]

Nobody knows exactly what happened there except the people who where there..

[kaasupoltin]

Nobody knows exactly what happened there except the people who where there..

Andy knows

[IzzyDutch]

Yeah, but it's logical he's backing up Angela 

Steven gave his side of what happened with Erin and he said Angela McCoy (wife of Andy McCoy from Hanoi Rocks) had given Erin Valium earlier and then told him to give her heroin. He also said he did nothing to Erin (Andy McCoy said Steven tried to abuse her sexually while she was unconcious). There's also appearantly an Erin interview somewhere out there and where doesn't say anything bad about Steven.

[IzzyDutch]

Some excerpts:


SA: Exactly. Yes, and what do you do when you have a little fight? Hey, you go out and make a solo record, and then you get back together again. You know shit happens, but, I never did nothing to Axl. Axl thinks I gave; this is why I hate Andy McCoy?s fucking wife. Okay, Andy McCoy?s wife gave Erin Everly all these fucking pills, these KLONOPINs and these CLONIDINEs, because Axl got
in a fight with her. She told Axl, I gave her heroin. I ?m the one who called the ambulance cause they brought her over to my house.

MS: Erin you mean?

SA: Yeah, Andy McCoy?s wife. Me and Andy were in my studio in my backyard, we were writing songs okay. And his wife, cause he lived up the hill from me,
in Laurel Canyon. So, fucking the wife comes down with Erin, she?s all, she can?t stand up barely, she?s all blah, blah, blah.  And I said: ?What the fuck did you give her?? She said: ?Well Axl got in a fight and beat her up. So she came over and I gave her all these KLONOPINs and shit.? 

MS: Did you say Axl beat her up?

SA: Yeah, cause this was Axl?s girlfriend, or wife at the time.

MS: Erin was.

SA: Yeah.

MS: And then Andy McCoys wife gave her what kind of pills?

SA: KLONOPIN and CLONIDINE.



MS: What are they called?

SA: KLONOPINs and CLONIDINEs. And they?re MAJOR downers.  She?s all fucked up, And I?m going; ?What's wrong with her?? And she?s: ?Blah, blah, blah, I gave her all these pills.? I?m the one who carried her, and put her in my bed. And called the ambulance and saved her life. The whole time this bitch is telling me to; ?Give her some heroin, give her some heroin.? And I?m all; ?Fuck you bitch!? I?m not giving her fucking heroin. For one, I only have a little bit left, and if you?ve ever been a heroin addict, you ain?t giving your last bit away. Two, this was Axl?s fucking girl. 



(Editors Note: Notice the priority order of Steven's #1 & #2 above. Not funny, but kind of ? as long as everyone is still alive.)



MS: Right.

SA: And you never fuck, with your fucking, your band mates. Your mates woman.  Okay. And I would never do that to anybody in the first place. I called the ambulance and saved her, this bitch tells Axl I gave her heroin.  He calls me up and says he?s coming over with a shotgun to kill me.

MS: With a shotgun to kill you?

SA: Yeah. But he never did anything. So that, I mean, I never did anything to Axl. Axl didn?t do anything to me, for me to hate him, I mean, I?ve been disappointed in him when we would do shows, and he would just, just leave the stage after the first song, or in the middle of the first song - because that?s not right. I play for our fans, and I play for people because, I enjoy making people happy, It makes me happy. These people fucking work for months to save up enough money?

I wanna wish you much success on your upcoming tour. You're gonna get to play with Hanoi Rocks, man!
I played with Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, and Rose Tattoo. Now we're blessed to play with Hanoi Rocks. I have a little history with Andy McCoy. Wanna hear that?

Dude, let's hear it!
His wife - if she's still his wife - used to be Izzy's girlfriend back in the day. She's the biggest cunt, slut, whore, loser, piece of shit I've ever met in my life! After they let me go from G 'n R, Andy was living up the street from me. We started writing together. He would come down and I would say, "Do not bring that goofy wife of yours!" I'd be in the front yard and I'd see him up the hill and I'd flip him off because he was bringing her. One afternoon we were playing and I had a locked gate. The wife and Erin Everly come over. Axl and Erin had got in a fight. That's what really did it. This girl gave her valium and some other stuff and kept telling me to give her heroin. There is now way in hell I would ever do anything to Erin, even sexually. The closest we ever got was eating sushi in Studio City once. Three guys came in with shotguns and robbed the place while we were there. They took everybody's shit but ours! I've always been a big fan on Michael Monroe and Andy McCoy. Micheal got to play on the Use Your Illusion stuff. Me, Slash, and Duff wrote the music. I only got to play on Civil War. We're doing that one live, too.

[kaasupoltin]

But what ever Adler says, I dont believe him. He's just that kind of a man..

[IzzyDutch]

You can believe what you want, but there are several sides of the story and we don't know which ones true.

But... if Steven indeed gave her drugs it's not only his fault, it's Erin's aswell then cause she accepted it.

[kaasupoltin]

You can believe what you want, but there are several sides of the story and we don't know which ones true.

But... if Steven indeed gave her drugs it's not only his fault, it's Erin's aswell then cause she accepted it.

You're 100% right, in this case no one knows what's the truth so..
But if Andys story is true, I hate Steven even more as a person than I did before. And Steven has lied/talked bs so many times that I dont trust that guy.

[Sweet s]

Different stories always get Confused when it comes to GN'R you can't tell what's lies and what is fact half the time

[adlerforever]

You're 100% right, in this case no one knows what's the truth so..
But if Andys story is true, I hate Steven even more as a person than I did before. And Steven has lied/talked bs so many times that I dont trust that guy.

I really don't mean to be rude but do you know steven? if so then fair enough but if not how can you hate him as a person and there are so many different stories about everything with guns n roses how do you know he lies all the time. for all we know he might be being 100% truthful and axl and that lot could be talking a load of shit no one knows apart from the guys involved if you were involved apologies i take it all back.

[kaasupoltin]

I really don't mean to be rude but do you know steven? if so then fair enough but if not how can you hate him as a person and there are so many different stories about everything with guns n roses how do you know he lies all the time. for all we know he might be being 100% truthful and axl and that lot could be talking a load of shit no one knows apart from the guys involved if you were involved apologies i take it all back.

Ok, so I have to really KNOW someone or I cant hate him? Right? I mean.. it's not just the 'lies' why I hate Steven. Almost everything he says in interviews makes me sick/laugh/sad/etc. I just hate the guy. I dont have to know him to hate him.. I hate George Bush, but I dont know him.

This is what Adler said about CD last summer:
"If he puts it out he thinks he'll sell 20 million copies. Well, maybe he's lucky if he goes gold. There's no hits on it, it's crap."

This is an example for "laughable" Steven-quote.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Well Im with katlovesjoe on this one you cant hate someone you dont know cause that implies for you to know the person, for instance I hate bon jovis music but I dont hate the guy I mean Bongiovi dude, he can be a really great guy who knows I havent met him but I really hate his music, perhaps you are being influenced that he is way so bitter in all his statements against Axl, but thats a differnt history, anyway I think you can hate anyone you want to but at least give the man the benefit of the doubt 

[kaasupoltin]

Yeah, Steven might be a real nice guy, but.. well.. aaaah forget it. I just hate him. But one thing I can say; Steven is an awesome drummer I dont hate his music at all, I just love his work on AFD and club shows, so the reason for hating him comes from totally another direction.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

See it wasnt that bad right? 

[kaasupoltin]

See it wasnt that bad right? 

But I still hate him

[Sweet s]

I don't hate anybody (apart for Child killers and Rapists),But i do think you can a get a sense of sombody's personality by their actions and then make a jusgement on how you feel about them,But as It goes i don't hate Steven atall I think He got a raw deal when he left GN'R  being a Junkie or not

[Mr. Dick Purple]

But I still hate him

Blah!! I drop the towel 
 

Well yeah he might have a rough time I only hope he can do better than just remember old glories

[Big Gun]

FROM HARD ROCK MAGAZINE JUNE 2001 (FRANCE)

Q: Does GNR success made loose contact with reality?

Izzy: Yes a little bit. I didn't know what to expect, I just wanted to
play in a rock band... None of us even thought that one day we will be
playing out of LA. And I can assure you that as we were really simple
people, there were no way to prepare us to success. The only rock side
that we used to have was to be stoned. Our kind of life so strange, and
when we started having some success, it only became worst. When we came
back from tour, we all bought a house, and we got stoned even more... But
one day when I wasn't stoned I thought :" Izzy, something is wrong, we
are fucking around." That was in 88 or 89. I took the decision to go back
to Indiana and see my friends... Before the tour we didn't have money,
when we came back, our bank account were full, everybody wanted to sell
us drugs, weapons, crazy stuff.

Q: Before the recording of UYI 1 & 2 , did you ever think of leaving
the band?

Izzy: Yes, from time to time, but not every day. It's true that sometimes
 the situation was so "grotesque"; Axl was leaving the stage after 2 songs
 and I used to think:" Hey we look like stupid assholes". But I wasn't
convinced yet to leave. Music was still uniting us. Slash, Steven, Duff
and I were living very close to each others and we were playing a lot.
So I wanted to do another album, and that what we did. It was a double...
 or a triple I don't even know.

Q: What was the last straw that made you leave GNR?

Izzy: After the first leg of  the UYI tour, Axl wanted to make me sign a
contract which meant that I was less involved and less paid. I couldn't
believe it. This contract was coming from someone I grew up with for fuck's
sake. We always considered GNR as a best friend band, and now Axl was
telling me:" now we are doing business." Why should I carry on? Where was
the fun? That was the last drop. But other things happen before like in
Donnington where to kids died during the show. What the fuck is that? Is
that rock n' roll? To read in an airport newspaper that kid died during
one of your gig? What the fun to play in stadium every night and to start
a riot in Saint-Louis because your singer is fucked up? You come to a point
when none of all this is funny anymore. Axl wasn't doing his front man job
anymore. As for the others, there were all stoned and wasted, I wasn't
even able to make them learn covers: We could have play covers while Axl
was away waiting for him to come back, entertaining the kids. No. We came
up with drum solo. What's more boring than a drum solo???

Q: You were his best friend. Was he listening to you?

Izzy: When he started earning big money and getting laid, he was out of
reach. Everybody was so stone. I was able to control myself, but I was
looking at Steve, Slash and Duff killing themselves in front of me. I
don't even remember if Steven was still in the band by the way. What was
this bullshit anyway? A musician is sack from GNR because is doing to much
drugs when you that drug was the main occupation of this band? Me I stopped
all that one year before I quit. So during that years I was a witness of
them trying to kill themselves. I didn't wanted to be an accomplice to
that; I didn't wanted to wake near Slash's dead body. Thinking that I was
indirectly responsible for that, so I quit GNR.

Q: But you came back later on to replace Gilby?

Izzy: Simple. I was back in Indiana, living quietly when Axl rang me.
He asked me if I could help them out for a few shows. I asked where were
those shows and he said Istanbul, London, Paris, Athens... You think I
would have hesitated. I like to travel and see new country. Meanwhile,
Alan Niven, my manager, who was GNR manager at a time, told me that the
band was still owing me money. I told me to accept if they were give me
my money. It is only after that I realise that Alan will have 20% of the
money ( he laugh). I did those shows and didn't have a lot of fun because
Slash and Duff were still stoned. I don't want to call myself a saint, I
did it all myself, but when you are not stone there is nothing funny in
seeing your friends like that.

Q: Do you still see Steven, Slash and Duff?

Izzy: Yes, I spoke to them on the phone three days ago, I even have lunch
with Steven last week. He is clean now but physically and mentally...
Slash is well, so is Duff: he just did the Hawaiian marathon! A fucking
marathon. Not bad for a guy whose pancreas exploded because he was drinking
3 1/2 liters of vodka every day? He is my band by the way, that is very
cool. The only who doesn't speak to anybody is Axl. He doesn't call the
people back on the phone. I like to ride my bike and I know where he
lives. Once in 1995, I went there and ring the door bell, he opened the
door, we took each other in our arms, he made me visit his house and we
had a chat. Cool. We called back each other after that, but one day the
old Axl was back; He was taking notes on the phone of what I was telling
him, and then, no news. Since then I go to his place, that makes me laugh:
I ring the door bell and there is always a bouncer telling me he is not
there! I am happy anyway that he did two gigs in Vegas and Rio in the
beginning of the year. I am especially happy that his microphone did work
properly. Who knows, He might have left the stage (he laughs).