Izzy reason behind GnR Falling to Pieces

[shaun]

Hearing this interview with Slash and Duff:
http://mfile.akamai.com/1689/wmv/bmguk.download.akamai.com/1689/VelvetRev/velvet_wma_high.asx

...it seems that once Izzy departed from GnR, Slash and Duff realized that they used to relate to Axl though Izzy. Without Izzy being there, GnR was all but over.

[Butch Français]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

[Sweet s]

Yeah That's true, Plus Izzy was the only one who could really handle Axl's tantrums when he left  there was nobody to keep Axl in check and his ego inflated to enourmous sizes

[Mr. Dick Purple]

I know that this will sound so scary but is a fact, Izzy have a stronger character than Axl, perhaps they both need each other 

[GNR - CROATIA]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

Not true.   Adler wasn't able to play drums (just like today),  so they fired him and got a better drumer instead.
Izzy was sick and tired of Axl's tantrums and lateness to every concert played cause they were late due to Axl but the fines the paid for going over time was taken from everyone in the band.
Izzy also didn't like the fact his childhood friend called up the managment and asked that Izzy gets less money cause he doesn't move on stage as much as insane Axl wanted him to move.

[Eugene Klein]

Replace two members of an original lineup that owns chemistry and you'll have a complete different band.
Even when one of them is the main writer. It's not difficult to see that.
 

[IzzyDutch]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

Not true.? ?Adler wasn't able to play drums (just like today),? so they fired him and got a better drumer instead.
Izzy was sick and tired of Axl's tantrums and lateness to every concert played cause they were late due to Axl but the fines the paid for going over time was taken from everyone in the band.
Izzy also didn't like the fact his childhood friend called up the managment and asked that Izzy gets less money cause he doesn't move on stage as much as insane Axl wanted him to move.

^ True, but Izzy also said he prefered to continue working with Steven, Steven got fired cause of doing drugs while everyone was doing drugs and Steven's drumming gave the songs their feel and push, without that "nothing worked".

So I think that what Izzy is saying is that they should've been more supportive to Steven and help him instead of firing him.

[GNR - CROATIA]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

Not true.? ?Adler wasn't able to play drums (just like today),? so they fired him and got a better drumer instead.
Izzy was sick and tired of Axl's tantrums and lateness to every concert played cause they were late due to Axl but the fines the paid for going over time was taken from everyone in the band.
Izzy also didn't like the fact his childhood friend called up the managment and asked that Izzy gets less money cause he doesn't move on stage as much as insane Axl wanted him to move.

^ True, but Izzy also said he prefered to continue working with Steven, Steven got fired cause of doing drugs while everyone was doing drugs and Steven's drumming gave the songs their feel and push, without that "nothing worked".

So I think that what Izzy is saying is that they should've been more supportive to Steven and help him instead of firing him.

IMO,  Matt Sorum was way wayyyy better drummer and they sounded better with him on board...

[Sweet s]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

Not true.? ?Adler wasn't able to play drums (just like today),? so they fired him and got a better drumer instead.
Izzy was sick and tired of Axl's tantrums and lateness to every concert played cause they were late due to Axl but the fines the paid for going over time was taken from everyone in the band.
Izzy also didn't like the fact his childhood friend called up the managment and asked that Izzy gets less money cause he doesn't move on stage as much as insane Axl wanted him to move.

^ True, but Izzy also said he prefered to continue working with Steven, Steven got fired cause of doing drugs while everyone was doing drugs and Steven's drumming gave the songs their feel and push, without that "nothing worked".

So I think that what Izzy is saying is that they should've been more supportive to Steven and help him instead of firing him.

Izzy right they should have helped Steven more then ,MAYBE he might not be in the mess he is in now

[adlerforever]

is it true that steven was fired while he was on the medication to come off drugs?

[IzzyDutch]

There are multiple versions of the story... it's hard to tell the truth, only the guys who there know it It sounds believable in my ears though.

Here's the story; www.gnrinfo.tk then go the Civil War, In Their Own Words.

[Butch Français]

is it true that steven was fired while he was on the medication to come off drugs?

that's correct. I think the guys in the band was just looking for an excuse to hire an "proffissional" drummer, they though that would give them more of an "edge"...how wrong they were!

[Butch Français]

Steven got fired. Izzy didn't like it, Izzy quit. left was some people that didn't know how to communicate with each other plus some hired hands. crash!
so like Izzy has said several times, the real GNR was pretty much over the minute Steven got fired.

Not true.   Adler wasn't able to play drums (just like today),  so they fired him and got a better drumer instead.
Izzy was sick and tired of Axl's tantrums and lateness to every concert played cause they were late due to Axl but the fines the paid for going over time was taken from everyone in the band.
Izzy also didn't like the fact his childhood friend called up the managment and asked that Izzy gets less money cause he doesn't move on stage as much as insane Axl wanted him to move.

^ True, but Izzy also said he prefered to continue working with Steven, Steven got fired cause of doing drugs while everyone was doing drugs and Steven's drumming gave the songs their feel and push, without that "nothing worked".

So I think that what Izzy is saying is that they should've been more supportive to Steven and help him instead of firing him.

IMO, Matt Sorum was way wayyyy better drummer and they sounded better with him on board...

well then, In my humble opinion, as a drummer and all....you're crazy! sorry. don't take it personal

[Genesis]

is it true that steven was fired while he was on the medication to come off drugs?

Didn't Slash say that Steven used to cheat and hide drugs in his house? He just couldn't quit. That's why they fired him...

[IzzyDutch]

is it true that steven was fired while he was on the medication to come off drugs?

Didn't Slash say that Steven used to cheat and hide drugs in his house? He just couldn't quit. That's why they fired him...

"He just couldn't quit" Well, the only two persons who where completely clean at the time of Steven's firing where Izzy and Axl..

He got fired for drugproblems when everybody was on drugs. And the "he couldn't play cause of the drugs" I think that was only the case at the recording of Civil War cause of the opiumblockers, before that he could play just fine. Steven also said he never ever took drugs before playing a gig, it was always after when they partied.

[eNgIeS]

i think even if Izzy stayed, it wouldve fallen apart soon enough. Axl wanted to do his material & wasnt accepting stuff like "be the ball" from Slash, he wanted to be the controller of GNR i think. Sure he would let others have there part & say in it...to an extent. Everyone in teh group had different directions they wanted to go...you can hear it on Use Your Illusion, great albums, but def all over the place in terms of style. You have your ballads & piano stuff with Axl, then the hard rockers from Slash Matt & Duff (duff even had a few different types of songs from himself) & then the old style rock from Izzy. So yeh to me regardless, it wouldve broken up.

Steven got fired because he couldnt play on drugs, Slash & Duff could, Steven couldnt...you can have a drug habit, but when it effects your professional responsibilitys then thats when its a problem your employer should concern themselves with

[Mr. Dick Purple]

IMO,  Matt Sorum was way wayyyy better drummer and they sounded better with him on board...

Doesnt seem that Izzy cared too much about that, IMO adler is better.

[Sweet s]

Izzy was angry over the way Adler was treated When he was sacked

[kaasupoltin]

Adler got what he deserved.. Don't ever give any drugs to band's frontmans wife

[Sweet s]

I heard she asked Adler to give her the Drugs she wanted to try it