What's wrong with Sympathy For The Devil and/or The Spaghetti Incident?

[Vicious Wishes]

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

[prolog]

Count me in with those who like the GN'R version of SFTD...
it was a cool ending to the movie(if you've seen it, you'll know), I didn't even know that it was GN'R until I heard Axl's voice.

Anyways, I think what they say at the end of the song is like "Save us good boy. Don't forget to drink your milk."

[Buddha_Master]

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

Some of you may get your panties in a bundle with this...but believe it.

GNR fucked up Knockin on Heaven's Door. That was a horrible horrible cover (on the UYI 2 album and the one performed at the Get in the Ring Tour). Damn that is really among the gayest things GNR has ever done. Kudos to them though for waking up for the 2002 tour. Much better.

The song is emotional, and GNR missed that along the way. I love the version at the classic Ritz performance, and at the 2002 shows. But the actual cover recording is vastly inferior to the original. Actually, the only artist to successfully pull off a Dylan song was Hendrix.

[Axlative]

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that even it could sound better, but it wasn't invented by the guys, is just a tribute, a good cover but never better than the original.

WTF??? We're not talking sheet music here. There is no "original". There's only notes to the song. That's the original part. There can be the one version that's recorded by the writer, but then again, there can be five versions recorded by the writer himself. Which is the original then?

When talking about a recording, it is highly irrelevant who the writer is. Most songs (even some good ones) today aren't performed by the writer. What makes an original version then? The first one recorded? What if the writer decides to record it later on???

The fact that it was written by the artist performing it is irrelevant because you can't hear the credits on the damn track! You just hear the performer's interpretation of the sheet music. So there's only two variables in the formula: the notes to the song and the artist(s) performing.

If the notes rock and artist sucks, the recorded version can be improved by a better performer!

Oh, and Dylan is probably the best example of an artist with his writing skills way way way exceeding his performance talent. I'm not saying he can't perform, but million people can do the same. However, only a handful people can show equal talent in songwriting.

Thus the result is excellent sheet music with recordings not nearly at the same level the compositions deserve. Enter a talented performer (like Jimi). The result is a better recorded version.

[michaelvincent]

The lengths that some of you will go to split hairs is astounding.

Had the Stones never written the song we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation, so yes, there is indeed an original.

[wheelz1045]

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

[Axlative]

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

In reference to my post above...

How the hell do you define original???

In some cases (like SFTD) it's easy to say which one it is, but i repeat:

How do you define it???

[wheelz1045]

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

In reference to my post above...

How the hell do you define original???

In some cases (like SFTD) it's easy to say which one it is, but i repeat:

How do you define it???

The first one that was made. 

[James_Ramone]

as slash said

"its the sound of the band breaking up"

[damnthehaters]

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

Yeah, and what about Knockin On Heavens Door?  By far better than the original.  GNR made that song huge.

[tomass74]

I never liked it.  Mostly it is the vocals that I don't like. I never knew Paul was on it when I decided I didn't like it either. I have probably only heard it like 3 times in my life. Maybe I should DL and see if it still sucks.

[killingvector]

as slash said

"its the sound of the band breaking up"

That was a great quote, but I just didn't hear any cacohphony in the mix.

[kever20]

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

Yeah, and what about Knockin On Heavens Door?? By far better than the original.? GNR made that song huge.

You're absolutely right: they did a god job making it popular. But because Bob Dylan penned the song, it is his song. His recording came first, and I heard it a million times before I ever picked up the GNR records. He defined what the song was supposed to be, you know: what it meant to him. Axl and Co. interpreted it in their own way, which still was great. No dispute. Oh, and because I've heard the ACDC version of "Rosie" only a few times, I didn't even want to through it under the "covers" section, especially because they were both live recordings. The Stones did "Dead Flowers" the best, but GNR did a close second. Clarke's version sucked. I was never a big fan of "punk" type bands, but I thought both versions of "Ain't It Fun?" were pretty good. McCartney's "Live and Let Die" was great, but neither versions were that exceptional unless they were played live (I'm seeing Sir Paul next month at Arco Arena!)

/Kevin Miller

[Buddha_Master]

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

Yeah, and what about Knockin On Heavens Door?? By far better than the original.? GNR made that song huge.

As fucking tragic as it is just plain sad.

[Axlative]

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

In reference to my post above...

How the hell do you define original???

In some cases (like SFTD) it's easy to say which one it is, but i repeat:

How do you define it???

The first one that was made. 

Ok, so is the original Crash Diet the GNR demo (wasn't it also on the pinball machine or was it Ain't Goin' Down?) or by the band (forgot who it was) who actually recorded a finished version of it?

Just trying to make my point... 

[michaelvincent]

Ok, so is the original Crash Diet the GNR demo (wasn't it also on the pinball machine or was it Ain't Goin' Down?) or by the band (forgot who it was) who actually recorded a finished version of it?

Dude we're talking about a cover of a song that was made over 20 years before GnR recorded a cover of it. It's safe to say that the Stones version is the original. Stop splitting hairs and just accept it.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

In reference to my post above...

How the hell do you define original???

In some cases (like SFTD) it's easy to say which one it is, but i repeat:

How do you define it???

The first one that was made.?

Ok, so is the original Crash Diet the GNR demo (wasn't it also on the pinball machine or was it Ain't Goin' Down?) or by the band (forgot who it was) who actually recorded a finished version of it?

Just trying to make my point...?

Aint goin down was on the pin ball machine. Forgot who redid crash diet, was it demon bell or another band?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I never liked it.? Mostly it is the vocals that I don't like. I never knew Paul was on it when I decided I didn't like it either. I have probably only heard it like 3 times in my life. Maybe I should DL and see if it still sucks.

I agree with that, Axl kinda just talks the vocals and doesnt really sing them. The music parts is great but Axl should have sung them. I think he was trying to mimic the way mick did it.

[noonespecial]

Mick did not talk thru sympathy for the devil

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Mick did not talk thru sympathy for the devil

But he sang very very slow, almost talking. That is what I meant. Axl  tried to sing it the same style as Jaggar did.