Lesser hopes for CD's release

[mikegiuliana]

because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

Nope, they don't.

that may be your opinion, but to say songs like spectacle illegal eye or slither or dlt stbs Diftks big machine, come on come in don't "rock" is absurd.. Live they are loud and rocking, they have quick hard guitar drum intros.. I'll be the first to say slash's solos aren't as long in anyway as his days in gnr or snakepit but they still have that uptempo quality.. You don't have to like them, but when I play the album I know I am hearing the instruments kicking.. The rockers are full of energy.. At a concert you can rock your ass off and the pace stays that way

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I also never said I wanted another afd, I meant rockers of that degree thrown in with his softer stuff...? Are you not allowed to havve a great opening riff in 06

They have no good riff writers in Axl + Friends.
Buckethead is a shredder, he doesn't write music just taps alot.

Axl could not write another AFD even if he wanted to... The Key ingredients are missing.
And don't give me some bullshit excuse that Axl has "grown up" because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

VR had no good riffs and they had slash. The CD riff is good, and so is the one for IRS. So how can you say there are no good riffs 

[mikegiuliana]

I also never said I wanted another afd, I meant rockers of that degree thrown in with his softer stuff...? Are you not allowed to havve a great opening riff in 06

They have no good riff writers in Axl + Friends.
Buckethead is a shredder, he doesn't write music just taps alot.

Axl could not write another AFD even if he wanted to... The Key ingredients are missing.
And don't give me some bullshit excuse that Axl has "grown up" because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

VR had no good riffs and they had slash. The CD riff is good, and so is the one for IRS. So how can you say there are no good riffs?

come on dave by now you have to say you not liking any work of CB isn't how everyone feels...

Unlike what the pope said I think BH is quite talented..

a simple but good riff like set me free was done by matt.....

lets be honest most of the people on this board didn't give the vr album half the in debth attention they gave these new leaks.. I am sure my 50 plus listens of each is more then half the people who hate VR's album did....

Remember when people said oh you need to have multiple listens to contraband then you'll get into it better?? Well the people who were anti vr said oh you have to force yourself to like it, or if it takes that many listens it's not good.. Well the opposite happened with those demos, everyopne swore for songs like twat or irs you needed multiple listens and headphones to have it grow on you, but that was just soaking it in, not forcing yourself   I for one agree certain music needs many listens and headphones can give you a listen that provides more detail

So if people think contraband had good songs ,and people think new gnr's demos are good then that's all good in my book

[marknroses]

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

My opinions have changed considerably about GNR and Axl in the last 5 years.
I really believe that Axl was the straw that stirred the drink. Estranged was brilliant and his input to all of their hit songs and fan favorites are clearly visible. I really thought we'd be getting something SUPERIOR with vintage Guns N' Fuckin Roses.

I have yet to be impressed by anything nu-GNR has put out as much as I would love to be lifted as high as the old songs continue to lift and inspire me through life. I consider some of the songs to be messes, both lyrically and musically - as if Axl has added too many sounds. His vocals are clearly weaker than they were in 1989. Im happy for the die-hard Axl fans (who all like "Estranged") and that they like the stuff - but I'm not on their planet. I think I'm with a silent majority both here and outside the boards who feel that thusfar the nu material has yet to prove itself.
His performance are also subpar compared with his older performances. At MSG, it does seem at glimpses that Axl doesn't know what to do onstage (EX: at the beginning of WTTJ, instead of normally spasing out onstage in the beginning, Axl just walks up to the center of the stage and stands there and then does the same old leg stomps that he does in all his other nu shows), whereas Axl of old always had a new move with the mike stand, his legs, arm gestures, rants and running around and high-fiving fans (I still love his 1991 UYI Tour Shows from May-August).

Doesn't mean Axl can't prove me wrong. I'd love to hear his "big guns" it would vindicate Axl in a huge way. I'm all ears.

But meanwhile, I can't let go of VR and their 1st album and half of the songs would sound perfect for vintage Axl to sing them. i HOPE at some point, that Axl can get back together with his mates.

MNW

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I also never said I wanted another afd, I meant rockers of that degree thrown in with his softer stuff...? Are you not allowed to havve a great opening riff in 06

They have no good riff writers in Axl + Friends.
Buckethead is a shredder, he doesn't write music just taps alot.

Axl could not write another AFD even if he wanted to... The Key ingredients are missing.
And don't give me some bullshit excuse that Axl has "grown up" because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

VR had no good riffs and they had slash. The CD riff is good, and so is the one for IRS. So how can you say there are no good riffs?

come on dave by now you have to say you not liking any work of CB isn't how everyone feels...

Unlike what the pope said I think BH is quite talented..

a simple but good riff like set me free was done by matt.....

lets be honest most of the people on this board didn't give the vr album half the in debth attention they gave these new leaks.. I am sure my 50 plus listens of each is more then half the people who hate VR's album did....

Remember when people said oh you need to have multiple listens to contraband then you'll get into it better?? Well the people who were anti vr said oh you have to force yourself to like it, or if it takes that many listens it's not good.. Well the opposite happened with those demos, everyopne swore for songs like twat or irs you needed multiple listens and headphones to have it grow on you, but that was just soaking it in, not forcing yourself ? I for one agree certain music needs many listens and headphones can give you a listen that provides more detail

So if people think contraband had good songs ,and people think new gnr's demos are good then that's all good in my book

I hear contraband songs on the radio and they do nothing for me. The lyrics are way too chidlish for someone in their 40s to be writing. Like I said they have a few good songs but that is it. You claim the demos or live songs have no good riffs I am telling you VR does not have any either and they have slash, so what does that tell you? The CD riff is so good the darkness ripped it off.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

My opinions have changed considerably about GNR and Axl in the last 5 years.
I really believe that Axl was the straw that stirred the drink. Estranged was brilliant and his input to all of their hit songs and fan favorites are clearly visible. I really thought we'd be getting something SUPERIOR with vintage Guns N' Fuckin Roses.

I have yet to be impressed by anything nu-GNR has put out as much as I would love to be lifted as high as the old songs continue to lift and inspire me through life. I consider some of the songs to be messes, both lyrically and musically - as if Axl has added too many sounds. His vocals are clearly weaker than they were in 1989. Im happy for the die-hard Axl fans (who all like "Estranged") and that they like the stuff - but I'm not on their planet. I think I'm with a silent majority both here and outside the boards who feel that thusfar the nu material has yet to prove itself.
His performance are also subpar compared with his older performances. At MSG, it does seem at glimpses that Axl doesn't know what to do onstage (EX: at the beginning of WTTJ, instead of normally spasing out onstage in the beginning, Axl just walks up to the center of the stage and stands there and then does the same old leg stomps that he does in all his other nu shows), whereas Axl of old always had a new move with the mike stand, his legs, arm gestures, rants and running around and high-fiving fans (I still love his 1991 UYI Tour Shows from May-August).

Doesn't mean Axl can't prove me wrong. I'd love to hear his "big guns" it would vindicate Axl in a huge way. I'm all ears.

But meanwhile, I can't let go of VR and their 1st album and half of the songs would sound perfect for vintage Axl to sing them. i HOPE at some point, that Axl can get back together with his mates.

MNW

How has your opinioned changed? You have never liked axls new songs and you still claim you dont like them or are not inpressed.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I also never said I wanted another afd, I meant rockers of that degree thrown in with his softer stuff...  Are you not allowed to havve a great opening riff in 06

They have no good riff writers in Axl + Friends.
Buckethead is a shredder, he doesn't write music just taps alot.

Axl could not write another AFD even if he wanted to... The Key ingredients are missing.
And don't give me some bullshit excuse that Axl has "grown up" because so has Slash and Duff an Matt yet they still play Hard, Loud and Awsome.

Sorry but Slash and Duff havent grown musically at all. They have been playing the same, basic hard rock for 20 years. The only reason they changed a little bit on the Illusions is because of Axl. They have always done the same thing ever since they left GN'R, except now they tune to drop d. Axl actually has the balls to try and do something different.

[younggunner]

His performance are also subpar compared with his older performances. At MSG, it does seem at glimpses that Axl doesn't know what to do onstage (EX: at the beginning of WTTJ, instead of normally spasing out onstage in the beginning, Axl just walks up to the center of the stage and stands there and then does the same old leg stomps that he does in all his other nu shows), whereas Axl of old always had a new move with the mike stand, his legs, arm gestures, rants and running around and high-fiving fans (I still love his 1991 UYI Tour Shows from May-August).

Maybe he left his manual home for the 02 tour? I didnt know Axl had to do certain things onstage? I always was under the impression Axl did what he wanted when he wanted and nothing is scripted or planned.

Also remember the guy is 40+ yrs old. Atleast he doesnt sit down or stay in 1 spot.....

Too bad you werent at MSG.....thats all I have to sa about that...Until your there live, youll never know what a night that was

Doesn't mean Axl can't prove me wrong. I'd love to hear his "big guns" it would vindicate Axl in a huge way. I'm all ears.

Hate to break this to you but Axl doesnt have to prove you wrong. Hes nto doing this for you or for me. hes doing the stuff he wants to do.

But meanwhile, I can't let go of VR and their 1st album and half of the songs would sound perfect for vintage Axl to sing them. i HOPE at some point, that Axl can get back together with his mates.

Thats cool. Not for me though. Cb is honestly boring for me. Is it good? Its ok. Its not putrid or anyhting. Its a good safe rock album.

Just something I wouldnt expect from 2 key members of GNR.

I had bigger expectation for Slash and Duff. Whethe rit was called Vr or GNR. To me the names dont mean anything. I simply go by the bar they themselves set.
 SLither and YGNR are the only good things off CB imo....

hear contraband songs on the radio and they do nothing for me

Except for Slither I rarely hear anything off Cb..even FTP

[WARose]

the leaked tracks actually exceeded my expectations and everyone i played the new demos to was positively surprised....   


so i don`t see any problem here...

[In a coma]

I actually love the leaked songs!!! I think one poster hit the nail on the head when he said these songs could have been recorded six or seven years ago. Contraband was good but lacked enough commercial punch imo. I think the songs with the exception of blues and madagascar are album fillers, I do not mean this negatively I think Axl has worked long and hard to produce a kick ass album. I think these leaks have been carefully let out of the bag slowly, Axl is not a fool and he has kept the album under wraps for long enough.
I had doubts about Axl as a song writer thinking he relied on the talents of izzy and slash but I think we have all been proved wrong. One comment I would make is that the chord progressions in the new songs seem very simple and as if they have been wrote on an acoustic guitar. My idea is that Axl may have composed these songs simply (using his limited guitar skills, my god Madagascar has the same chords as all along the watchtower by Jimi Hendrix. I think the reason for the delay is that Axl may have had to re-invent the way he writes songs and has perhaps he has gone back to the drawing board. However, I think we all have to agree that every song on CD will eclipse Contraband and I say this as I die hard VR fan.
As a Gnr fan I am very excited by this release very excited by the prospect of Gnr on the road and I think every song will be killer. I am confused by the comments on twat whilst not the strongest I think the chorus is blinding. Who are we to say what will be on this album, maybee none of these tracks will be on there. Either way I am looking forward to it!!!!

[the dirt]

I always was under the impression Axl did what he wanted when he wanted and nothing is scripted or planned.

That's the way it may have been in the past. There was an arranged setist planned to a T on the 2002 tour. No more of the "we feel the vibe of the crowd, an that dictates how and what we play". shame.

[da_pope]

I never said Bucket wasn't talented... He's just no where close to the Riff writer Slash is.
And Slither has been called the Best Riff since Sweet Child O' Mine by many gutiar magazines so don't say CB has no good riffs.

You guys are automatticly making it sound like I'm trying to put down the leaks when I say there's no good riffing in there. I'm not. There just isn't a really good riff in any of the leaks.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I never said Bucket wasn't talented... He's just no where close to the Riff writer Slash is.
And Slither has been called the Best Riff since Sweet Child O' Mine by many gutiar magazines so don't say CB has no good riffs.

You guys are automatticly making it sound like I'm trying to put down the leaks when I say there's no good riffing in there. I'm not. There just isn't a really good riff in any of the leaks.

Robin wrote most of the riffs, and ill agree BH is not a good RIFF writer but BH writes amazing solos.

[Scabbie]

The riff in the heavy part of 'Better' is awesome!

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Sorry, I don't read or post on this board hardly.? I don't know anyone's likes and dislikes and whatnot.? .

Then dont judge longtime members here if you dont know anything.

Claiming that some leaked tracks are better then songs on AFD... I have to question your sainty.

Long time fans are just excited over these new songs. The songs prove the wait has been worth it, although we all questioned that for years. AFD is almost 20 years old. Us longtime fans have listened to it since we were kids. It gets stale. These new songs have injected new life into an almost dead band and a jaded fanbase. Saying he enjoys these songs more than AFD isnt shocking. I feel the same. Yeah, AFD is the best album ever made, but that doesn't mean we cant put it in the back of our minds and enjoy this amazing new stuff.

James...this is a great post, I totally agree with you..listening to these new songs in my car and on my comp has definitely got me excited about GNR again and about the release of CD which I was sooooo giving up on in the summer of 05 till Axl emerged out of the shadows.

[speed_stone]

actually my expectations are higher than ever, i always had enormous faith in axl's talent and this new band but this new material here have exceeded even my expectations. you know, a friend of mine is just getting into new gnr and i gave him a cd with 3 bootlegs; madagascar, the blues and CD, and the four demos, and as i was listening to the compiled cd on my headphones myself it just blew me away. trust me, this album is going to exceed everyone's expectations. it will be the best and most varied (which is a good thing) album release to date.

[gnr_12]

VR Sucks. Think about it.. Slash... Duff... Sorum.. some dude.. and Weiland.. GNR best band of all time.. IMO and Weiland from STP.. cummon... STP was amazing.. and now what? they had two decent songs on the Cd.. Some people get better with age, obviously those four havent. Axls music is not even in their finals cuts yet and there are now 4 or 5 songs which i would put on contraband before any of the songs they have on there. the blues.. TWAT...  better... IRS.. CITR... damn.. those songs are good. Scott's gotta get back into his old style of music.. his voice was a little more distinct.. not anymore though.. Point is. Slash back with AXL would be 20000000x better than slash with Weiland.

BTW. the reason the musics changed is ecause they are all 40 year old men.. some with families and no longer live in a shoebox with nothing but some nighttrain and cheap crack cocaine.. theyve grown up... theyve made millions.. now.. we see the new side of these guys...

Dont ever expect an AFD type CD ever again... that music is one of  akind.. and long gone.. no one will ever be like GNR 1985-1989...

so get used to the new shit. or leave.

I dont hate VR.. just had higher standards for a band with that much talent.. then again it was their first album. hope the next is better.. for there sake. and mine.. its a waste to see great talent without good music.

[oldgunsfan]

I think that in terms of sales though... "Guns N' Roses" will sell way more albums than "Velvet Revolver."?
It's kindof sad though... of course we all have the best hopes for GNR but realistically it doesn't seem the masses will love it like the fans will.

We'll get our personal victory when it comes out... but it's always fun to have everyone else join in on something you think is awesome.... and to say "I told you so."

The sole reason it will sell more is of the GnR name.....if Axl renamed this band or called it a solo project, it wouldn't IMO;

[mikegiuliana]

I think that in terms of sales though... "Guns N' Roses" will sell way more albums than "Velvet Revolver."?
It's kindof sad though... of course we all have the best hopes for GNR but realistically it doesn't seem the masses will love it like the fans will.

We'll get our personal victory when it comes out... but it's always fun to have everyone else join in on something you think is awesome.... and to say "I told you so."

The sole reason it will sell more is of the GnR name.....if Axl renamed this band or called it a solo project, it wouldn't IMO;

I think most people know that, the only difference on these sites is will they say it happened because  of that or because axl's a musical genius

No doubt that something billed as the first new gnr music in say 15 years will grab attention right away having a percentage of fans of old just being curious picking up a copy....

it is a dead horse... I would have loved to have seen how a new axl rose and company album would have done on it's own.. people seeing it's an axl rose album over a gnr album is abig deal..

[younggunner]

Whether its called GNR or something else, this album would have still be compared and scrutenized the same way it is now. Any work Axl or Slash put out will laways be compared to the old band. People would still be waiting for the "Axl ROse solo album" with he same amount of anticipation and curiosity as CD by GNR


Did GnR fans not by Vr simply because it wasnt called GNR? Will the same people buy Cd because its GNr or because its a new record from Axl?

The advantages Axl has using the name are for touring and adding to his legacy. If CD is great it will show that Axl was apart of the great eras of GNR. Whereas using another name he wouldnt be able to say or do that.

An Axl solo album would get the same amount of attention and have the same amount of initial sales as this album will do. People wanna know what Axls been working on all these yrs and why the old band split. That alone sells the album....Ther name is just the name