Lesser hopes for CD's release

[misterID]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

Ok, what ever

I don't understand what's so funny about this. You guys need to realize that aside from this board and MYGNR and the other hardcore GNR fansites, the demos haven't really gotten a good reception. Most radio stations joked about how horrible IRS was and I remember a DJ on the Los Angeles station reading all the hatemail on the air and saying something like, "We only played it because it's GNR, but we're not playing it anymore"

Now on the other hand, VR scored two #1 hits on the rock charts, and was able to bridge a gap between 80's rock fans and modern rock fans, and gained tons of new fans onto the already loyal fans that they kept.

Axl might be a better songwriter than Scott Weiland, but that doesn't necessarily mean the music is going to be better.

VR fans seem to be threatened by these new songs for some reason...


I like VR, but there is no way you can even compare the two bands. GNR sound like nothing else out there right now. And that's a good thing. Not everyone is going to like it, but its still "better" than anything I've heard from VR or any other big name out there right now.

Do you really measure good music by album sales?

[manny]

Ok Slash,Duff, Izzy, Steven, and everyone else that used to be in GNR........... would you guys please quit posting under fake names and creating threads about how bad the record might be!!

The new Guns is gonna kick the shit out of anything VR done, and that's all there is to it.

I truely hope so... I'm a Guns fan first so anything with the name Guns N' Roses (whether it should be there or not) I'll support.
Plus if Axl + friends hae success maybe Slash and co will get jealous and want a reunion.

I doubt that Guns will have anymore success then Velvet after the inital hype dies down and everyone realizes that it's not actually GN'R. I just can't see it... Velvet Revolver have been the most succesfull Hard rock group of the 00's... And because of the fact that a bunch 12 year old girls decide whats popular now-a-days I can't see any Hard Rock band being more succesfull then VR.

I was as pumped for the VR album, but it was a dissapointment. And honestly do you think the lyrics to "Fall to pieces" are at the level of Axl. Comparing those lyrics to say, CITR is beyond silly. I think many VR who are GNR fans are starting to realize that if Axl becomes successful a chance for a reunion goes down the tiolet. VR is a nice band, but your not being honest if you say that their work stacks up with what we've heard so far.

[jameslofton29]

VR fans seem to be threatened by these new songs for some reason...

You just hit the nail on the head. In fact, if you'll go check out the VR section, there's not as much activity there lately. Why? Because they're in this section insulting GNR and bashing these new demos. Now that it looks like the VR well is drying up, they got to come here and try to poison our well.

[stranger2U]

VR fans seem to be threatened by these new songs for some reason...

You just hit the nail on the head. In fact, if you'll go check out the VR section, there's not as much activity there lately. Why? Because they're in this section insulting GNR and bashing these new demos. Now that it looks like the VR well is drying up, they got to come here and try to poison our well.

VR has fans?

[da_pope]

I was as pumped for the VR album, but it was a dissapointment. And honestly do you think the lyrics to "Fall to pieces" are at the level of Axl. Comparing those lyrics to say, CITR is beyond silly. I think many VR who are GNR fans are starting to realize that if Axl becomes successful a chance for a reunion goes down the tiolet. VR is a nice band, but your not being honest if you say that their work stacks up with what we've heard so far.

Again... In my mind it's Melody > Lyrics.
In my mind the work of VR is better then the demos besides "I.R.S." and maybe "Better".
And like I said before it's becasue Axl is trying to be to much like a composer and not enough rocker, You might say that he's grown up but look at Slash... The guy has a family and is clean yet he still writes hard rocking tunes. It also might because none of the Guitar solo's in the demo even compares to Slash's work in fucking  Velvet Revolver, nevermind the solo's he wrote while in Guns. Buckethead is a shredder and a shredder will definetly not fit in with the style Axl's going for (it is Bucket thats on these tracks right?).

So ya... Don't think I'm not a Axl fan or anything I just prefer Velvet Revolver's style over Axl's style... I still buy the record and see them in concert but ya...

[Crashdiet]

I just went back and reread the rolling stone article from 99. and all the leaks with the exception of 'better' are mentioned in that article.

I don't think  these demo's are going to be anything like what the final product will be. IRS and better doesn't even have back up vocals on it.

I honestly wouldn't read to much into these.... those demo's could be like 6-7 years old.... thats along way from finished.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

Criticism, and personal musical opinions are fine.? But, let me just say this:? how FUCKING DESPERATE IS ONE, THAT THEY SEND THEIR MATT SORUM (POSER) STREET TEAM HERE TO TRASH AXL??? This thread is a joke!? People in the music business, and other musicians will tell you this:? the songs sound different than old GNR, but after a few spins,? they are brilliant!? It was cool to trash Axl five years ago, it ain't flying now.? The music speaks volumes!? Slash and Duff made a mistake.? Sorry VR street team, your fake band made one album, now they are done.? This is something so much deeper, and more organic than anything you can even comprehend--I hope Sorum can take you to unprecedented levels.? Of what, I don't know.?

[manny]

Criticism, and personal musical opinions are fine.? But, let me just say this:? how FUCKING DESPERATE IS ONE, THAT THEY SEND THERE STREET TEAM HERE TO TRASH AXL??? This thread is a joke!? People in the music business, and other musicians will tell you this:? the songs sound different than old GNR, but after a few spins,? they are brilliant.?

GO BACK TO THE VR BOARDS, AND GET THE FRICKIN NEEDLE OUT OF YOUR ARM.? RCA SUCKS!!

Maybe the dude is really a harcore VR fan. Thats fine, its his opinion. However, this comparison is silly. The music, lyrics, and melodies are at Contraband can't touch. The solo in TWAT and IRS is IMO better than anything off of Contraband.

[Democratized Canuck]

Lesser Hopes?  You have to be kidding.  The songs I've heard have only increased my optimism.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

Chinese Democracy by the leaked tracks so far are some of the  best songs released over the past ten years easily.
Id take some of the new songs over a lot of the AFD songs. If  you want to compare here goes.


CD > You're crazy
riyadh > anything goes
The blues > my michelle
Madagascar > Think about you
IRS > out ta get me
Better > rocket queen
TWAT > night train
CITR  >  its so easy


So thus far the demos and live songs stack up very well against AFD and they are just demos

[alexh0618]

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR. It seems like you have to hate and rip-on one to like the other. Why can't people just put the fucking camparing shit to rest. VR and GNR are two different bands with two different kinds of sounds with two different kinds of songwriters. Of course they will each be unique and not always appeal to everyone, but you have to take it for what it is. VR is a rock band that tries to stay true to its roots, and GNR is a band that so far, seems to venture a little bit out of rock and dabble in other kinds of music genres. There is nothing to really compare between the two. They make different kinds of music. I am personally a big fan of both and enjoy both side's material. It's a shame that people who may not like VR or GNR tend to give people shit that do.

Better > rocket queen
TWAT > night train

  

[manny]

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR.

Because Contraband sucked

[alexh0618]

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR.

Because Contraband sucked

?
Well if Axl made it, it would be awesome.? ?

[manny]

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR.

Because Contraband sucked

?
Well if Axl made it, it would be awesome.? ?

Only because he would've told Matt, Slash and Duff what to do and how they should play. And he would have written lyrics more complicated than a Kelly Clarkson song (nothing against kelly)

[Minneapolisnewsman]

I just don't get these people that either hate Axl and co. or hate VR. It seems like you have to hate and rip-on one to like the other. Why can't people just put the fucking camparing shit to rest. VR and GNR are two different bands with two different kinds of sounds with two different kinds of songwriters. Of course they will each be unique and not always appeal to everyone, but you have to take it for what it is. VR is a rock band that tries to stay true to its roots, and GNR is a band that so far, seems to venture a little bit out of rock and dabble in other kinds of music genres. There is nothing to really compare between the two. They make different kinds of music. I am personally a big fan of both and enjoy both side's material. It's a shame that people who may not like VR or GNR tend to give people shit that do.

I actually like VR, I just don't like slimeballs sent to this board to start crap. ?I must note, though, that VR has recently stated they are making a "DANCE" album. ?Take it for what it's worth. ?Listen to the new GNR stuff, and try to tell me that Slash and Duff left because of musical reasons? ? Or that Axl shying away from these guy's during the 92/93 leg of the Illusions tour was because he was an egotistical maniac. ?Has it ever occured to you, that these guy's were so frickin blasted, for three straight years, that it was impossible to make music with them or try to hang with them? ?I think it's clear, Axl had to stay away, to keep GNR together in a way. ?If Axl was not there, the 92 tour would have been dead before it happened. ?From what I hear, these guy's made Keith Moon look like a saint. ?

Izzy and Axl were the old GNR. ?Izzy left, Axl stayed and went mad.

[gnr_12]

oK... wow.. some people in here are SO stupid.. When Queen made songs which were "epics" and over 7 minutes who complained? Bohemian Rhapsody..  umm tell me... whats wrong with it? Great vocals.. Great solo... whats wrong? its a long song.. what THE FUCK IS WRONG? exactly.. so whats wrong with estranged? November Rain? Man.. im glad these songs are long.. because i listen to them over and over anyways.. some of you fuck on here are so ungrateful for Axl Rose.. When the man stops making music entirely.. the worlds gonna miss him. And you know what guys.. Your right.. TWATS chorus is shit.. but .. heres my latest theory..

Axl Released the leaks.

Why?

Because these are his songs which he intends on having as his best. He put them out here for us to critique them. He let them out so the True GNR fans, and fake ones, could put in their insight... which will let him re master it, and release it to what people expect.. Which i dont think sounds crazy at all.. if anything its genious... because we all know.. when a new product comes out, a lot of research is done before its put out....

Axls doing research.. and we are all the subjects...

all i can say is.. if im right.. Touche' axl.. ure a fuckin genious... this album is going to be the best album of all time..

as for it being too much of a chopin like. well dude u dont like it..

This one goes out for all the fans who supported GNR through the years...

And all those oppose...

Well...

GET IN THE RING MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bubba St. Rose]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

That has to be a fucking joke. You are either closed minded, or have no taste to make such a statement. Or you are just really young and dont really get the mature lyrics that Axl writes.

Actually really could careless about the Lyrics aslong as they have some depth. Melody is the most important thing for a singer and Axl did an awsome job with IRS but really fucked up with TWAT's chorus and Catcher In The Rye is to boring for me... Better is good but I have yet to hear the whole version so I won't make a judgement on that yet.

I can GARUNTEE if it we're Guns who released Slither and VR who released the Leaks that you'd be saying the exact same thing as me. Your more close minded based on that seeing how you care more about a name then the music.

Okay, slash. Whatever. You obviously... ah, not even worth it.

[da_pope]

Ok... Some of you are retarted.

- To the guy accusing me of being from a VR board I'm not... This is the only music related fourm I'm apart of.
- To those of you saying I'm some close minded, die hard, Velvet fan... I'm not. I just like there style ALOT more. An album with a thousand watered down versions of November Rain doesn't interest me.
- To the Guy comparing AFD to these leakes and claiming they're better. You're an idiot and probably some Die hard Buckethead or Robin Fink fan who will do anything to show that he thinks they are better then Slash. I mean seriously. Not one of the songs even compare to anything of AFD.
- To the guy saying that no one had a problem with Queen writing epics well back then Radio was alot friendlier to that kind of stuff.
- To the guy comparing the solos from the leaks to the stuff on Contraband... ARE YOU KIDDING!? None of the leaks have solos that are; Faster then Dirty Little Thing (I don't consider Tapping to be speed), More Emotional the Fall To Pieces or Just fucking rock harder then Slither.
- And I said this about a thousand times... I'm a Guns Fan... I'm pulling for this Album! I just think out of the Leaked songs the singles of Contraband (Plus Sucker Train Blues) are better... Some of you can't accept the fact that something you've been waiting for for the majority of the time I've been alive isn't as great as you expected.

Peace.

[manny]

Ok... Some of you are retarted.

- To the guy accusing me of being from a VR board I'm not... This is the only music related fourm I'm apart of.
- To those of you saying I'm some close minded, die hard, Velvet fan... I'm not. I just like there style ALOT more. An album with a thousand watered down versions of November Rain doesn't interest me.
- To the Guy comparing AFD to these leakes and claiming they're better. You're an idiot and probably some Die hard Buckethead or Robin Fink fan who will do anything to show that he thinks they are better then Slash. I mean seriously. Not one of the songs even compare to anything of AFD.
- To the guy saying that no one had a problem with Queen writing epics well back then Radio was alot friendlier to that kind of stuff.
- To the guy comparing the solos from the leaks to the stuff on Contraband... ARE YOU KIDDING!? None of the leaks have solos that are; Faster then Dirty Little Thing (I don't consider Tapping to be speed), More Emotional the Fall To Pieces or Just fucking rock harder then Slither.
- And I said this about a thousand times... I'm a Guns Fan... I'm pulling for this Album! I just think out of the Leaked songs the singles of Contraband (Plus Sucker Train Blues) are better... Some of you can't accept the fact that something you've been waiting for for the majority of the time I've been alive isn't as great as you expected.

Peace.

The only person saying it wont be as good as expected is you and the VR fans who secretly wish for a reunion.

[McDuff]

I think the album will be awesome,I don't think Axl has been sitting on his ass all of these years just to give us a piece of shit album.