Lesser hopes for CD's release

[axls#2]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

That has to be a fucking joke. You are either closed minded, or have no taste to make such a statement. Or you are just really young and dont really get the mature lyrics that Axl writes.

Actually really could careless about the Lyrics aslong as they have some depth. Melody is the most important thing for a singer and Axl did an awsome job with IRS but really fucked up with TWAT's chorus and Catcher In The Rye is to boring for me... Better is good but I have yet to hear the whole version so I won't make a judgement on that yet.

I can GARUNTEE if it we're Guns who released Slither and VR who released the Leaks that you'd be saying the exact same thing as me. Your more close minded based on that seeing how you care more about a name then the music.

Your just wrong.  I love all the old members, but imo,  Better blows the shit out of Slither.  And if anything, I think the vocals were the worst on I.R.S (even though I still liked them)  The vocal melodies on the rest of the leaks are insanely good compared to I.R.S

[Tyson]

 My expectations have gone way down people.  To be completely honest, after hearing these leaks, excluding IRS, I'm not even really dying to hear the whole thing anymore.  I feel this 'new direction' Axl is trying to take is quite depressing and alienating his fan base.  We'll  have to see though, I hope I'm wrong!

[WhosGilby?]

I still have faith

[misterID]

From what I can tell the majority of people here (with higher than double digit post counts) are excited about the new songs.

I listened to the songs with a very critical ear, and I am a music snob, and I have to say after listening to them I don't even want to listen to the old Guns songs anymore. The new ones are incredible. I do want to hear some harder songs though.

As for the music critics: Nothing will ever live up to 10 years of anticipation.

[axls#2]

My expectations have gone way down people.? To be completely honest, after hearing these leaks, excluding IRS, I'm not even really dying to hear the whole thing anymore.? I feel this 'new direction' Axl is trying to take is quite depressing and alienating his fan base.? We'll? have to see though, I hope I'm wrong!

Alienating the fan base? ?HTGTH is a pretty large chunck of new Gn'r database and I think are pretty much representative of Gn'rs fan base as a whole and from what I have been hearing it's pretty much a 90/10 split in favor of the new shit. ? Not to mention that alot of notorious Axl bashers have even said that they really like the new shit. ?Something else you need to consider when forming your expectations is that we have no clue if these are even the cream of the crop. ?The song that you mentioned liking is supposedly not even among the top 10 songs according to Merck. ?And if after hearing four demos you have already concluded that you don't want to hear the album anymore, chances are that you are not that big of a fan of GN'R to begin with. ?

[Krispy Kreme]

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

'Rocking the planet' was obvious hyperbole. So people have become more realistic.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

i'm pretty sure i won't be disappointed by CD. i know that axl is a genious and i trust him in giving us the best music he can. i can only repeat myself in saying that this record is going to be a fucking masterpiece. no words can describe how much i want this album.

[sandman]

if axl wrote "fall to pieces", some people on these boards would be calling it the greatest song ever.

i like the leaked songs, but my expectations have dropped significantly.

still waiting to hear something even close to the level of AFD.....

"where's izzy?"

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

"where's izzy?"

he's in slash's ass

[misterID]

if axl wrote "fall to pieces", some people on these boards would be calling it the greatest song ever.

i like the leaked songs, but my expectations have dropped significantly.

still waiting to hear something even close to the level of AFD.....

"where's izzy?"

Fall to pieces? Its a good song but nothing special. I dig it coming from VR but if Axl made that song I'd hate it. That's why its not a good idea to compare two very different singer/songwriters.

I do have a suggestion: Go listen to AFD again and... You'll be listening to AFD again.

[da_pope]

if axl wrote "fall to pieces", some people on these boards would be calling it the greatest song ever.

THANK YOU!!!
You see I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Axl is trying to be to much like fucking Mozart.
When I listen to someone claiming to be Guns I wanna fucking get pumped and just rock out. Not be put to sleep by a 9 minute orchastrel masterpiece.

IRS is the only one out of all of those that I turely like... TWAT would be good to if it weren't for it's awful chorus.

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

well then guns is definetely the wrong band for you, cause you must have missed the uyi albums.

[ZRO]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

Ok, what ever

I don't understand what's so funny about this. You guys need to realize that aside from this board and MYGNR and the other hardcore GNR fansites, the demos haven't really gotten a good reception. Most radio stations joked about how horrible IRS was and I remember a DJ on the Los Angeles station reading all the hatemail on the air and saying something like, "We only played it because it's GNR, but we're not playing it anymore"

Now on the other hand, VR scored two #1 hits on the rock charts, and was able to bridge a gap between 80's rock fans and modern rock fans, and gained tons of new fans onto the already loyal fans that they kept.

Axl might be a better songwriter than Scott Weiland, but that doesn't necessarily mean the music is going to be better.

[SWINGTRADER]

The people that are bashing the songs ? are those metal heads ?that hated Axl in his prime. ?Those people will never change their minds. ?I have been to several message boards including ?(U2, Metallica, ?metal sludge etc) ?and it has been positive. the U2 fans were raving about it ?and can't wait for axl to return. ?The metallica board was 75% favorable ?that was a shock to me ? i thought they would be vicious. ? In visiting many message boards ?there have been alot of " I listened to these songs ready to bash them ?but i was utterly surprised" ? " I can't believe I am saying this ?but these are pretty good" ? " I've been bashing this album ?for yrs ?but the songs aren't that bad ?maybe Axl will prove me wrong" ? " I wasn't going to spend my money on this album ?but after listening to the leaks ?I think I'm going to buy it ". ? There are alot of people that are interested in this album , it's up to Axl to make sure this record doesn't suck. ? Axl is the most hated rock star in the world ?but he is also one of the most loved. ?Axl is a magnificent rockstar ?there are always going to be people that are jealous. ?

[da_pope]

The people that are bashing the songs ? are those metal heads ?that hated Axl in his prime. ?Those people will never change their minds. ?I have been to several message boards including ?(U2, Metallica, ?metal sludge etc) ?and it has been positive. the U2 fans were raving about it ?and can't wait for axl to return. ?The metallica board was 75% favorable ?that was a shock to me ? i thought they would be vicious. ? In visiting many message boards ?there have been alot of " I listened to these songs ready to bash them ?but i was utterly surprised" ? " I can't believe I am saying this ?but these are pretty good" ? " I've been bashing this album ?for yrs ?but the songs aren't that bad ?maybe Axl will prove me wrong" ? " I wasn't going to spend my money on this album ?but after listening to the leaks ?I think I'm going to buy it ". ? There are alot of people that are interested in this album , it's up to Axl to make sure this record doesn't suck. ? Axl is the most hated rock star in the world ?but he is also one of the most loved. ?Axl is a magnificent rockstar ?there are always going to be people that are jealous. ?

I hope you weren't reffering to me on that.
Because I love Axl in the 87-93 era... He just went a little nuts and decided that he's the second coming of Chopin and needs to turn every song into a 7 minute epic.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

remember, these songs are DEMOS. They are not mixed perfectly & some songs may be a little different than what we are hearing in their final versions.

[Crashdiet]

if axl wrote "fall to pieces", some people on these boards would be calling it the greatest song ever.

THANK YOU!!!
You see I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Axl is trying to be to much like fucking Mozart.
When I listen to someone claiming to be Guns I wanna fucking get pumped and just rock out. Not be put to sleep by a 9 minute orchastrel masterpiece.

IRS is the only one out of all of those that I turely like... TWAT would be good to if it weren't for it's awful chorus.

then don't listen to it

Personally I'm still very optimistic about the new material. I love it all with the slight exception of IRS... which just doesn't grab me. BUT i still hope axl has those 'big guns' he talked about because everything i've heard thus far is on par with stuff like estranged, coma, civil war... but with a great modern element. I still have great hope in the potential but thus far he hasn't earned to retake his throne in rock n roll legacy. But he could...

[stranger2U]

Ok Slash,Duff, Izzy, Steven, and everyone else that used to be in GNR........... would you guys please quit posting under fake names and creating threads about how bad the record might be!!

The new Guns is gonna kick the shit out of anything VR done, and that's all there is to it.

[manny]

To be honest I think the demos we've heard so far are better than most of the Illusions. With the exception's of Coma, NR, Estranged, The Garden, YCBM, and Don't Cry I think the new material I like the new material better than any of the other songs.

[da_pope]

Ok Slash,Duff, Izzy, Steven, and everyone else that used to be in GNR........... would you guys please quit posting under fake names and creating threads about how bad the record might be!!

The new Guns is gonna kick the shit out of anything VR done, and that's all there is to it.

I truely hope so... I'm a Guns fan first so anything with the name Guns N' Roses (whether it should be there or not) I'll support.
Plus if Axl + friends hae success maybe Slash and co will get jealous and want a reunion.

I doubt that Guns will have anymore success then Velvet after the inital hype dies down and everyone realizes that it's not actually GN'R. I just can't see it... Velvet Revolver have been the most succesfull Hard rock group of the 00's... And because of the fact that a bunch 12 year old girls decide whats popular now-a-days I can't see any Hard Rock band being more succesfull then VR.