Lesser hopes for CD's release

[phi_kai_phi]

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

[da_pope]

Well... I guess people realized how incredibly hard it would be for a hard rock/metal group to succed in the mainstream.

[mikegiuliana]

to me it's simple enough saying how many people make comebacks and rule the world again... I jus tthink cd will be a well rounded album with a variety for the fans but not something that is going to change the face of music..

[phi_kai_phi]

It would be hard for a hard rock group to change popular music trends.... ?but regardless...
As a group starts they tend to have lots of 'hooks' to get people's attention, like Appetite for Destuction had.

Later on, groups get more artistic because they don't have to worry about the record company's influence as much. ?This happened for GN'R even in the UYI's and based on the recent demos it seems even moreso. ?

Groups that don't go for those hooks don't make comebacks like aerosmith. ?
After hearing the demos... my impression is that although I may love it, the general public won't.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I am just hoping we get it. ?I think it will be extremely criticized due to how long it took to come out. ? I agree..I love it but I don't think the general public will.

[stranger2U]

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

Dude, I don't know what you've been reading, but the stuff I've seen, people have been VERY happy and optimistic about the new stuff. ?

I don't know about you people, but hearing the new stuff has made me realize that it was always Axl that I liked the most about that band. ?For the longest, I thought Slash was the main reason (he was great by the way), but after the Velvet Revolver debut, I didn't even buy it. ?I got to listen to it when VH1 had the "you hear it first" thing, and I was not impressed.

Point is, the new shit is awesome, and if they release it at 4 o'clock in the morning on a Monday, I would be in line to buy it. ?So, I really don't see where you think the lack of enthusiasm comes from.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I remember that a few years ago many on this board would say "When CD comes out it's going to rock the planet!!!" and that it's going to be the best album ever.? As tracks have been leaked out I hear much less optimism: some people have posted that "it'll be at least as good as the worst half of UYI... which is still awesome."?

What happened to that optimism?? (Is it still there?? Have people decided to "be realistic"?? Or is the material just not good enough to imply that the album will be 'earth-shattering'?)

Have your opinions changed?? (How do you think the album will be after hearing the demos?)

__kai__

Dude, I don't know what you've been reading, but the stuff I've seen, people have been VERY happy and optimistic about the new stuff. ?

I don't know about you people, but hearing the new stuff has made me realize that it was always Axl that I liked the most about that band. ?For the longest, I thought Slash was the main reason (he was great by the way), but after the Velvet Revolver debut, I didn't even buy it. ?I got to listen to it when VH1 had the "you hear it first" thing, and I was not impressed.

Point is, the new shit is awesome, and if they release it at 4 o'clock in the morning on a Monday, I would be in line to buy it. ?So, I really don't see where you think the lack of enthusiasm comes from.

For us yes, we love the songs...but if you read what other people are saying about the leaks...they are extremely critical. 

[da_pope]

I don't know about you people, but hearing the new stuff has made me realize that it was always Axl that I liked the most about that band. ?For the longest, I thought Slash was the main reason (he was great by the way), but after the Velvet Revolver debut, I didn't even buy it. ?I got to listen to it when VH1 had the "you hear it first" thing, and I was not impressed.

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces... Hell I even think Dirty Little Thing and Sucker Train Blues beat all of them except for IRS...
But whatever, To each his own.

[phi_kai_phi]

I think that in terms of sales though... "Guns N' Roses" will sell way more albums than "Velvet Revolver." 
It's kindof sad though... of course we all have the best hopes for GNR but realistically it doesn't seem the masses will love it like the fans will.

We'll get our personal victory when it comes out... but it's always fun to have everyone else join in on something you think is awesome.... and to say "I told you so."

[jameslofton29]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

That has to be a fucking joke. You are either closed minded, or have no taste to make such a statement. Or you are just really young and dont really get the mature lyrics that Axl writes.

[Freya]

Yikes. ?I won't comment on the VR comparison. ?I think if it ever comes out Axl will get very good critical reviews for the album. ?What people are saying now, you have to take with a grain of salt considering who he is and the hoopla around his long absence. ?

From what I've heard, he's definitely on the right track, and time will be kind to Chinese Democracy. ?VR? ?Not so much.

[phi_kai_phi]

From what I've heard, he's definitely on the right track, and time will be kind to Chinese Democracy. ?VR? ?Not so much.

That's a good point.  I mentioned he's getting more artsy and usually time is better to art than VR's experiments.  The only advantage about VR is that as opposed to axl's GN'R, VR is a new band.    As a new band, they can have a few chances at making kick ass albums.  Axl really one has one shot to make it or break it.

[da_pope]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

That has to be a fucking joke. You are either closed minded, or have no taste to make such a statement. Or you are just really young and dont really get the mature lyrics that Axl writes.

Actually really could careless about the Lyrics aslong as they have some depth. Melody is the most important thing for a singer and Axl did an awsome job with IRS but really fucked up with TWAT's chorus and Catcher In The Rye is to boring for me... Better is good but I have yet to hear the whole version so I won't make a judgement on that yet.

I can GARUNTEE if it we're Guns who released Slither and VR who released the Leaks that you'd be saying the exact same thing as me. Your more close minded based on that seeing how you care more about a name then the music.

[Luigi]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

Ok, what ever

[destroier]

I think it's better than UYI from what we've heard so far. Can't really compare it to AFD as they're too different.

[phi_kai_phi]

I think it's better than UYI from what we've heard so far. Can't really compare it to AFD as they're too different.

Maybe if you cover your ears during the TWAT chorus 

[da_pope]

I think it's better than UYI from what we've heard so far. Can't really compare it to AFD as they're too different.

You've Got To Be Kidding!!!!
Did I miss something!?

[Sam]

None of these leaked songs come close to Slither or Fall to Pieces...

That deserves a " "

[stranger2U]

One major factor here folks................. Age demographic.

All of you younger Guns fans are probably scratchin' your head to some of the new stuff. ?On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that the older Guns fans are very excited about the style Axl is throwin out these days. ?

Another thing............ For those who thought it was gonna be another AFD, you were kidding yourself. ?Axl is over 40 now, and he would like like a total fool trying to act like he was when he was in his 20's. ?Give him a break people. ?Alot of things have changed since the heroin using, alcohol abusing, dope smoking wild days that were back in the late 80's. ?He's grown up, and more mellow now. ?What did you really expect?

These songs are just fine, and CD will be a huge success!!!! ?Bank on it.

[jameslofton29]

I can GARUNTEE if it we're Guns who released Slither and VR who released the Leaks that you'd be saying the exact same thing as me. Your more close minded based on that seeing how you care more about a name then the music.

What a bullshit response. Most of the people here are honest, and open minded enough to like something regardless of the name attached to the music, the exception being a few Axl lovers and a shitload of VR freaks. Dont bother responding or quoting this post. I'm not responding to your shit anymore.