Leaked Guns N' Roses songs reviewed, By DARRYL STERDAN - Winnipeg Sun

[Doc Emmett Brown]

The verses -- with Axl bitching about (all together now) a woman who done him wrong

ouch...that was the harshest part - criticizing his lyrical ability as being self-centered. 

The thing is, I never interpret his lyrics as being about some woman, it means more to me than that.  But it's all in the ears of the beholder, I guess. 

I havent heard CITR but  I hope the lyrics lend themselves to a more serious interpretation than some woman done him wrong.

[The Dog]

Final Verdict: Not bad -- but not worth waiting a decade for.

I think that's the conclusion wich most of the non gnr fan/journalists will come to

As if those non gnr fans and journalists had waited for a decade. 

I think the story of Axl's isolation from the rest of the world for the past decade is well known between die hards and non gnr fans alike...we prob know a bit more of the story and whats been going on, but the basics are shared between both groups.

I think a good comparison for CD is the new star wars movies.  There are casual SW fans and then the super geeks.  After what, 20 years+?? people finally get new star wars movies, only to find that they sucked ass.  Are they compared to the old stuff? yup.  Were expectations REALLY high?  you bet.  Were die hards and casual fans alike both saying, we waited 20 years for Jar Jar Binks?!?!?!?  yes.  AND, just like with the die hard GNR fans, there are/were plenty of SW fans who think no matter what the movies are amazing, simply b/c its SW.

[conny]

Reading press' reviews, please remember a simple thing:

It's an individual's opinion.

That opinion is supposed to shape and influecne the opinion of the masses.

However, just because someone earns his money as a JOURNALIST, it does not mean he knows more about music than anyone else. In fact, I think only MUSICIANS can really afford to praise or bash or criticise someone else's music at all, if ever.

Most 'music journalists' have yet to verify their qualification to me because I can't find it in 99% of the crap that pops out of their keyboards. Most of them focus on jerking off to look smart and make it an entertaining read, rather than providing a real REVIEW for the reader.

Today, there are about as many GOOD music journalists out there as there is GOOD rock music out there.

Remember that when the reviews for CD begin.

It's not worth arguing, not worth writing letters to the authors, not worth nothing.

Listen to the music and if you like it recommend it to your friends. That helps more than one stupid letter to an even more stupid editor.

[Continental Drift]

CITR seems to have absolutely nothing to do with women...

And anyone who doesn't dig a "women have done me wrong" theme might as well throw all their Sinatra cd's out the window....

PS The new Star Wars movies were weak EXCEPT for Revenge of the Sith.... I actually prefer it to Return of the Jedi.

[killingvector]

IRS isn't about a woman either. It is very definately about Slash.

[TWT]

Poor Axl, after all the leaks, he's now going to have to give serious consideration to leaving Chinese Democracy's centerpiece, the 20-minute epic Woman Done Me Wrong, off the album.

[oneway23]

HannaHat, I think the Star Wars parallel is a perfect example

[The Dog]

HannaHat, I think the Star Wars parallel is a perfect example

it truly truly is...i think its an analogy that everyone can relate to and have an opinion on.  Too add to it, my nieces and nephews LOVED the new movies and my brother who is a teacher said the kids in his class think the movies are insanely good.

SO people who never heard GNR before might not have high expectations, but those of us who have been waiting forever are going to, and we're also going to compare......

both trilogies had different effects, different actors, different story lines
both GNR's have different sounds, different members

[blues rocker]

HannaHat, I think the Star Wars parallel is a perfect example

it truly truly is...i think its an analogy that everyone can relate to and have an opinion on.? Too add to it, my nieces and nephews LOVED the new movies and my brother who is a teacher said the kids in his class think the movies are insanely good.

SO people who never heard GNR before might not have high expectations, but those of us who have been waiting forever are going to, and we're also going to compare......

both trilogies had different effects, different actors, different story lines
both GNR's have different sounds, different members

true...but I think everyone would agree that the new star wars movies blow huge asscrack....hopefully gnr won't be like star wars in that sense

[AxlFink]

is irs about a girl?  it didnt seem like it to me but i guess i could be wrong.

[ppbebe]

I think the story of Axl's isolation from the rest of the world for the past decade is well known between die hards and non gnr fans alike...we prob know a bit more of the story and whats been going on, but the basics are shared between both groups.

Polly you're right If you're talking about only North America.
In the outside world great many of non GNR fans don't even know about GNR.

Anyways My point was that
when they haven't waited for it but just get it when it's readily available, what does it matter to them whether it's worth waiting for a decade or a week? None of their bloody concern.
Whether it's worth listening or not is all that matters.

See the Beethoven comparison at the bottom of the first page. His No3, No5 No9 have waited for you for like 20 decades.

I'm a casual SW fan and I haven't even known the length of the intervals. that's not important as whether they're worth seeing.

BTW to appreciate a new album,  I think, you don't have to know the previous works of the band beforehand unlike with SW.

[WeHeldTogether]

Great review.  I liked the "how some woman done him wrong" part. 

[steviebucket]

On this "women done him wrong" crap... i don't get this, Axl should be writing about what's most important to his life and psyche, that's what art is used for, to express what affects you, and if this has affected him that much to have to write a bunch of songs about it, let it be - i would rather him write about a redundant subject with full cotent than write about something that may be more appealing to what gnr used to be about. i wanna hear what's been going on in Axl's life thru this album, and the very real pain of heart break and love is compelling enough for me ... more compelling to Axl than politics, fame, sunset strip drugs parties, that all seems pretty shallow, that's been done with AFD, that was his life then, now i wanna be let in on his life now. and it's the hurt of love - i don't think that should be criticized, oh because he didn't write what some pompous journalist wanted to hear, oh well, fuckoff.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I guess this reviewer would rather hear a 40 year old man sing about getting high, drunk and laid. *sarcasm*

[speed_stone]

how can he conclude "not worth waiting for" and risk alienating potential buyers when he hasn't even heard the record? pathetic.

[misterID]

On this "women done him wrong" crap... i don't get this, Axl should be writing about what's most important to his life and psyche, that's what art is used for, to express what affects you, and if this has affected him that much to have to write a bunch of songs about it, let it be - i would rather him write about a redundant subject with full cotent than write about something that may be more appealing to what gnr used to be about. i wanna hear what's been going on in Axl's life thru this album, and the very real pain of heart break and love is compelling enough for me ... more compelling to Axl than politics, fame, sunset strip drugs parties, that all seems pretty shallow, that's been done with AFD, that was his life then, now i wanna be let in on his life now. and it's the hurt of love - i don't think that should be criticized, oh because he didn't write what some pompous journalist wanted to hear, oh well, fuckoff.

Good post. Dave's point too. I think there are a few people here at this board who should really read the post above. Also, people were bitching about the same thing when the Illusion albums came out that their bitching about the new songs.

[steviebucket]

Well he is in Canada right? 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

On this "women done him wrong" crap... i don't get this, Axl should be writing about what's most important to his life and psyche, that's what art is used for, to express what affects you, and if this has affected him that much to have to write a bunch of songs about it, let it be - i would rather him write about a redundant subject with full cotent than write about something that may be more appealing to what gnr used to be about. i wanna hear what's been going on in Axl's life thru this album, and the very real pain of heart break and love is compelling enough for me ... more compelling to Axl than politics, fame, sunset strip drugs parties, that all seems pretty shallow, that's been done with AFD, that was his life then, now i wanna be let in on his life now. and it's the hurt of love - i don't think that should be criticized, oh because he didn't write what some pompous journalist wanted to hear, oh well, fuckoff.

Good post. Dave's point too. I think there are a few people here at this board who should really read the post above. Also, people were bitching about the same thing when the Illusion albums came out that their bitching about the new songs.

Right Axl is not 20 anymore he is not going to sing about the same things, he is now singing about the old band, Steph, Champman and other things.  When 40 year olds sing about drugs, getting drunk and high they sound like idiots and get bashed for it. Now if Axl had a song over overcoming H addiction when he was younger that is different, but IRS is about slash, I agree with that. TWAT could be about his mother for all we know because it was said to be about his childhood abuse before we heard it.

[misterID]

On this "women done him wrong" crap... i don't get this, Axl should be writing about what's most important to his life and psyche, that's what art is used for, to express what affects you, and if this has affected him that much to have to write a bunch of songs about it, let it be - i would rather him write about a redundant subject with full cotent than write about something that may be more appealing to what gnr used to be about. i wanna hear what's been going on in Axl's life thru this album, and the very real pain of heart break and love is compelling enough for me ... more compelling to Axl than politics, fame, sunset strip drugs parties, that all seems pretty shallow, that's been done with AFD, that was his life then, now i wanna be let in on his life now. and it's the hurt of love - i don't think that should be criticized, oh because he didn't write what some pompous journalist wanted to hear, oh well, fuckoff.

Good post. Dave's point too. I think there are a few people here at this board who should really read the post above. Also, people were bitching about the same thing when the Illusion albums came out that their bitching about the new songs.

Right Axl is not 20 anymore he is not going to sing about the same things, he is now singing about the old band, Steph, Champman and other things.? When 40 year olds sing about drugs, getting drunk and high they sound like idiots and get bashed for it. Now if Axl had a song over overcoming H addiction when he was younger that is different, but IRS is about slash, I agree with that. TWAT could be about his mother for all we know because it was said to be about his childhood abuse before we heard it.

There is nothing more sad than seeing a rockstar trying to be who they once were. He'd be a terrible joke.

Chris Cornell is a perfect example of a rockstar maturing and becoming an even better singer/song writer with age. Chris is my favorite singer and songwriter ever. And I love Bad Motor Finger, but if he was still trying to make those kind of albums it would be boring and lame. Audioslave is lightyears beyond what Soundgarden did. Even the depth of the songwriting, though its based on two main themes: God and how a woman did him wrong

[SOLGER]

I cant care less about this cunts review....and Sympathy for the DEVIL is the shhit!!!! rocks more than the original.