Did axl achieve his goal with UYI 1 and 2 ?

[ryan_of_lax]

The lyrics on Use Your Illusion blow most things on Appetite away.
Except for older songs like Back Off Bitch... Those lyrics are laughable.

I think that overall, the Illusions are BETTER than Appetite. The lyrics are better, the playing is better, the songs themselves are better constructed.

But still, technicality aside, Appetite had a theme and a purpose. And its history affects a lot of people's opinions. Anyone around in '88 most definitely has some great GNR memories. Not memories of backup singers, biker shorts and dolphins.

[oldgunsfan]

my take on the lyrics would be they were written at different points in his life which reflect that growth

can't write a song about starving in the street wen your a multi-millionaire

I will say, you may think so but alot of critics thought AFD blew the Illusions out of the water.......too much filler on the Illusions

again, not my opinion. 

personally, i thouht AFD was more raw emotion, Illusions, more complex emotion

for what it's worth

[metallex78]

my take on the lyrics would be they were written at different points in his life which reflect that growth

can't write a song about starving in the street wen your a multi-millionaire

I will say, you may think so but alot of critics thought AFD blew the Illusions out of the water.......too much filler on the Illusions

again, not my opinion.?

personally, i thouht AFD was more raw emotion, Illusions, more complex emotion

for what it's worth

Yeah I agree.

It is all subjective, I don't see any filler on UYI, of course I am biased though

[Deadfeat]

Well I think that AFD perfetly captures the time that it was released. While listening to AFD today it is still raw and come out you full steam ahead, but I think back to where I was when I first heard that album and what my life was like then. AFD is more nostalgic for me then it is current. With the UYI albums it is different. I cannot speak for anyone else but the UYI albums have stayed with me and grown with me as time has passed by. I do not see them as being from another era, they still sound fresh to me and all of the meanings that I take from the UYI albums change with me as I get older and more time passes by. I find both AFD and the UYI albums to be brilliant, different, but brilliant. The UYI albums can cut into me in ways that AFD does not.

YMMV.

Deadfeat.

[McDuff]

Well AFD is the best GN'R album to me,I mean I love the Illusions,but I guess I just like AFD a little more,but Illusions have more emotions while AFD have more anger and rage,which I have always loved with any band,but no other band can compare to GN'R back in the old days

[G n F n R]

He said he wasn't totally satisfied with UYI and that he didn't approve of the recording process in which things weren't perfected.? I think.? I think that is why CD is taking so long, he said he didn't want to do a recording process like illusions again.?

This a quote from Axl on the song Breakdown taken from http://www.gnrinfo.tk/ .

"There is nothing on the record that didn't come out the way we wanted, except maybe the vocal speech at the end of "Breakdown." The mix on the speakers that we did the mastering on was loud enough, but on other sets of speakers it's not. It depends on what stereo you're hearing it on, and we didn't know that."

I believe I remember two interviews that Axl stated that he either wished to bury Appetite For Destruction or considered the Use Your Illusion or Chinese Democracy material as being better than AFD. One of those interviews you can find here on HTGTH. It's called Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder-MTV US November 8th 1999 http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28 The other I have in video form. It's a 1991 Kurt Loder interview with Axl. The file is called "Uncut Axl - Kurt Loder interview 91". I'm not sure if that's the interviews name or something a fan named it. Later

[mikegiuliana]

I don't know,. maybe at the ttime he felt he did.. he was never happy with the illusions, poor fella was rushed Take away that rush and the gnr we knew might have never been as big. Never mind cd we might still be waiting for the illusions and axl would have really been living his life through that one album.... That would be a great new interview question.. Axl you said in an interview that you liked afd but didn't want to live your life through the one album, you wanted to burry afd that's why you went over everything with the band with that fine tooth comb, did it work?

Is cd supposed to burry the illusions

[kaasupoltin]

In an interview Axl said that only thing he wasnt satisfied with was the speech at the end of Breakdown. I dont remember where I read this.

[oldgunsfan]

In an interview Axl said that only thing he wasnt satisfied with was the speech at the end of Breakdown. I dont remember where I read this.

it's been posted a few times on this thread.....don't know wehre it originally came from but ity's on this site http://www.gnrinfo.tk/

[Luigi]

In my line of work SIMPLE sells.

[SonofAGun]

 I hope Axl sticks to this statement from the Loder interview-

"I wouldn't say it's like, you know, that we recorded a double album, or that we have all of our scraps to be the second one. There is a distinct difference in sound. The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based."

[mr. moustache]

Well I think that AFD perfetly captures the time that it was released. While listening to AFD today it is still raw and come out you full steam ahead, but I think back to where I was when I first heard that album and what my life was like then. AFD is more nostalgic for me then it is current. With the UYI albums it is different. I cannot speak for anyone else but the UYI albums have stayed with me and grown with me as time has passed by. I do not see them as being from another era, they still sound fresh to me and all of the meanings that I take from the UYI albums change with me as I get older and more time passes by. I find both AFD and the UYI albums to be brilliant, different, but brilliant. The UYI albums can cut into me in ways that AFD does not.

YMMV.

Deadfeat.

great first post

I agree 100%. Appetite almost sounds childish at times and the meanings of all the songs arn't as complex and different as the illusions. I agree that the songs meanings on illusions grow on you and last. Civil war for example, war is a topic that will never be dated because it will never end.

[CAFC Nick]

Erm...I think if Axl had achieved his goal with UYI 1 and 2 there would be no Chinese Democracy.

[mrlee]

Appetite is an amazing rock album with alot of energy and more memorable  songs for the non hardcore gnr fan

illusions arnt straight rock. They are many styles mixed into one. Right next door to hell, fast hard rocker, then the garden...crazy stoned out song, then november rain, masterpeice of a ballad?