Axl is not so wise!

[Mike McKagan]

Um, I'm pretty sure that the Live Era discs were recorded before he started using his 'new voice' (whatever that means).

[highend88]

Locked. An unnecessary discussion!

[33]

I just feel bad that there are guns fans around like this dont damn me! Fancy being that negative when all this positive shit is going on at the moment! I just feel sorry for you mate! Fancy jumping ship when we are this close to seeing it all happen! Your loss! Mike

[Mr.Intensity]

I sense a disgruntled fan of ONLY the old band.. some people will never get over the break up.

Sad really.

Although he is entitled to hip opinion of the new tunes.

[mikegiuliana]

Dude I do agree with some of the stuff you said but trust me it's not even worth mentioning any of that on this board.? Probably 85% of the people here are loyal to Axl and only Axl.

That was what I was thinking

When the only one left in gnr is axl what can one expect debate wise

[Dont Try Me]

nothing to see here......move along   

 

[Mandy.]

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[DontDamnMe]

bla bla bla...............

Yeah, bla bla bla... I'm right, you're wrong... bla bla bla...    I have YET to see but only one person on this ENTIRE forum who has made an honest attempt to tell me I'm wrong and that's Neemo.  As for Neemo, here's what was said:

better yet take a chance and go see them when they come around again, personally guarantee that you won't be let down (unless ther eis a no show  , but hey that's part of the anarchy that is Axl rose, and prolly a big part why you became a fan in the first place.

No, this wasn't a big reason why I became a Guns fan.  In fact, if I had paid money, drove to the show, paid for parking, went into the venue, sat, waited and Axl did one of his 'no-shows', I'd be so fucking pissed!  This is why many people inside the music industry detest Axl Fucking Rose.  Yes, he was THE best frontman from the late 80's rock scene, but he's not that BAD ASS rocker anymore.  Sure, he'll have his good nights, but you have the be the BEST before you can get away with cancelling gigs left and right.  Hence, that's why the fucking tour flopped and Bucket left.

The reason I became a Guns fan is because of their sound.  While everybody else was playing cheesy metal, GnR was cranking up the Marshall stacks and plugging in their Les Pauls.  (Slash in particular)  Axl's voice was incredible on Appetite, but so was the fucking music!  Look, even the rest of the band detested Axl's no shows.  They hated the fact that their shows were turning into riots.  Its not like I'm revealing my own fucking opinion here... just ask ANYBODY who worked with Axl back in the early 90's, and they'll tell you he's fucking crazy. 

I realize this is a Axl-friendly forum.  I don't think Axl is beyond redemption by any means.  He should AT LEAST make ONE call to Slash and talk to him.  That's all I ask!  But its too late now, because Axl tried to rip Duff and Slash off.  Maybe its never too late, but you have to pick up the fucking phone, Axl!

[Mandy.]

LOOK... I can't take it anymore!? Axl supposedly ran his mouth again at the NY club about how 'now you will see who the real creative force behind GnR was'.? I'm so sick of his prima-donna bullshit!

First of all, the new stuff sounds OK, because you have good musicians playing behind you.? The lyrics are weaker, much weaker in fact, than the stuff found on Appetite/UYI.? The fact is: Izzy, Duff and even Slash had a lot to do with the words penned for those songs and of course, they were a collective unit, pumping out great shit!

Axl's voice is warped, the CD project has been a debacle, to put it lightly.? I mean, fuck, how many frontmans do you know that chased away two of the GREATEST guitarists of their era (Slash/BH)? The sad part is, he didn't even get an album out before Bucket left!? Axl is a complete fucking dumbass, and I cannot understand why there are so many people here that worship the ground he walks on.

Sure, he can sing and was the baddest frontman from the 80's rock scene, but he's too stupid to handle his own success.? Plus, he's no fucking Steven Tyler, he can't perform the way he did 10 years ago.? Even Tyler was smart enough to realize he was dog-shit without Joe Perry.? The saddest part of all, is that he still calls it Guns n' Roses, when we all know that's a fucking facade!

Axl will never re-create the bedlum that was, back in the early 90's for Guns.? He thinks he will, but he won't.? He can't even show up to his fucking gigs, with all his new buddies, who all get paid just to play behind Axl, whilst kissing his ass.? ?The guy is a complete dumbass, and he has nobody to blame, but himself, for all these leaks.

you're so boring

I'm with you, mate. ?

[Neemo]

but hey that's part of the anarchy that is Axl rose, and prolly a big part why you became a fan in the first place.

No, this wasn't a big reason why I became a Guns fan.? In fact, if I had paid money, drove to the show, paid for parking, went into the venue, sat, waited and Axl did one of his 'no-shows', I'd be so fucking pissed!? This is why many people inside the music industry detest Axl Fucking Rose.? Yes, he was THE best frontman from the late 80's rock scene, but he's not that BAD ASS rocker anymore.? Sure, he'll have his good nights, but you have the be the BEST before you can get away with cancelling gigs left and right.? Hence, that's why the fucking tour flopped and Bucket left.

Comeon their bad boy image was half the draw, you gotta admit their "I don't give a fuck" attitude was pretty cool way back when.

And If I went to a show where he didn't show I'd be upset too, but I doubt I'd riot. I always thought that route was a bit childish. "Oh if I throw a huge tantrum maybe the show will continue" Not!!! But that's another topic. I do agree though that if Axl makes a commitment to a show that he should perform. Simple concept really, but we don't know the whole story, we only know what was in the media and GnR as well as Clear Channel Refuse to comment on the matter. So something is weird there. The two biggest rumored reasons why the 2002 was cancelled.

1. Ticket sales were shit after MSG so Clear Channel Pulled the Plug.
2. After 2 riots Clear Channel decided it wasn't worth the risk. And I can hardly blame them

but Rumors say that The venue pulled the plug in Vancouver, not GnR, and as for Philly, the basketball thing is a bit embarassing.

Buckethead leaving now. Ummmm, we have no idea why buckethead left. 2 rumors are:
1. he only wanted to use GnR's name to help gain recognition and never had intentions of staying and Bucket's demands became increasingly idiotic until Axl said Enough and Bucket just left
2. Bucket got fed up with the wait so he said fuck it

And I wanna throw this out there, What if buckethead left after MSG and refused to play in philly? hmm and RIR IV was booked the year before so thats also why they were forced to dorp out of that?

Also don't forget the rumor that Geffen wasn't happy with the sound of the album back in 2002 so they refused to release it until it was tidied up a bit and made more "radio freindly"
All kinds of shit is going on we don't know about so it's really unfair to assume it's all Axl's fault.

Like I said before though, having seen Axl in 2002 I can guarantee you he is the best singer around still, from my expereinces and I've been to many shows.

The reason I became a Guns fan is because of their sound.? While everybody else was playing cheesy metal, GnR was cranking up the Marshall stacks and plugging in their Les Pauls.? (Slash in particular)? Axl's voice was incredible on Appetite, but so was the fucking music!? Look, even the rest of the band detested Axl's no shows.? They hated the fact that their shows were turning into riots.? Its not like I'm revealing my own fucking opinion here... just ask ANYBODY who worked with Axl back in the early 90's, and they'll tell you he's fucking crazy.

Yes i agree their sound was incredibly kick ass and Slash had as big of trademark sound as Axl's voice, and their collective image was fucking brilliant, but their badboy attitude fit in there too as part of the draw, as i said above And about the band detesting the no shows. Why did they defend them in the press then? hmmm and at the St Louis Riot after Axl left the stage Slash flipped the crowd the bird so on that front I have to disagree, they were a very solidified band up until UYI's were released. Later on The band members said yeah he was a dick for doing it but at the time they were of one mind. And Montreal Riot. Axl had larengitis or something, you mentioned before how he blew out his voice. that was right in the middle of it. could he have carried on? Prolly Maybe, but maybe he couldn't have. Axl always said too, that if he wasn't capable of putting on his best show then he wasn't gonna perform. That'just part of the way he was/is. And You said you can't pull a no show unless you are the best. well at that time GnR was the best bar none.

I realize this is a Axl-friendly forum.? I don't think Axl is beyond redemption by any means.? He should AT LEAST make ONE call to Slash and talk to him.? That's all I ask!? But its too late now, because Axl tried to rip Duff and Slash off.? Maybe its never too late, but you have to pick up the fucking phone, Axl!

I think both guys are too proud at this stage to admit wrong so I don't think a reunion will happen, maybe in 5-10 years but not now. And why should Axl call? Slash is the one who took off and Left Axl holding the ruins that GnR became. And yes this is a huge Axl forum. I'm fans of both guys though and am illing to look at an argument from all sides

OK in closing, I feel we are as close as ever to the release of this album, And was totally blown away by the sound of the leaks. Better is far Better (pardon the pun) than anything I could've imagined, And to me it is a fresh new sound, i never envisioned some incredibly heavy, awesome thing like that to surface after hearing Blues and Madagascar. I almost feel that the wait will have been worth it. Anyway during this time we are all getting restless, especially with the leaks, but lets hold on DontDamnMe, and all other GnR fans on this board. lets hold on and see where Axl is trying to take us. The time is almost here, don't give up now we waited going on 13 years a few more months won't kill us. After you hear the full studio album then we can make up our minds and decide if Axl fucked everything up or made the best out of his situaton. And Axl/GnR need us to get to the top again.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Whoever that said, Axl was the main creative force on GNR, must be really confused... oRIginal GNR was a unique force,  now I believe Axl is a good composer but, taking more than 10 years to achieve something, is not that intelligent either....

[adry]

alright, first u kinda need to chill out. i think that we all agree that axl is and was the main thing about gnr. of course all the other members were badass and had a lot to do with the band, but c'mon...axl's the one that brought the show. yeah, some of the stuff u said is kinda true, but um...one thing was really really dumb to say and that was u asking why so many people here worship him...hello? this is a fan website, so duh! no shit they're gonna worship him.

[Communist China]

Dude I do agree with some of the stuff you said but trust me it's not even worth mentioning any of that on this board.? Probably 85% of the people here are loyal to Axl and only Axl.

I'm happy to be in the other 15%.

Really, he's right you know. If Axl was such a creative force he could write 12+ songs in less than 12+ years.

[art vandalay]

axl can say whatever he wants . it may not all be true. but who cares AXL IS A FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!

[lynn1961]

DontDamnMe - you are a brave soul to come on here and say these things.   But, I agree with you, and I guess I'm in the other 15%.  Axl was not the only creative force behind GnR.  Of course, he was one of the most awesome frontmen who ever existed.  But, he's trying to keep something going that ended a long time ago.  GnR was not just all about Axl.  So he owns the name...so what?   Let's keep a dead horse going, right?  It's been many yrs since any new material came out, and he's been through millions of dollars and several different musicians in the making of this album.  I think the only reason he's (MAYBE) going to release it now is because he doesn't want to be "outshown" by former bandmates. 

[ShotgunBlues1978]

LOOK... I can't take it anymore!  Axl supposedly ran his mouth again at the NY club about how 'now you will see who the real creative force behind GnR was'.  I'm so sick of his prima-donna bullshit!

First of all, the new stuff sounds OK, because you have good musicians playing behind you.  The lyrics are weaker, much weaker in fact, than the stuff found on Appetite/UYI.

You think the lyrics on the new songs are weaker than what was on AFD?   

[Lara]

DontDamnMe dude, I'm having a hard time trying to understand why you're saying these things in this site - yeah, it's An Axl-friendly site and it should be 100% Axl-friendly, 'cause Axl is all we have! Whether you like it or not, Axl = GNR right now, the other guys are gone, get over it already! If you really like GNR, i guess the one thing you can do is stick with Axl.
We should all support the man and let him show what he's got on the 12th!
Give him some credit.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

We should all support Axl? Yes I agree

Damn but even though the other members are gone... they are and will always be Guns n fucking Roses soul!

[Niko]

people here are afraid to face that the band they loved is now mostly over
you are right with mostly everything you said dondamnme but its not the way to explain it

im 100% supporting of axl !!
but i face that this is not THE "guns n roses", is mostly like a cover band with the rights that a guns n roses formation

but despite of that im supporting axl because i think he is a great musician and under the name of gnr or not, he will
create some amazing music again like he did in the past, obviusly you have? apoiint, because without slash axl cant create the same type of music, but he can make amazing music in another context

[Krispy Kreme]

LOOK... I can't take it anymore!? Axl supposedly ran his mouth again at the NY club about how 'now you will see who the real creative force behind GnR was'.? I'm so sick of his prima-donna bullshit!

First of all, the new stuff sounds OK, because you have good musicians playing behind you.? The lyrics are weaker, much weaker in fact, than the stuff found on Appetite/UYI.? The fact is: Izzy, Duff and even Slash had a lot to do with the words penned for those songs and of course, they were a collective unit, pumping out great shit!

Axl's voice is warped, the CD project has been a debacle, to put it lightly.? I mean, fuck, how many frontmans do you know that chased away two of the GREATEST guitarists of their era (Slash/BH)? The sad part is, he didn't even get an album out before Bucket left!? Axl is a complete fucking dumbass, and I cannot understand why there are so many people here that worship the ground he walks on.

Sure, he can sing and was the baddest frontman from the 80's rock scene, but he's too stupid to handle his own success.? Plus, he's no fucking Steven Tyler, he can't perform the way he did 10 years ago.? Even Tyler was smart enough to realize he was dog-shit without Joe Perry.? The saddest part of all, is that he still calls it Guns n' Roses, when we all know that's a fucking facade!

Axl will never re-create the bedlum that was, back in the early 90's for Guns.? He thinks he will, but he won't.? He can't even show up to his fucking gigs, with all his new buddies, who all get paid just to play behind Axl, whilst kissing his ass.? ?The guy is a complete dumbass, and he has nobody to blame, but himself, for all these leaks.

You make some good points, but most people  here  worship Axl so you are going to get  flamed. The thing I would point out is that the new music does not have the intensitiy, the rage, the anger, the fuck you attitude of AFD or even UYI. The new music is more introspective and mature. That may be ok, but it  is not the music of 20 year olds. It is the  music  of  an aging rocker. (Better is an exception.)