IS CD "DOOMED" by expectations

[D]

I have feared this for a long time now and after hearing the songs I am really concerned.

When I first heard Better I was very disappointed, when I heard TWAT, I was very disappointed.

I realized the reason for this was because My expectations are so high, its like i was expecting songs and music that I had never heard before.

there are really no riffs, the guitar playing is ok nothing earth shattering. lyrically there isnt a whole lot of new ground being broke.


I realized though that the songs are great its just my expectations are so high that im not sure if my expectations could ever be met by anything.

I am very tolerant though and realized what i was doing which is why I can now fully appreciate these songs and love em like no other.

problem is, ive learned that most arent as tolerant as i am.

So do u feel CD is probably DOOMED by high expectations and cause of the mystique?

I found myself comparing the guitar playing to Slash immediately and I dont wanna start a Slash vs NewGNR debate but  i couldnt help but wonder how much better the songs would be.

[Mutherfunker]

Dude, I know exactly what you're saying 100% and felt the same untill I heard the complete 'Better' clip.

It's exactly the kind of thing that I was hoping for - wicked riffs, great lyrics and musically challenging.

Now I can't wait for the album.

@#?$Funker

[Bill 213]

I think regardless of your expectations you have to listen to it with an open mind. ?Keeping in mind that these are also demos......and probably will change substantially. ?You really can't compare it with old GNR, and I'm pretty sure Axl wouldn't want you to. ?It's new, fresh air and all. ?Just open your mind, listen and enjoy. ?Regardless if it sucks or it rocks beyond all compare, I believe Axl gave it his all and I'm gonna be a fan. ?I love the new demos, I think I've sickened myself pretty much of all old GNR stuff because I've listened to every song about 90000000000 times over the past 17 years and that stuff although great just doesn't fulfill me anymore like it used to.

[D]

People have already said that they havent heard anything that is on par with WTTJ,PC<SCOM etc etc but the thing is, those songs have been in our conscienceness for almost 20 years, so its impossible for something to capture that right away.

People expecting AFD type stuff are gonna hate this though but i think it is amazing. u cant compare it with any of the previous stuff though, its like comparing a lion to a bear, its a completely different animal and i hope people realize that.

[the dirt]

I thought you weren't gonna listen to the songs, D. You gave in, eh?

[D]

I thought you weren't gonna listen to the songs, D. You gave in, eh?

Fuck yeah u bastards, My will power was low but after reading and reading, I had no choice.


its cool though, we still got a lot to surprise us.

im not gonna listen to anymore though.......... at least i hope not.

after Merck said the album wasnt finished I said fuck it.

[littlewing]

What will make or break the album doing well is whether the general population warms up to the album. All of the die hard gnr fans could think its the best thing ever and it could still tank.

[Mutherfunker]

This is partly Axl's fault for keeping the name (I suppose people would have compared anyway tho). People are always gonna keep comparing the old band with the new and it just can't be done.

This is a new band, in a new musical climate, with a new generation of possible fans.

This is my approach: I listen and I either like it or I don't. The thought of comparing it with music from ten years ago doesn't even cross my mind. I don't care who's playing what solos, who's in and who's out, how much it will sell, or how much of the green stuff is gonna be made, it's all about the music.

If people aren't here for the music, then I feel sorry for them.

@#$%Funker

[The Dog]

I think with the AFD songs, they were so big b/c nothing else sounded like them, but it was still hard rock.  They basically took what was currently out at the time and gave it steroids - but it was still rock.  GNR didn't completely change music, they just took it the next level.

I think people want Axl to rock again, to come out with those arena rock type songs that have great hooks and choruses that you can sing along too, but that also kick your ass.  Thats really the only expectation I have.  If I have to mentally prepare myself for a radically different sound, and I'm a HUGE gnr fan, the avg person won't be ready for it.  Maybe thats why we're seeing the leaks....to gauge interest and feedback?

[Vicious Wishes]

These are demos because theres still work to be done, for sure. But it's a start, and in many cases a good start. Think of past demos. Some hit close to the mark, some didn't. The music will stand up to expectations, imo.

[Mutherfunker]

the avg person won't be ready for it.

The average person who has listened to a lot of the old Guns? - Maybe. However, your average record buying kid who hears stuff on the radio and the TV and then buys it is ready for anything and won't even think about comparing, or care about what the old band sounded like.

This has to be looked at as a new band.

@#$%Funker

Edit: It it quite possible that these demos are only the tip of the iceberg and so we haven't got a clue what the rest of the album is gonna sound like - which would be quite funny. I mean, Better is only one song out of 32?

[D]

Compared to music today though, this shit is Beatlesque

[The Dog]

Compared to music today though, this shit is Beatlesque

Amen to that! 

[littlewing]

However, your average record buying kid who hears stuff on the radio and the TV and then buys it is ready for anything and won't even think about comparing, or care about what the old band sounded like.

This has to be looked at as a new band.

To many kids it is a new band since they weren't aware of gnr in the 90's. It could end up working in their favor if the marketing goes well.

[Mutherfunker]

Compared to music today though, this shit is Beatlesque

Amen to that!?

Yes 

In fact lets all have a beer, it's been a hard days work. 

[D]

u cant compare different era's of a bands catalog

I mean we have heard Appetite for so long that anything new isnt gonna be better simply cause we already have such a connection with the old stuff.


this is why I am not comparing it or doing anything like that. I am just tryin my best to hear it for what it is and so far i am pretty mesmerized by it.

[jmapelian]

I'd say yes.

I was reading some back articles on this board and there was one that struck me.  An old manager back in Jan 2000, saying Magazine to Rolling Stone the music was 99% done and the vocals were 80% and it should be done Feb/Mar for a June / July release.  Some of the titles kicked around were IRS, TWAT, and I forget the 3rd (I think Catcher in the Rye)

That was six fucking years ago and at the time, RS Magazine reported he had been working on it for 6 years.

To me, there's something wrong when you're kicking the same songs around for12 years.  What more can be done to them?  Especially after hearing them..

It seems a classic case of overanalysis causing paralysis and Axl is paralyzed into taking any action

[Hammy]

Problem as well is so many people on this board are saying, well i did not like it but after ten listens....


.....well we're prepared to take our time and listen over and over again...

...Joe Public isn't

Everyday fan hears, this album was 10+ years in the making and you get the old where's Slash bollocks.

Thing is yeah the songs are good, but i think they would have more chance of being successful if they were released by Axl Rose NOT Guns N' Roses

But who knows they may be a big success anyway.....

....I hope so

[SWINGTRADER]

Album is going to be good ?there is no doubt in my mind ? but it will fail miserably for 3 reasons( this may be unfair but it's just the way it is) 1. ?It will not be groundbreaking ? ? 2. ?Axl waited so long and his management hyped this up big time including Axl at times . ? 3 ? the biggest reason of all ? ?he is using GNR name ?and people will always compare this band to the ?old band ?and that my friends ?is an impossible task to win ? there is no band ?and will never be another band that had the charisma ?and the sleasy fuck you attitude ?the old band did. ? ? period ?end of story. ? I will still buy the new album with great enthusiasm ?because ?i'm sure Axl will do a decent job and can't wait to hear Axl singing again with new material.

[The Dog]

I'd say yes.

I was reading some back articles on this board and there was one that struck me.  An old manager back in Jan 2000, saying Magazine to Rolling Stone the music was 99% done and the vocals were 80% and it should be done Feb/Mar for a June / July release.  Some of the titles kicked around were IRS, TWAT, and I forget the 3rd (I think Catcher in the Rye)

That was six fucking years ago and at the time, RS Magazine reported he had been working on it for 6 years.

To me, there's something wrong when you're kicking the same songs around for12 years.  What more can be done to them?  Especially after hearing them..

It seems a classic case of overanalysis causing paralysis and Axl is paralyzed into taking any action

I think thers is MUCH MORE to the story then just that (I hope so at least, b/c if what you said IS the whole story then WTF has been going on).  But I think a lot of this has been held up on b/c of legal issues behind closed doors.  Or maybe you're 100% right.  Either way, I just hope we find out after CD drops and Kurt Loder or RS gets the exclusive Axl interview.

Fuck RS and KL...BARBARA FUCKING WALTERS SHOULD INTERVIEW AXL

I'll take that beer now MotherFunker