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« on: January 21, 2006, 10:55:42 AM »

I'm hoping in the liner notes there is not a generic "words and music by Guns n Roses like AFD"-after hearing Tommy's interview, and hearing his solo abbum, which I really liked, it will be interesting to see which members brought what to each song, and whether any members will get complete credit for a song (like "So Fine" by Duff)-I understand and I'm assuming Axl is writing all the lyrics, right? It will be interesting to see if anyone in the future tries to sue Axl (there have been so many producers, and other musicians in and out through the years)-claiming they did not get credit for a riff/idea. I remember John Corabi tried to sue Motley Crue for uncredited input on Generation Swine-he only received partial credit on one song. Just a thought.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2006, 11:29:18 AM »

I feel the same. It should be just like UYI, where it names the songwriters for each song, and also says who played what instruments on each song.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2006, 04:01:08 AM »

The liner notes will take a good week and a half to read if everyone is credited (producers, engineers, songwriters, composers, etc.)

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2006, 04:46:29 AM »

I guess it will be done like in UYI for the seperate songs - list the people that are actually in the band and played / contributed to a song, as well as credits to people who were overly important for a song, for example:

The Blues
(Rose)

Vocals, Piano: Rose
Lead Guitar: Finck
Rythm Guitar: Fortus
Bass: Stinson
Drums: Mantia
Keys N' Effects: Reed / Pitman
Backing Vocals: Finck, Fortus, Stinson, Reed


Chinese Democracy
(Freese)

Vocals: Rose, Finck
Lead Guitar: Finck
......
and so on

And I gues it will have two or three pages of very very little printed thank yous to the hundreds of people who contributed to the songs during all these years.


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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 10:07:50 AM »

The Blues
(Rose)

Vocals, Piano: Rose
Lead Guitar: Finck
Rythm Guitar: Fortus
Bass: Stinson
Drums: Mantia
Keys N' Effects: Reed / Pitman
Backing Vocals: Finck, Fortus, Stinson, Reed
Hmmm.. This lead me to think... Who is gonna play piano in th studio version of this song? It could be Dizzy too...

And does this song have any backing vocals?
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 11:46:08 AM »



Interesting thread.

Especially since like Eric posted, there have been so many producers / musicians working on this project. I guess only the ones who have been involved in the final project will be credited, so it'd interesting to see if the likes of Freese, Abruzzese, Wylde, May, Buckethead & the 3 or 4 producers will be be finally credited.


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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 12:03:12 PM »



Interesting thread.

Especially since like Eric posted, there have been so many producers / musicians working on this project. I guess only the ones who have been involved in the final project will be credited, so it'd interesting to see if the likes of Freese, Abruzzese, Wylde, May, Buckethead & the 3 or 4 producers will be be finally credited.




.....many more to follow hihi

i also thought about the credits of CD a while ago.... i guess it will be very interesting to read them. one thing i`d like to know is if izzy in there...      and i?d like to find some pics and a little axl rant about what happened/ the new band/ his relationship to slash.....
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 01:15:34 PM »

I remember John Corabi tried to sue Motley Crue for uncredited input on Generation Swine-he only received partial credit on one song.


He was just bitter about being out of the band.

After the mega-hit "Hooligan's Holiday", who could blame him?  hihi
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 01:18:52 PM »

I guess it will be done like in UYI for the seperate songs - list the people that are actually in the band and played / contributed to a song, as well as credits to people who were overly important for a song, for example:

The Blues
(Rose)

Vocals, Piano: Rose
Lead Guitar: Finck
Rythm Guitar: Fortus
Bass: Stinson
Drums: Mantia
Keys N' Effects: Reed / Pitman
Backing Vocals: Finck, Fortus, Stinson, Reed


Chinese Democracy
(Freese)

Vocals: Rose, Finck
Lead Guitar: Finck
......
and so on

And I gues it will have two or three pages of very very little printed thank yous to the hundreds of people who contributed to the songs during all these years.


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Fortus will play a lot of Lead, probably as much as Robin. I think it will be:
Lead/Rythm guitar: Richard Fortus
Lead/rythm guitar: Robin Finck

something like 50/50.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 01:35:10 PM »

I guess it will be done like in UYI for the seperate songs - list the people that are actually in the band and played / contributed to a song, as well as credits to people who were overly important for a song, for example:

The Blues
(Rose)

Vocals, Piano: Rose
Lead Guitar: Finck
Rythm Guitar: Fortus
Bass: Stinson
Drums: Mantia
Keys N' Effects: Reed / Pitman
Backing Vocals: Finck, Fortus, Stinson, Reed


Chinese Democracy
(Freese)

Vocals: Rose, Finck
Lead Guitar: Finck
......
and so on

And I gues it will have two or three pages of very very little printed thank yous to the hundreds of people who contributed to the songs during all these years.


/lastroots
Fortus will play a lot of Lead, probably as much as Robin. I think it will be:
Lead/Rythm guitar: Richard Fortus
Lead/rythm guitar: Robin Finck

something like 50/50.

yeah , but probably not on every song peace
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 01:42:47 PM »

True, Corabi was bitter about Motley Crue, but there may be some musicians/producers bitter with this project as well-I'm not sure everyone left on good terms
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2006, 01:43:30 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!  peace
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2006, 01:54:14 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!? peace

you shouldn`t, because I wrote don?t cry peace

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2006, 01:56:14 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!  peace

you shouldn`t, because I wrote don?t cry peace



Hahah. Classic.

I'm gunna sue you for plagerism then.  peace
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 02:11:23 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!? peace

you shouldn`t, because I wrote don?t cry peace



Hahah. Classic.

I'm gunna sue you for plagerism then.? peace

well, prepare for a defamation lawsuit  Cool
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2006, 02:13:25 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!  peace

you shouldn`t, because I wrote don?t cry peace



Hahah. Classic.

I'm gunna sue you for plagerism then.  peace

well, prepare for a defamation lawsuit  Cool

Well now , I can see I'll have to slap you with a slander suit.

NOW DONT MAKE ME SCREAM RAPE!!!

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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2006, 02:15:17 PM »

Didn't tommy call the music a 'collaborative effort?' my guess is it will say 'words and music by guns n roses.'
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2006, 02:51:08 PM »

I never did get a credit for writing dont cry. Maybe I should sue.

My lawsuit starts now!? peace

you shouldn`t, because I wrote don?t cry peace



Hahah. Classic.

I'm gunna sue you for plagerism then.? peace

well, prepare for a defamation lawsuit? Cool

Well now , I can see I'll have to slap you with a slander suit.

NOW DONT MAKE ME SCREAM RAPE!!!

lol

ok you?re the winner hihi      but your technicues are really disturbed. are you the little boy that stayed with michael jackson a while ago?
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2006, 03:30:15 PM »

Axl has been sued by many people-I remember Gilby even sued GNR for royalties-I can't remember exact details-Steven sued them, Stephanie Seymore, Robert John-right or wrong, Axl has been sued many times, and probably will in the future from this project-it's the nature of the business. I could imagine the documents people had to sign who were involved on this project.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2006, 03:33:25 PM »

It will be more interesting to me to see if songs will be labeled like the illusion albums -  several were labeled stradlin/rose, for instance. I think the members brought their own demos on the illusion records, but that's probably not how it was done in the songwriting process for Chinese Democracy.
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