jarmo's lame allegiance to axl and mgmt

[jarmo]

Some of you need to get a fucking clue, and fast!

Did we remove the posts with the old pics of Buckethead because I wanted to be friends with Herbie? I don't even have to answer that because some of you probably think "oh yes you did! I know you did!".

Obviously you're not going to pay attention to what I say because it doesn't make any sense to you. You've already got your "theories" on why I do things or why I have this site in the first place. ?



Anybody who wants the site to be shutdown just so that we can act "tough" by not respecting the wishes of band/management can leave right now. That's insulting to everybody who keeps this place running and to all the people who actually enjoy having a working site/board.



/jarmo

[Elrothiel]

Hear hear!!! You tell 'em Jarmo!

[conny]

Respect towards the artists is one thing.

Disrespect towards (other) fans is another.

That 'no link' policy is the biggest and most naive piece of shit ever because for any true fan, the MUSIC always comes first. And don't tell me such 'leaks' hurt the bands feelings or are a direpepect towards them. If they would not want anyone to hear it, they would have not pressed it onto a fucken CD for fucks sake. Where do you think these tracks come from - out of the mixing console, secretly taken away from the band? BULLSHIT!!! All 'leaks' are coming from the band themselves or the mangement, and everyone knows that.

It's called marketing, some people just don't get it. The less links circulate, the 'hotter' the demos are, the more the people are talking about them. That's free promotion for the band in return for one and a half mediocre outtakes from an upcoming killer album.

In six weeks, no one will give a fuck about these one and a half songs.

So just RELAX and take it easy everyone.

And some people maybe should think about the meaning of the term FAN COMMUNITY[/u]

[jarmo]

You're free to think whatever you want about this site or my motives.

I'm just making sure that the people who might be interested in knowing the truth, have a chance of actually reading what I think, instead of having to read pages and pages of posts about me and my "motives" by people who think they know me...

A lot of people in this thread obviously are totally clueless about the subject. But I guess it's "cool" to come up with theories that are supposed to be insulting.?


Edit: It's always the same. Either I'm moderating because I love the power or if I do something like remove links to downloads it's because I want to be Axl's best friend.



/jarmo

[conny]

Jarmo, I think some people are just very pissed because they come to your site for years and now have to beg and please newbiews for a link to the new material.

You are not resonsible for that, and your site sure is not the 'GNR links to downloads store' - but I'm sure you can understand the frustration of the people, can't you?

No need to take it to the heart, but if you don't want to be misunderstood, then make yourself as clear as possible or else you gotta live with the reactions - they may not be going into the right direction, but they are coming for a reason.

[jarmo]

We clearly stated that we don't allow links to downloads because we were asked to remove them.

We respect that wish from the band's management. Now people are whining about why we respect that wish and the motives I might have. 



/jarmo

[conny]

How about respecting the fans' wishes?

[jarmo]

Who should respect the fans' wishes?



/jarmo

[conny]

Who should respect the fans' wishes?



/jarmo

Whoever these wishes may concern.

[jarmo]

Ok.... Thanks for the clarification.



/jarmo

[conny]

Yeah, clarification rules... 

[jarmo]

You tell me.

I'm not gonna start guessing what you meant. You're the one telling me to be as clear as possible and then you're expecting me to guess who you're talking about..... 

So, please, if you don't mind, tell me who should respect the fans' wishes?



/jarmo

[Markus Asraelius]

I don't know why so many people (most of them new members) keep arguing with Jarmo over his policies. It's stupid. Just respect him and his decisions.

[Axls Locomotive]

for as long as i have known jarmo, he has just about always showed respect to others no matter who they are...from my own observations he is consistent, reliable and law abiding...anyone who thinks otherwise has a "lame allegiance" to their own brain

[conny]

Jarmo, Axl himself played the songs to a bunch of whores in a strip club, to some 'in crowd' at a NYC night club, to Mike Piazza...but we - HIS TRUEST AND MOST LOYAL FANS IN THE WORLD - are not allowed to hear, share and discuss even one and a half demos because the management asks us to "respect their wishes" when it was actually Axl himself leaking the songs because he WANTS them out there to get buzz, hype and a recation?

I'm sorry, but from an emotional point of view, this has nothing to do with respect anymore, this is just insane!

I bet you money that band and management are reading the boards to see what the fans think about the material. But that doesn't matter. The point is, that of course the management says they don't want it out there, what else could they say? The truth is they don't say that bullshit to protect Axl's work and feelings, but because the record company wants to hear exactly that from the mangement.

With that in mind, you can now guess what kind of impression "respecting the management wishes" leaves on the fan who comes online to a FAN board for the latest news, gossip and - yes - eventually the latest leaks from his fav band.

I'm not saying who is right or wrong, just sharing my opinion wich could be wrong also. But you know, sometimes I'd just love to see a bit more of Jarmo the fan, and a little less of Jarmo the admin. It would not hurt.

To not post private addresses and pics of Buckethead unmasked is one thing (that I totally support), but to not share and eventually not even discuss the MUSIC on a FAN BOARD is another. I'd understand the file sharing policy if it was official stuff you could buy in stores, but these songs are a) demos, b) won't even be on the album and were c) intentionally leaked by the band. Even if only one of these points is true, there is absolutely no reason to not share them because they would not be out there if someone in the band camp would not have burned them onto a CD to see what happens.

I'm not exactly criticising you, I'm just pissed about how the fans are treated. And by supporting the management, you are more or less directly supporting that kind of treatment. I'm not one of those who expect a personal 'thank you' letter from Axl along with my copy of CD. But after YEARS of that no comment no communication bullshit from the mangement, enough is enough. The situation is a joke and you know it.

[Markus Asraelius]

Strippers aren't whores, they are beautiful women.

It's horrible that we live in a world where it's okay to call women bitches, sluts, whores and cunts. It needs to end.

Conny, you're a woman, and you call your own kind that. It's bad enough that men do it but when women do it, there is just no excuse.

[conny]

Strippers aren't whores, they are beautiful women.

It's horrible that we live in a world where it's okay to call women bitches, sluts, whores and cunts. It needs to end.

Conny, you're a woman, and you call your own kind that. It's bad enough that men do it but when women do it, there is just no excuse.

I am male and you have obviously never been to a strip club.
However, I did not mean to hurt your or anyone else's feelings.

[McGann]

Axl owns the songs.
It's up to HIM where they're heard.
His property rights.

Splash

/Mike

[conny]

Axl owns the songs.
It's up to HIM where they're heard.
His property rights.

Splash

/Mike

The key word in my post was 'emotional'.... 

[Markus Asraelius]

Strippers aren't whores, they are beautiful women.

It's horrible that we live in a world where it's okay to call women bitches, sluts, whores and cunts. It needs to end.

Conny, you're a woman, and you call your own kind that. It's bad enough that men do it but when women do it, there is just no excuse.

I am male and you have obviously never been to a strip club.
However, I did not mean to hurt your or anyone else's feelings.

Oh I apologize. I thought since your username was conny that you were a female. I apologize.

And no, I never have been to a strip club but that's cause I'm only 20. ?