Rocket Queen Live Era

[iloozion]

I think Gilby's rhythm guitar on the Tokyo DVD's (and VHS) always sounds quite, and in parts non existant. The only time i can really hear him playing is on 'Wild Horses' and a bit on 'Civil War'.

[Assman]

Maybe it is Slash that has ego problems? I mean, Gilby can?t hardly be heard on the Tokyo show and because of the lacking of a solid rythm guitar, it just sounds bad.

Meanwhile Slash has a LOT of volume. He and Matt had too much.

And while on the subject of "Live Era", it is a really bad live album. The whistling on Patience is false and the rap on Rocket Queen is embarassing, and there aren?t that many good versions of their songs.

The songs that make Live Era worthwhile: Used to love her, It?s alright...

[iloozion]

There's no rap on the 'Live Era' version of Rocket Queen

[Elrothiel]

Yea I know... I love that rap! It totally rockz! I wish people would stop bashing it!

[WARose]

i don`t think gilby`s guitar parts were deleted on purpose on live era... they might were during the illusion tour in general..... on most shows of 92 you can barely hear gilby.....   and well   axl`s vocals rerecorded?  it`s jsut a rumour and no fact at all.....  the songs of which we have bootlegs to compare sound pretty equal. as far as i know there`s no boot of the vegas show around, so it`s all speculation...

and @jameslofton: this was no axl powertrip. the whole band decided to do this album also decided on the songs together (through their managements....)   and well  i personally think it`s ok (the album...)  itt`s better than no live album at all..... but i agree: a kick ass concert would`ve been way better. same with tokyo by the way....

[WAR41]

and well   axl`s vocals rerecorded?  it`s jsut a rumour and no fact at all.....  the songs of which we have bootlegs to compare sound pretty equal.

uhhh, no they were definitely rerecorded.  Also there is no way they sound equal.  My favorite rerecorded song on Live Era is You Could Be Mine.... it is so blatantly fake its almost comical. 

[acciu]

ehi guys ....
u'r wrong:you say most of recordings come tokyo;this is not true;
Nightrain is not from tokyo and so SCOM
Neither estranged ... the preentation before the song belongs to tokyo,but not the song itself
Not to mention rocket queen;Judgin' by the lousy Matt drummin' it comes from the illusion tour bu t surely not from tokio.You should listen carefully to guitar solo before judgin' guys....

[WARose]

and well   axl`s vocals rerecorded?  it`s jsut a rumour and no fact at all.....  the songs of which we have bootlegs to compare sound pretty equal.

uhhh, no they were definitely rerecorded.  Also there is no way they sound equal.  My favorite rerecorded song on Live Era is You Could Be Mine.... it is so blatantly fake its almost comical. 

well there is nothing official about this. and as long as we don`t own all gnr soundboards or get some statement from axl/slash about this it will stay that way......

[WAR41]

and well   axl`s vocals rerecorded?  it`s jsut a rumour and no fact at all.....  the songs of which we have bootlegs to compare sound pretty equal.

uhhh, no they were definitely rerecorded.  Also there is no way they sound equal.  My favorite rerecorded song on Live Era is You Could Be Mine.... it is so blatantly fake its almost comical. 

well there is nothing official about this. and as long as we don`t own all gnr soundboards or get some statement from axl/slash about this it will stay that way......

hahahaha oh come on man give me a break. 

www.gnrontour.com/jm78/liveera.htm

[WARose]

and well   axl`s vocals rerecorded?  it`s jsut a rumour and no fact at all.....  the songs of which we have bootlegs to compare sound pretty equal.

uhhh, no they were definitely rerecorded.  Also there is no way they sound equal.  My favorite rerecorded song on Live Era is You Could Be Mine.... it is so blatantly fake its almost comical. 

well there is nothing official about this. and as long as we don`t own all gnr soundboards or get some statement from axl/slash about this it will stay that way......

hahahaha oh come on man give me a break. 

www.gnrontour.com/jm78/liveera.htm

did you know gnrontour.com isn`t official??

maybe i`m wrong and there is an official track source list out there, but as far as i know it`s not.

[WARose]

by the way the songs that are rumored to have rerecorded lyrics are mainly from vegas 92  (rocket queen, nightrain, vesterdays....)   and i don?t think there`s a bootleg of that show around.... but i could be wrong

[Voodoochild]

I just never understood why so much of Tokyo was used. There were many more shows to choose from. The only possible reason I can think of is Geffen pressured him into doing it, and he quickly put it together, and thats the reason for using mostly Tokyo. Maybe after CD, he can do a kick ass live album, and include some GNR gems on it.

The official excuse was because of DAT recordings. Not every show was recorded with many tracks for each song, so you can't judge just by some soundboard bootleg...

BTW, Estranged has some parts of Tokyo (I still can hear Axl's "wow" before Slash's first solo leaking in the sound with good earphones) , but it sure sounds like a mix of performances.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Yea I know... I love that rap! It totally rockz! I wish people would stop bashing it!

Agreed...I like it too

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I just never understood why so much of Tokyo was used. There were many more shows to choose from. The only possible reason I can think of is Geffen pressured him into doing it, and he quickly put it together, and thats the reason for using mostly Tokyo. Maybe after CD, he can do a kick ass live album, and include some GNR gems on it.

The official excuse was because of DAT recordings. Not every show was recorded with many tracks for each song, so you can't judge just by some soundboard bootleg...

BTW, Estranged has some parts of Tokyo (I still can hear Axl's "wow" before Slash's first solo leaking in the sound with good earphones) , but it sure sounds like a mix of performances.

Lemme ask this...do all bands do this when they release a live album or just GNR at the time?   I feel that in watching all the many bootlegs that I have...they really for most part sound excellent live..I mean sure Axl has his off night like all of them have.  I can see having different songs from different shows in different years but mix those songs or edit over certain tracks with another live performance that may have sounded better...it kinda takes away from what LIVE really means.   I was just wondering if other bands have done this?

[sandman]

i agree. it's really lame to actually re-record parts and mix different shows together.

Kiss had a couple famous live albums (Alive I & II). and they did alot of work on those in the studio. i believe they admitted re-recording parts of songs in the studio.

[WARose]

yeah it?s lame..... they should?ve just released some kickass concert from '91

[Elrothiel]

Yea I know... I love that rap! It totally rockz! I wish people would stop bashing it!

Agreed...I like it too

FINALLY! Someone who agreez with me!!

[jameslofton29]

? ?I was just wondering if other bands have done this?

Well, I dont buy alot of bands live albums, but I do know that Sarah Mclachlan's live album from the late 90's had major work done on it. The songs sounded so perfect the radio stations were for awhile playing her hits from the "live" album instead of from her regular albums. She cant possibly be that good live. I'm sure alot of people do that kind of stuff. Maybe some other people can give more examples.

[The Dog]

Lemme ask this...do all bands do this when they release a live album or just GNR at the time?   I feel that in watching all the many bootlegs that I have...they really for most part sound excellent live..I mean sure Axl has his off night like all of them have.  I can see having different songs from different shows in different years but mix those songs or edit over certain tracks with another live performance that may have sounded better...it kinda takes away from what LIVE really means.   I was just wondering if other bands have done this?

Kinda embarrassed to admit this, but I used to be a HUGE Dokken fan back in the late 80s (Back for the attack was a good album!) haha.  But on their Beast from the East LIVE cd I'm 99% sure they re-did some of the vocals on it. 

I don't know for sure, pure speculation, but I imagine its fairly common for bands to do this if they are making a LIVE album a legit release.  I think if its just bits and pieces its no biggie, but it they are laying down new vocals for every track...not really that live now is it

[WARose]

 i actually think the "recording quality"  excuse is an honest one, after thinking about it for while......   i?d guess they recorded most shows only in stereo quality.  i?d still be fine to get hold of those, of course, but i think it?s to bad for an official release...

i mean there are probably 200 gnr shows good enough to be released outright in terms of performace....