Rocket Queen Live Era

[Stevenson]

Somethings been bothering me about Rocket Queen on Live Era. Way back before I started actualy contributing to the board I remember someone mentioning this but done a search and could'nt find anything.

Whats the deal with the version on live era, is it just me or is there no rhythm guitar!??

It seems really odd. Sorry if this is "Dead Horse" type stuff but its something thats been bothering me. So can any of you guys explain as to why rhythm guitar seems strangly absent on Rocket Queen Live Era, becuase as far as I can tell, unless my stereo is sodimised, there aint no Izzy or Gibly.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

[jameslofton29]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

Live Era should have been boycotted by all us fans. What a pathetic power trip by Axl. He was rerecording parts for a live album, while at the same time sitting on a bunch of instrumentals for a new album.

[Voodoochild]

Yeah, there's no 2nd guitar. And the Izzy's part is my favourite rhythm guitar ever..

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

He's on Estranged, but not in the whole song. Just after the piano solo, you can hear him.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Yeah, there's no 2nd guitar. And the Izzy's part is my favourite rhythm guitar ever..

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

He's on Estranged, but not in the whole song. Just after the piano solo, you can hear him.

Right but I meant some of his parts were taken out of estranged

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

Wow I never knew that.    That sucks actually.

[badapple81]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

Live Era should have been boycotted by all us fans. What a pathetic power trip by Axl. He was rerecording parts for a live album, while at the same time sitting on a bunch of instrumentals for a new album.

Totally different projects with different motivations. Live Era was simple and Axl knew what he had to do and how to do it.. whilst the new album was something Axl was piecing together at the time, piece by piece.. a long term goal and project. You cannot compare them.

[jameslofton29]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

Live Era should have been boycotted by all us fans. What a pathetic power trip by Axl. He was rerecording parts for a live album, while at the same time sitting on a bunch of instrumentals for a new album.

Totally different projects with different motivations. Live Era was simple and Axl knew what he had to do and how to do it.. whilst the new album was something Axl was piecing together at the time, piece by piece.. a long term goal and project. You cannot compare them.

My point is that it was a waste of time. Why rerecord vocals? Most of live Era is Tokyo, a show everyone has heard a million times. Totally unnecessary. Deleting certain members parts was also uncalled for. There has always been bigger fish for him to fry.

[ryan_of_lax]

They said they didn't have many tapes to choose from.
Plus, Axl AND Slash chose the versions of the song. So it wasn't just an Axl powertrip.

I don't think there was as much vocal re-recording as some people believe.
It's easy to clean vocal tracks up to make it sound studio-like. Plus, its nearly impossible to tell the difference on bootleg versions of songs and Live Era versions of songs that people claim were re-recorded.

[Sam]

I like the Live Era version better than the Tokyo DVD version. Slash+voice box=brilliant. Plus, in live era, theres not that weird rapping part.

[Minneapolisnewsman]

That was the problem with the whole Illusion era--no rhythm guitar.  At times I think Gilby was playing air guitar about as effectively as Paul Huge did at Vegas and Rio.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

At least Live Era still sounds live..I mean that is why one buys a live recording...It sorta defeats the purpose if you rerecord over the vocals.  But I couldn't tell...so if he did do it..It really wasn't noticeable at least to me.

[Stevenson]

Personaly i've heard better versions of most of those songs from various bootlegs.

For example SCOM from St. Pauls 87, the vocals are amazing.

I knew some parts were re-recorded like vocals on Nightrain etc but I found it odd to just leave out the guitar on Rocket Queen like that.

That was the problem with the whole Illusion era--no rhythm guitar. At times I think Gilby was playing air guitar about as effectively as Paul Huge did at Vegas and Rio.

I had noticed that too. For the most part you can never really hear his guitar. I remember an interview after Izzy had left and he had said something about towards the end of his time in the band he was'nt even sure if the audience could hear his guitar anymore.

[badapple81]

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

Live Era should have been boycotted by all us fans. What a pathetic power trip by Axl. He was rerecording parts for a live album, while at the same time sitting on a bunch of instrumentals for a new album.

Totally different projects with different motivations. Live Era was simple and Axl knew what he had to do and how to do it.. whilst the new album was something Axl was piecing together at the time, piece by piece.. a long term goal and project. You cannot compare them.

My point is that it was a waste of time. Why rerecord vocals? Most of live Era is Tokyo, a show everyone has heard a million times. Totally unnecessary. Deleting certain members parts was also uncalled for. There has always been bigger fish for him to fry.

Oh totally agree james.. I was disappointed to hear tracks I had already heard. And it sounded silly as these tracks which were obviously the same tracks as the videos.. sounded totally different. I'm actually of the opinion that some of the tracks were rerecorded with Axl's new style "Oh My God" era voice to kind of prepare and get people used to hearing it so it isn't such a shock when the new tracks came out. Obivously they didn't end up coming out. That's just my thoery which is really unlikely but just something I had thought of. The rerecorded voice sounds a lot like the Big Daddy SCOM voice.  Luckily we have bootlegs for the real thing 

[The Dog]

My point is that it was a waste of time. Why rerecord vocals? Most of live Era is Tokyo, a show everyone has heard a million times. Totally unnecessary. Deleting certain members parts was also uncalled for. There has always been bigger fish for him to fry.

Maybe YOU heard them a million times, but I can gaurantee you a lot of other people haven't.  I know plenty of casual GNR fans who bought Live ERA and loved it.  Not everyone has copies of every Guns show ever recorded.

[jameslofton29]

Oh totally agree james.. I was disappointed to hear tracks I had already heard. And it sounded silly as these tracks which were obviously the same tracks as the videos.. sounded totally different. I'm actually of the opinion that some of the tracks were rerecorded with Axl's new style "Oh My God" era voice to kind of prepare and get people used to hearing it so it isn't such a shock when the new tracks came out. Obivously they didn't end up coming out. That's just my thoery which is really unlikely but just something I had thought of. The rerecorded voice sounds a lot like the Big Daddy SCOM voice.? Luckily we have bootlegs for the real thing?

The idea of Live Era was cool, but Axl could have added a few extras on there, since it was mainly gonna be his hardcore fans that bought it. Whether it be the Big Daddy Sweet Child, or even better some rare live recordings. I just never understood why so much of Tokyo was used. There were many more shows to choose from. The only possible reason I can think of is Geffen pressured him into doing it, and he quickly put it together, and thats the reason for using mostly Tokyo. Maybe after CD, he can do a kick ass live album, and include some GNR gems on it.

[jimmythegent]

Yeah, there's no 2nd guitar. And the Izzy's part is my favourite rhythm guitar ever..

Live era has been edited. Axl vocals are redone on some songs, Gilbys and izzys parts are taken out on some songs. Listen to estranged. You cant hear Gilby either.

He's on Estranged, but not in the whole song. Just after the piano solo, you can hear him.

yes Izzys Rocket Queen part is absolutley essential to the song - sounds empty with out it

[MR W,AXL ROSE]

my bro made a version of live era from all his live stuff using the original songs from the shows that are on the album and theres not much difference at all.

[You Gonna Eat That?]

I dont mind Live Era, besides Patience and November Rain.

[the dirt]

It's strange how he eliminates rhythm guitars from live era and gets 3 guitarists (at one point at least) for the CD thing.