Rights, religion clash in cartoon uproar

[Sakib]

by the way, those verses from the qur'an you happen to quote, have u studied the whole of the qur'an?? because thats very biased. what about the stories where there was rules about true jihad (fight for struggle) which is to only kill those who kill you.

Well you are a fundie then, since you condone the murder of people who made this cartoon!!

Quote from: Sakib on February 03, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
i fucking h8 the idea and i want to kill the bastard who thought of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in such an offensive manner

if you read my post, it says i maybe a bit aggressive cuz i was upset when i read it. anyways, im not good enuf muslim to be fundamental.

[WARose]

Just for the record, Bin Laden is not a good example of a muslim if supposedly, he;s a terrorist. he has a niece in the porno industry which no muslim would allow.

so he?s a terrorist because he`s in the porno industry right??

by the way, those verses from the qur'an you happen to quote, have u studied the whole of the qur'an?? because thats very biased. what about the stories where there was rules about true jihad (fight for struggle) which is to only kill those who kill you.

Well you are a fundie then, since you condone the murder of people who made this cartoon!!

Quote from: Sakib on February 03, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
i fucking h8 the idea and i want to kill the bastard who thought of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in such an offensive manner

if you read my post, it says i maybe a bit aggressive cuz i was upset when i read it. anyways, im not good enuf muslim to be fundamental.

ok so you?re not fundamental......   yeah  ok...  you didn`t speak about flying planes into skyscrappers....    only killing some guy who draw a cartoon.......


i`m a very tolerant guy in general, but all this shit really annoys me.  christians behaved like that, too. 800 years ago my friend.....

 AND PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: i don`t believe in god. neither allah nor the christian one.  so i can`t understand this religion shit in general.  it only causes fights and hate.


by the way you`re on the exact same level as those fuckheads running around burning embassies and flaggs.... you hsouldn`t threat to kill someone who draws a cartoon.. 

i suggest you to read the post #45.  above all the part about the jesus cartoons in the NY times.....

one question: did you even see those cartoons?  i suppose not.......



and well.....  i see a serious problem here.....  this iranian president behaves like Adolf Hitler. he activates it, but the rest of the world is afraid to say something.....

if this wasn?t that dangerous this would be really fuckin`ridiculous.............  i mean educated human beings acting like babarians..........

[Sakib]

Just for the record, Bin Laden is not a good example of a muslim if supposedly, he;s a terrorist. he has a niece in the porno industry which no muslim would allow.

so he?s a terrorist because he`s in the porno industry right??

by the way, those verses from the qur'an you happen to quote, have u studied the whole of the qur'an?? because thats very biased. what about the stories where there was rules about true jihad (fight for struggle) which is to only kill those who kill you.

Well you are a fundie then, since you condone the murder of people who made this cartoon!!

Quote from: Sakib on February 03, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
i fucking h8 the idea and i want to kill the bastard who thought of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in such an offensive manner

if you read my post, it says i maybe a bit aggressive cuz i was upset when i read it. anyways, im not good enuf muslim to be fundamental.

ok so you?re not fundamental......? ?yeah? ok...? you didn`t speak about flying planes into skyscrappers....? ? only killing some guy who draw a cartoon.......


i`m a very tolerant guy in general, but all this shit really annoys me.? christians behaved like that, too. 800 years ago my friend.....

 AND PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: i don`t believe in god. neither allah nor the christian one.? so i can`t understand this religion shit in general.? it only causes fights and hate.


by the way you`re on the exact same level as those fuckheads running around burning embassies and flaggs.... you hsouldn`t threat to kill someone who draws a cartoon..?

i suggest you to read the post #45.? above all the part about the jesus cartoons in the NY times.....

one question: did you even see those cartoons?? i suppose not.......



and well.....? i see a serious problem here.....? this iranian president behaves like Adolf Hitler. he activates it, but the rest of the world is afraid to say something.....

if this wasn?t that dangerous this would be really fuckin`ridiculous.............? i mean educated human beings acting like babarians..........

i suppose you dont understand my posts. I said i was a bit aggravated when i read it so i was a bit upset and i apologise so im not a fundamental muslim (someone who follows islam the way it should be. not many nowadays). and secondly, my point on the porno industry is that if he allows his niece to be in such industry, he can't be an example of a good muslim, right?

[Axls Locomotive]

by the way, those verses from the qur'an you happen to quote, have u studied the whole of the qur'an?? because thats very biased. what about the stories where there was rules about true jihad (fight for struggle) which is to only kill those who kill you.

Well you are a fundie then, since you condone the murder of people who made this cartoon!!

Quote from: Sakib on February 03, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
i fucking h8 the idea and i want to kill the bastard who thought of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in such an offensive manner

if you read my post, it says i maybe a bit aggressive cuz i was upset when i read it. anyways, im not good enuf muslim to be fundamental.

you know, for a 15 year old, thats far too aggressive a comment to make

so what gives any muslim the right to tell another person what to say or do outside of their religion, their laws and their country? if anything these demonstrations have proven that the islamic religion is backward, people are easily led with no sense of critical thinking, are intolerant of other religions and nationalities and ultimately blind to the truth

[WARose]

Just for the record, Bin Laden is not a good example of a muslim if supposedly, he;s a terrorist. he has a niece in the porno industry which no muslim would allow.

so he?s a terrorist because he`s in the porno industry right??

by the way, those verses from the qur'an you happen to quote, have u studied the whole of the qur'an?? because thats very biased. what about the stories where there was rules about true jihad (fight for struggle) which is to only kill those who kill you.

Well you are a fundie then, since you condone the murder of people who made this cartoon!!

Quote from: Sakib on February 03, 2006, 04:03:59 PM
i fucking h8 the idea and i want to kill the bastard who thought of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad in such an offensive manner

if you read my post, it says i maybe a bit aggressive cuz i was upset when i read it. anyways, im not good enuf muslim to be fundamental.

ok so you?re not fundamental......   yeah  ok...  you didn`t speak about flying planes into skyscrappers....    only killing some guy who draw a cartoon.......


i`m a very tolerant guy in general, but all this shit really annoys me.  christians behaved like that, too. 800 years ago my friend.....

 AND PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: i don`t believe in god. neither allah nor the christian one.  so i can`t understand this religion shit in general.  it only causes fights and hate.


by the way you`re on the exact same level as those fuckheads running around burning embassies and flaggs.... you hsouldn`t threat to kill someone who draws a cartoon.. 

i suggest you to read the post #45.  above all the part about the jesus cartoons in the NY times.....

one question: did you even see those cartoons?  i suppose not.......



and well.....  i see a serious problem here.....  this iranian president behaves like Adolf Hitler. he activates it, but the rest of the world is afraid to say something.....

if this wasn?t that dangerous this would be really fuckin`ridiculous.............  i mean educated human beings acting like babarians..........

i suppose you dont understand my posts. I said i was a bit aggravated when i read it so i was a bit upset and i apologise so im not a fundamental muslim (someone who follows islam the way it should be. not many nowadays). and secondly, my point on the porno industry is that if he allows his niece to be in such industry, he can't be an example of a good muslim, right?

yeah    ok   osama is no good example of a muslim.........the fundamentalists don`t seem to care about his involvement in the porno industry that much, right?

and well..... i suppose those guys in indonesia burning the embassy of danemark are "a bit upset", too.....  it`s pathetic.

please notice that it`s not my aim to offend the regular muslims, but what`s going on among the hardliners (they seem to be quite much....) isn`t bearable anymore....   

i have to admit that i use to be a hardliner against bush. and i understand that the people in afghanistan and iraq don`t want american soldiers there, but burning the embassy of danemark goes too far......

i also understand that religion is an important part of the live of a muslim/christ/ whatever, but i can`t understand feeling offended by some fuckin`cartoon.....   get a life


and please read the article posted in post #45.      there`s something terribly wrong..... and i`m not speaking about tolerance !!  people in europe are doing everything to be tolerant and muslims think they can do whatever they want....  or don?t you think the bit about the bugerking ice creamn isn?t ridiculous??

[nesquick]

I

support Israel's stance. They're one of the few countries that recognize the fundamentalist Islam threat, and are fighting to preserve their culture. They also make the best tanks and have the best trained military in the world; they value quality over quantity in their army, and I like that. We could learn a lot from them; they kick our ass every time we have a war game.

Israel understands things faster than any other country in the world because they have no choice: They have had to face to terrorism for over 30 years, if not, they die. Defend themself against Terrorism is not new for Israel. Another thing to explain why this tiny country succeeds so well: Intelligence. Intelligence everywhere. People are extremely intelligent in this country. Everything goes at 100 miles/H.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I

support Israel's stance. They're one of the few countries that recognize the fundamentalist Islam threat, and are fighting to preserve their culture. They also make the best tanks and have the best trained military in the world; they value quality over quantity in their army, and I like that. We could learn a lot from them; they kick our ass every time we have a war game.

Israel understands things faster than any other country in the world because they have no choice: They have had to face to terrorism for over 30 years, if not, they die. Defend themself against Terrorism is not new for Israel. Another thing to explain why this tiny country succeeds so well: Intelligence. Intelligence everywhere. People are extremely intelligent in this country. Everything goes at 100 miles/H.

yeah Israel rocks !!! they have great tanks !! and i heard their rockets can kill like at 99% chances !!! that's pretty good !
and also they are the only one in the world who makes guns for kids !! yay ! man i can't wait to buy guns for kid !!
man israel kicks ass ....

?_____?

people need to take distance with such things as countries, governement and so on. you're not the car you drive. and you arenot the country you live in. even less a country you dont live in.

i mean, nesquick. move to israel already. you'e always rooting how great i am ? who does that ? are you that insecure ? why do you have tto bring how israel is great ALL THE TIME ? we GET IT !


back to the topic:
this is a very clear situation here. our non-spiritual-world (western civilization) clashes with a religious world. we dont understand them. they dont understand us.
our god is money.
their god is a book.

who would have thought that world war 3 will be a religious war .... ? we better kill our idols fast before they kill us.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Something I think alot of people are neglecting is that there is a refusal in the islamic world to adapt and change.  In the western world, we are litterally plagued with interests groups that want to change society for what they deem the better.  In the market place of ideas, those who present logic and sound arguments generally win.  If someone advocates for change in the Islamic world, they are immediately silenced or worse, killed.  To state that acts or terrorism and accepted Islam have no ties is a pipe dream.  With the exception of Turkey and Iraq (and now Afghanistan) every other middle eastern country derives their laws from the Koran.  When America and its allies made a choice to bomb Iraq or any other middle eastern nation, our streets weren't flooded with celebration at the announcement of civilan deaths.  If they were, our socities would frown upon those individuals whereas in the Middle East such acts are praised and supported from the ground up.  People forget that the majority of individuals in the Islamic community want to exterminate the Jews.  There is a difference between being a muslim in America and most of Europe and a muslim in the Middle East (although the line in Europe is quickly fading it seems).  What makes matters worse is when intelligent people from the West justify the actions and practices of the Middle East as simply culture.  How quickly they are to exclude that many of those practices in the Middle East were once the standard in the West but no longer are.  I can't believe that some people belive that basic human rights and equal rights don't apply to anyone outside of the West.

[nesquick]

are you that insecure ?

As long as Sarkozy is there, absolutely not.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

are you that insecure ?

As long as Sarkozy is there, absolutely not.

i was talking about your country (we sometimes wonder if you're french or not ...) , and feelings. not physical security. you always bring *isreal's great, isreal's that, israel's this ... " you sound like the guys who always babble about gay people .... insecurity. lack of confidence. live by yourself. not by your country or your mother's religion. the fact that you are jewish or what ever, is just a coincidence.



Guns N' Rock Music > well this is a good point. but let met tell you something. our universal moral, the oh so famous declaration of human rigth, so praised here in france, .... sometimes washed away by american military ( ... ) ... well , that is OUR point of view.

they are in a different culture. religion comes first. sacred comes first. why would they change ? why is *becoming more like us* a necessity ? that's not in our saying. they do it if they want.
last night on tv, the former foreign affair minister was talking about that, and made it clear. there are a lot of democrats and moderate muslim in these countries. they talk. in the press. in the books. but it's an internal fight. political too. these governments cannot show weekness here and move along with europe, understanding these cartoons ...  if they do so, they know that the islamists will take the opportunity to get public approval. that is what happened in Palestine. islamists use people's anger and desperation, and poverty. simple.

[Sakib]

Mark Steyn
'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences

February 5, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST?
 

Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked.

Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of "respect" for the Muslim faith.

Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.

Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.

That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.

One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street in not reprinting the offending cartoons.

No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but ixnay on both just to be "sensitive."

And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.

And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.

Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill you, which makes the question somewhat moot.

One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in practice, there's very little difference between living under Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."

? Mark Steyn, 2006




Copyright ? Mark Steyn, 2006

interesting article. Maybe the ice-cream was pathetic. However, the cartoons are offensive and like a said many a time, freedom of speech does not mean abuse others

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

freedom of speech means i can say what ever i want
if i wanna say " god is stupid" i can say it.
i mean marilyn manson said it
nietzsche said god is dead
i can make fun of god, of WHO ever i want.

the only limit is when it gets personal. are you mahomet ? no. he's dead. milliosn year ago. so voil?.

but man. it's a HUGE manipulation from Syria and Iran. i mean come on. the cartoon were released in SEPTEMBER.

syria is trying to slow down the investifgation on hariri assassination
and ira with the nuclear shit.

all politics. normal muslim dont care what a danish newspaper might say.

[Sakib]

no, like a said i blame the people who designed it and agreed to let it be put in papers NOT the government. i said i dont agree with the bashing of the embassies. ANY depiction of the Prophet Muhammad whether humurous or not is banned in islam. END OF STORY

Muhammad created Islam for political purposes: to destroy the native culture and religions of the Middle East so he could marry a 6 year old (consummated at age 9). Face it, that is disgusting. Look at what the Muslims did to the great Buddha statue. Look at the remains of many once beautiful Greek statues from Asia Minor, with the faces destroyed. They don't respect the art and ideals of others; fundamentalist Muslims only want to destroy.

Isn't it enough that Islam has 2 main holy cities: Mecca and Medina? They claim a THIRD city, Jerusalem, and want to take it from the Jews. Why can't they be happy with 2 holy cities and let the Jews have just 1? Why do they want to drive Israel into the sea if they have the whole damn Middle East, with all its oil?

I support Israel's stance. They're one of the few countries that recognize the fundamentalist Islam threat, and are fighting to preserve their culture. They also make the best tanks and have the best trained military in the world; they value quality over quantity in their army, and I like that. We could learn a lot from them; they kick our ass every time we have a war game.

I have Muslim friends who follow the basic tenets of Islam, but they reject the obvious garbage. Look at Surah 9:5. It commands Muslims to kill "idolaters" wherever they find them. Let's compare it with Christianity. Matthew 10:23 says Christians should leave where they are persecuted and go elsewhere. They should find people who will listen and leave the unbelievers alone. Judaism is sort of a combination. They fought for Canaan, but they stopped killing when they had a small bit of land for themselves.

The parts of the Koran that tells Muslims to impose their beliefs on outsiders is wrong. Moderate Muslims are good and ignore these bad parts from the 8th century, where they belong. Fundamentalists take it literally and have caused much suffering in the world.

Walk, you really are more biased than i thought. You seem to hate Muslims and thing that we're violent thugs. I could be wrong. Anyways, he're are a few ayaahs (verses from qur'aan) translated. focus on the bit i've highlighted from Walk's post. Ayaahs are number. i'm reading from Surah 9-At Taubah or Baraaa'ah (Repentence in arabic). quoting from surah 9:1-7

1.Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His Messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
2. Travel freely in the land four months, an know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His guidance).
3. And a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger to all men on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. so, if ye repent, it'll be better for you; but if ye are not averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve
4. Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (the muslims) gave a treaty and who have since abated nothing of your right not have supported anyone against you. Fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
5. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them, besiege them ?and prepae for them each ambush. but if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is forgiving and Merciful
6. And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh they protection (O Muhammad) then protect him so thay he may hear the word of Allah and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are folk who know not.
7. How can there be a treaty with Allah and with his Messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

I'm trying to show you guys Islam isnt bad. I'm no perfect example of a true muslim. no one on the media i can think of. think of it that if Islam was all about bombing and what not, why is it "the fastest growing religion in the world?" You think so many people in the world are prepared to destroy themselves and other innocents and act as animals and crash jets into buildings? if you do, you're crazy? ?

[Guns N RockMusic]

I'm trying to show you guys Islam isnt bad. I'm no perfect example of a true muslim. no one on the media i can think of. think of it that if Islam was all about bombing and what not, why is it "the fastest growing religion in the world?" You think so many people in the world are prepared to destroy themselves and other innocents and act as animals and crash jets into buildings? if you do, you're crazy? ?

Islam is the fastest growing religion because of the migration of Islam from the Middle East to Europe and the refusal or inability of most Muslims to educate themselves and see all religions (save Buddhism) for what they truly are; control.

[Eazy E]

However, the cartoons are offensive and like a said many a time, freedom of speech does not mean abuse others

Sure it does, haven't you ever seen an episode of South Park?

[chineseblues]

Walk, you really are more biased than i thought. You seem to hate Muslims and thing that we're violent thugs. I could be wrong.

Well if muslims don't want us to think they are violent thugs, then maybe they should stop acting that way?Destroying embasies, and calling for the kidnapping and dismembering of innocent people is most definately the work of voilent thugs. And who was it that ordered these things to happen? Hmm let me think... Oh right I got it, it was muslim religious leaders. Sure paints a funny picture for the rest of the world that's for sure.....

[Sakib]

Walk, you really are more biased than i thought. You seem to hate Muslims and thing that we're violent thugs. I could be wrong.

Well if muslims don't want us to think they are violent thugs, then maybe they should stop acting that way?Destroying embasies, and calling for the kidnapping and dismembering of innocent people is most definately the work of voilent thugs. And who was it that ordered these things to happen? Hmm let me think... Oh right I got it, it was muslim religious leaders. Sure paints a funny picture for the rest of the world that's for sure.....

So what? Whats your point? You think i agree with the embassies being destroyed? And no i've never seen south park. Normal Muslims DO CARE because what are people that don't know much about islam think??? If you gave it to a child who doesnt know, what'd they think?  It's kinda like Germany pre-World War 2. Unfortunately, due to unreliable leaders such as Saddam Hussain and ayatollahs, they need some law and order and it seems to them that the more radical parties seem to take more action if that makes sense. Btw, this shit with Palestine and Israel is going back 100s of years not 30. Do you believe everything you read and see on the news??

[Sakib]

and well..... i suppose those guys in indonesia burning the embassy of danemark are "a bit upset", too.....? it`s pathetic.

please notice that it`s not my aim to offend the regular muslims, but what`s going on among the hardliners (they seem to be quite much....) isn`t bearable anymore....? ?

i have to admit that i use to be a hardliner against bush. and i understand that the people in afghanistan and iraq don`t want american soldiers there, but burning the embassy of danemark goes too far......

i also understand that religion is an important part of the live of a muslim/christ/ whatever, but i can`t understand feeling offended by some fuckin`cartoon.....? ?get a life


and please read the article posted in post #45.? ? ? there`s something terribly wrong..... and i`m not speaking about tolerance !!? people in europe are doing everything to be tolerant and muslims think they can do whatever they want....? or don?t you think the bit about the bugerking ice creamn isn?t ridiculous??

tell me im wrong but you seem to think i wanted to burn the embassies. We're offended by the cartoon because of the image it gives about Muslims. And if you cant understand it, that your problem, as u've ignored so many of my posts (it seems to me that way) i'll say again, i was upset as were many but at least i manage to control myself from being ridiculous and burning Danish flags. I only agree with describing the implications of the idiot who drew that cartoons action in the future. Also, those people dont have to convert, its choice

[nesquick]

I was talking about your country (we sometimes wonder if you're french or not ...) , and feelings. not physical security. you always bring *isreal's great, isreal's that, israel's this ... " you sound like the guys who always babble about gay people .... insecurity. lack of confidence. live by yourself. not by your country or your mother's religion. the fact that you are jewish or what ever, is just a coincidence.

The problem is not if I feel "french" or not.? Obviously I feel french, and I am. The problem is that sometimes I do NOT feel "in France". Like million and million of French citizens. When I go to "portes de la chapelle" (just an exemple), I feel in Iran.

[Sakib]

What i don't believe the government is doing of all these "western countries" is reinforcing the law in immigrants heads. Some of them arent educated well enough to realise there's a law for everything. Due to terrible living states in some countries, you get kids and what not driving at the age of 6 (literally) and firing guns and what not at a young age. Now, if a child say has had these experiences, then by the time he's in his/her adulthood, s/he wont know any better (providing conditions dont change). When that adult migrates to western world where there's law and order (to some degree), s/he wont know what to do. s/he'll think they can buy a car and drive recklessly without a license. Believe they can sort arguments by beating people to deaths. THEY NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO!! LAW NEEDS REINFORCING!!