Axl mention on David Lee Roth radio show

[AxlsMainMan]

His hand is all over appetite and both UYI's but in terms of touring and what not, i think hes pretty replaceable.

Glad you thought so because Gilby-"I wana be Steven Tyler"-Clarke, Paul Tobias, or even now Richard Fortus hardly have the stage presence, nor song writing abilities Izzy is forever remembered in Gn'R for.

You say he wasn't really noticable on stage? Well Izzy didn't really play to be notice, he was often off in the corner bopping his head or foot totally engaged in the song he was rockin' through. I guess he didn't think he needed to be like Dick Fortus and jump around strumming open chords like a madman, to get his "rock n' roll edge" across..

[The Dog]

His hand is all over appetite and both UYI's but in terms of touring and what not, i think hes pretty replaceable.

Glad you thought so because Gilby-"I wana be Steven Tyler"-Clarke, Paul Tobias, or even now Richard Fortus hardly have the stage presence, nor song writing abilities Izzy is forever remembered in Gn'R for.

You say he wasn't really noticable on stage? Well Izzy didn't really play to be notice, he was often off in the corner bopping his head or foot totally engaged in the song he was rockin' through. I guess he didn't think he needed to be like Dick Fortus and jump around strumming open chords like a madman, to get his "rock n' roll edge" across..

Hmmm, you're still missing my point (prob my fault b/c i'm typing this while i'm trying to get some work done haha).  What i mean by replaceable is if Izzy was on stage and you close your eyes and gilby came on, I doubt you'd really notice the diff until you opened your eyes.

Now, do the same with Slash or Axl...I think you'd be able to notice.

[jmapelian]

Izzy, while a huge contributor, was more of a behind the scenes type guy.

I dont see how the guy who wrote the majority of Appetite is just another "behind the scenes" type of guy...

Make no mistake, Izzy was, and always will be the most important part of Gn'R when it comes to the music...

Sure Axl was always the centre of attention, but Izzy always was the man with the ideas..

Anyone notice since Izzy left on the UYI tour, Gn'R has been one step forward, two steps back since..?

Sure alot of shit's happened that doesn't even relate to Izzy's departure, but it's pretty ironic, the band didn't get overbloated and egotistical until he was out the door.

Actually, Izzy was still around for the writing and recording of the Illusion albums and many of the songs on the Illusion albums were written during the AFD days and before.....

He left for a few reasons relating to what that tour became (bloated) and the final cut of the Illusion albums(claims he couldn't even hear is guitar parts)

[Axl4Prez2004]

   I think alot of people out there will think of Van Halen when they think of GNR.  If New GNR is successful, which I think they will be, many will compare it to Van Halen, a successful band that was able to replace vital members and still put out great material.

  I don't know which would be tougher, losing the lead singer, or losing everybody except the lead singer and keyboardist!  Both are huge risks.  VH succeeded...I think GNR will as well.

  Oh yeah, and thanks alot Buddha_Master!  I'm listening to David Lee Roth, and you get Jenna J. climaxing  ...you lucky bastard.  I'm gonna go throw myself off a bridge! 

  To the Fortus bashers, c'mon guys, we haven't even heard what these guys have written, other than gems like The Blues, Maddy, and IRS (okay, that's an un-polished gem), along with a solid rocker in CD...I would say we're off to a pretty damn good start!  Blame Silkworms on Pittman and be done with it. 

   

[AxlsMainMan]

Hmmm, you're still missing my point (prob my fault b/c i'm typing this while i'm trying to get some work done haha).  What i mean by replaceable is if Izzy was on stage and you close your eyes and gilby came on, I doubt you'd really notice the diff until you opened your eyes.

Why in the world would I want to see Gn'R live with my eyes closed? It would totally ruin the experience for me...

You have a point, maybe I wouldnt notice a difference in playing with my eyes closed, but with them open, Gilby always struck me as "the replacement" while Izzy looked like the bad mu'fucker in the corner with a thousad different song ideas going through his head, but maybe thats just me.

Hmm, do you think if I unplugged Dizzy's keyboard anyone would notice?

[jameslofton29]

Hmm, do you think if I unplugged Dizzy's keyboard anyone would notice?

Yeah, maybe chris Pitman.

[BD888]

There are a lot of similarites with Axl and Diamond Dave when it comes to dominating the stage during live performances.  Both captivated their audiences,  improvised lyrics, paid a great deal of attention to detail, both liked spandex and scarves lol, and well both stood out from all their contempories.

You know Axl kinda took the mantle from DLR.

[AxlsMainMan]

Hmm, do you think if I unplugged Dizzy's keyboard anyone would notice?

Yeah, maybe chris Pitman.

Nah, Im sure Chris would just be happy he's no longer the only one playing unplugged

[Minneapolisnewsman]

Izzy, while a huge contributor, was more of a behind the scenes type guy.

I dont see how the guy who wrote the majority of Appetite is just another "behind the scenes" type of guy...

Make no mistake, Izzy was, and always will be the most important part of Gn'R when it comes to the music...

Sure Axl was always the centre of attention, but Izzy always was the man with the ideas..

Anyone notice since Izzy left on the UYI tour, Gn'R has been one step forward, two steps back since..?

Sure alot of shit's happened that doesn't even relate to Izzy's departure, but it's pretty ironic, the band didn't get overbloated and egotistical until he was out the door.

Actually, Izzy was still around for the writing and recording of the Illusion albums and many of the songs on the Illusion albums were written during the AFD days and before.....

He left for a few reasons relating to what that tour became (bloated) and the final cut of the Illusion albums(claims he couldn't even hear is guitar parts)

I have friends who are session players, and back in the day, their most common complaint about the illusions (one which I share with them), is that one can rarely hear Izzy on the final mix.  The strength of Appetite, and Lies, was the unique/up-tempo sleeze guitar style Izzy had, and the way it complemented and intertwined with Slash.  Actually, Izzy could solo better than Gilby, and played a few of the solo's on Appetite--had a J. Thunders feel (NY Dolls).  Also, Izzy and Robin Finck are similar in their loose/unorhodox rhythm styles-- relaxed, yet very engaging.  There is no doubt, that part of the big delay from Illusions to now is the departure of Izzy.

[jameslofton29]

You know Axl kinda took the mantle from DLR.

Read my post on the previous page to get a brief summary about that. Or maybe you already did, and thats how you came to that conclusion.

[pilferk]

His hand is all over appetite and both UYI's but in terms of touring and what not, i think hes pretty replaceable.

Glad you thought so because Gilby-"I wana be Steven Tyler"-Clarke, Paul Tobias, or even now Richard Fortus hardly have the stage presence, nor song writing abilities Izzy is forever remembered in Gn'R for.

You say he wasn't really noticable on stage? Well Izzy didn't really play to be notice, he was often off in the corner bopping his head or foot totally engaged in the song he was rockin' through.

With his amp turned off....



At least according to Axl.

Keep in mind, though, I'm with you.  Izzy is, IMHO, the unsung hero of early GnR.  Without Izzy there would be no AFD as we know it, and a vastly inferior UYI.

[dolphin]

Awww people, why such negative comments about diamond dave?

He kicked ass in concert.

And he's funny.  One point, he raised a bottle of Jack Daniels (which I and my friends thought it was probably a stage prop and the jack daniels bottle was filled with iced tea), but he said, "Welcome to Diamond Dave's tropical tiki hut happy hour---5pm til february"

[AxlsMainMan]

Keep in mind, though, I'm with you.  Izzy is, IMHO, the unsung hero of early GnR.  Without Izzy there would be no AFD as we know it, and a vastly inferior UYI.

Without Izzy, Guns N' Roses simply never would have been...

I doubt alot of us would truly be here today discussing this band if all we had to discuss, and cherish year by year was the UYI records.

[WARose]

Keep in mind, though, I'm with you.  Izzy is, IMHO, the unsung hero of early GnR.  Without Izzy there would be no AFD as we know it, and a vastly inferior UYI.

Without Izzy, Guns N' Roses simply never would have been...

I doubt alot of us would truly be here today discussing this band if all we had to discuss, and cherish year by year was the UYI records.

i don`t like all this "if" and "would" shit..... if izzy wouldn`t have been in gnr there wouldn`t have been illusion records to discuss......   this could be said about every former gnr member

[AxlsMainMan]

i don`t like all this "if" and "would" shit.....

Haven't you noticed the large majority of discussion in this section is primarily centred around "what ifs" and "woulds.."...

[The Dog]

i don`t like all this "if" and "would" shit.....

Haven't you noticed the large majority of discussion in this section is primarily centred around "what ifs" and "woulds.."...

I think "what if?" will be the question that will define GNR as a rock band in a historical aspect.  I could sit down and spend a day writing "what if" queestions about this band and its members (ex and current). 

[madagas]

Newswoman, I think one of the reasons Izzy left was because he got "mixed out" of a lot on the Illusions. Even his songs are dominated by Slash's guitar-not so much on AFD. To me, that was the first signs of a power play on Slash's part to control the sound of the band. He had an ego as well as the redhead. Such a predictable band breakup. ps Diamond Dave is the fuckin man-don't anyone ever forget it. My first hard rock concerts were Rush in 1982 and the mighty VH in 84. Ahhh, the days of youth and pot smoke floating through the rafters of the Omni.

[Buddha_Master]

Newswoman, I think one of the reasons Izzy left was because he got "mixed out" of a lot on the Illusions. Even his songs are dominated by Slash's guitar-not so much on AFD. To me, that was the first signs of a power play on Slash's part to control the sound of the band. He had an ego as well as the redhead. Such a predictable band breakup. ps Diamond Dave is the fuckin man-don't anyone ever forget it. My first hard rock concerts were Rush in 1982 and the mighty VH in 84. Ahhh, the days of youth and pot smoke floating through the rafters of the Omni.

But I'll ask again. Did David Lee Roth have Jenna Jameson climaxing and Cumming all over a pimp Sybian just because he asked her too. No son, Diamond Dave is not the fuckin man.

[madagas]

No, that's because Diamond has probably already nailed her..... No need to go back for cheap thrills after you've gotten the biscuit.

[Buddha_Master]

riiiight. Well madagas, if believing that will help you get through your day... go for it?