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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2006, 09:42:24 PM »

I don't remember them!
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2006, 10:53:15 PM »

i dont even remember ten movies i saw in the first half of this decade
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2006, 09:55:11 AM »

are we talking about *real* films or pop corn crap ?

I was waiting for that.  Tongue

You do it in every thread that comes up about film.

You know, film is subjective, but only as far as the viewer is able to appreciate different films, it is not something innate. Film is enjoyed on different levels. It takes an entirely different approach to enjoy, say, Le Mepris than it would to enjoy Batman Begins or The Crow.

If you're going to sit back in your chair with a scowl on your face whenever you watch something from [what you would deem to be] Hollywood, then of course you're not going to enjoy it.

Now, don't confuse this with having to 'lower your IQ' to enjoy mainstream film. It really is just about having a different approach, as well as finding enjoyment in other parts of the film.

You, with your Akira Kurosawa's, Roman Polanski's or whoever else it is that you are into, are just as trapped as those that watch only mainstream releases and deam the arthouses to be full of shit. Or, to borrow an analogy if I may, you're just trapped on one level of the Tower.  Tongue

Okay, and fair enough, maybe you can't enjoy mainstream movies (personally I think that you're just not trying), but that is, on the whole, your problem. I only point it out because your anti-popular culture stance is getting boring.  Tongue

And I mean it when I say that I think that you're just not trying. You don't want to like popular American films. Yes, there is a lot of shit in Hollywood. But, there are also some fantastic films occasionaly released.

Try watching Finding Neverland, or Eternal Sunshine. Maybe you have?, and maybe you didn't enjoy them...

But, as I say, it is your issue, so stop with the condescending attitude.

How about it, eh?

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Oh, a list you say? Well, I'm never good with them. But the two that I mentioned above would certainly be included.

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2006, 07:28:06 PM »

Now what the fucked happened to supermike a.k.a (mikeb - buddy J. B.)  Huh  Undecided
I dont get it supermike what the hell? now you are supermike again  Huh
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2006, 03:43:26 AM »

Now what the fucked happened to supermike a.k.a (mikeb - buddy J. B.)? Huh? Undecided
I dont get it supermike what the hell? now you are supermike again? Huh
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2006, 11:32:45 AM »

I can't remember 10 but what comes to mind is:

LOTR
Zoolander
Brokeback Mountain
Finding Neverland
Pirates of the Carribean
Anchorman
Shrek

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2006, 12:07:43 PM »



Kate Winslet fan Jim?

Alright, gonna throw in my favorite's here then..

Eternal Sunshine...
Team America
Oh Brother
Training Day
The Royal Tenembaums
21 Grams
Requiem for a Dream
The Curse of the Scprpion Jade
Kill Bill Vol. 1 - 2
Zoolander
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2006, 01:08:39 PM »

Kate Winslet fan Jim?

Yeah, I noticed that after I had posted, but they were the first two great films of recent times that came to mind...

Maybe I have a subconscious thing for her...

Though, she is great.

Actually, fuck it, it's not subconscious, I'm definatly a fan!
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2006, 01:33:12 PM »

Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind
Training Day
Requiem For A Dream
Sin City
21 Grams
Wonderland
Almost Famous
Lost In Translation
Bubba Ho-Tep
The Chronicals of Narnia
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2006, 01:58:48 PM »

are we talking about *real* films or pop corn crap ?

I was waiting for that.  Tongue

You do it in every thread that comes up about film.

You know, film is subjective, but only as far as the viewer is able to appreciate different films, it is not something innate. Film is enjoyed on different levels. It takes an entirely different approach to enjoy, say, Le Mepris than it would to enjoy Batman Begins or The Crow.

If you're going to sit back in your chair with a scowl on your face whenever you watch something from [what you would deem to be] Hollywood, then of course you're not going to enjoy it.

Now, don't confuse this with having to 'lower your IQ' to enjoy mainstream film. It really is just about having a different approach, as well as finding enjoyment in other parts of the film.

You, with your Akira Kurosawa's, Roman Polanski's or whoever else it is that you are into, are just as trapped as those that watch only mainstream releases and deam the arthouses to be full of shit. Or, to borrow an analogy if I may, you're just trapped on one level of the Tower.  Tongue

Okay, and fair enough, maybe you can't enjoy mainstream movies (personally I think that you're just not trying), but that is, on the whole, your problem. I only point it out because your anti-popular culture stance is getting boring.  Tongue

And I mean it when I say that I think that you're just not trying. You don't want to like popular American films. Yes, there is a lot of shit in Hollywood. But, there are also some fantastic films occasionaly released.

Try watching Finding Neverland, or Eternal Sunshine. Maybe you have?, and maybe you didn't enjoy them...

But, as I say, it is your issue, so stop with the condescending attitude.

How about it, eh?

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Oh, a list you say? Well, I'm never good with them. But the two that I mentioned above would certainly be included.

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heck NO !.

alright Jim. i gotcha.

the thing is that .... i do watch a lot of crappy/mainstream movies. i watched even the Day after Tomorow few days ago ....
but, you see. im really not trying to be smart and force myself into liking artsy korean flicks or eastern europe black n white movies..

Because i have hated all the *great directors*, i was hating all this hype around Godard and kurosawa, and mizoguchi and so on. I was loving reservoir dogs and natural born killers and even fight club (what a shame !) ... and when i was reading stuff about mizoguchi and other masters i got sick. i was like " what the hell !! ", who are these people ? i hated that intellectual trend and shit.
but i was kinda buzzed and intrigued by all that. so i watched these movies. and i understood (i have seen the light !!!  Grin Grin )

films are subjective. al'right. but some are better than others. same with food. taste is subjective. but 3stars restaurants taste better than mcdonalds.
and I AM NOT anti popular culture of films. i love clueless and star wars and will ferrel and i liked lord of war and the aviator .
it is just that mainstream movies (im sorry there are no other words) ARE the fuckin same all the time.

same structure. same mechanism. same plots. same emotions. > STANDARDS and RULE.
they know what works. they know what emotions the audience is waiting > they do it.

like, i wanted to go see that movie , last night with some friends (well they didnt want ... but ... rain check)

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0413358/

http://www.festival-cannes.fr/films/fiche_film.php?langue=6002&id_film=4256722

It's a Sri Lankan (?sp?) movie. (recieved camera price at cannes) - i m not trying to be cool with watching movies from sri lanka. but i know it has more potential to be good than .... let say .... Munich.
because Munich, or .. let's say .... Good Night, and Good Luck ... will serve me what i have been served for years. i've seen it all.
these new "mainstream" movies. are indeed about different subjects, different plots, different actors, different music ... but in the end it is the same. i can assure you.
same mechanisms. same systems. same emotions/characters equations. it works. it worked. but watching different stuff makes these other movies taste ...very bleh.

i have watched eternal sunshine. it's pretty good. really. i watch it all. but people need to go towards mizoguchi and others.
and i have so many more directors that i didnt see anything from. and i m waiting for that more than the next burton soup.

but hey. i was like that. i was just like you. and why do i like these movies now ?
you know, find me ONE person that sat calmly and voluntarilly in front of a godard / mizoguchi or any other Great Director (no spielberg is not great ...) and went back saying " nah, i'm gonna stick with burton and spielberg .... "

it's not like a we're a cult where when you start watchin *artsy* films you have to swear not to say that it's all a scam and pretend to like intellectual stuff.
everything is not for everybody. but i can assure you that there better movies. really.
and instead of picking between the crappy ones, let's just pick between the good ones.
you want action ? 7 samurai or The Terminator Smiley
coolness ? godard
happiness ? taste of tea

i dunno ... if these movies are talked as Great Movies ... there are reasons.
do not stop watchin Sin City and 21 grams and all. i did it. i'm glad. but watch OTHER stuff. watch koran film. sri lanka movies. older stuff. watch it all. and .... without you knowing it .... you'll see that all these Sin City emotions you were getting were ... fake Smiley

why are Guns n' Roses or The Rollingstones better than Good Charlotte ?  ....
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2006, 06:33:32 PM »

I see your point, and I guess it's a valid one....

But I can't help but get the feeling that you kind of missed mine.  Undecided

Not entirely, of course, but...Well, most of it.

do not stop watchin Sin City and 21 grams and all. i did it. i'm glad. but watch OTHER stuff. watch koran film. sri lanka movies. older stuff. watch it all. and .... without you knowing it .... you'll see that all these Sin City emotions you were getting were ... fake Smiley

My main point was that I do watch foreign films...I do watch the older stuff. I finished my film A-Level last year. I'll begin studying Film again come the end of the year. I'd like to think that I'm quite widely...watched. Maybe I needed to be more explicit (?), but my previous post wasn't a pro-Mainstream Mainstream vs. Minority (even if that term isn't strictly true) rant. I hope it didn't come across that way?

It was more a...Mainstream appreciation post.

I've seen a lot of films, a lot of different films, and I now feel I have the capicity to enjoy so many of them in different ways.

and instead of picking between the crappy ones, let's just pick between the good ones.
you want action ? 7 samurai or The Terminator Smiley

No.

I won't pick. Because, see, I love both of those movies. And, really, that was where I was comming from.

While I love both of those movies, to me they serve different purposes. I can happily throw on Terminator to kill some time. I don't need to watch all of it. Likewise with, say, Pulp Fiction. I love that I know all of the words. I love how I've seen them both to death. I love how I can turn it off, or join it half-way through. Either way, I'll still be content. And you know, that's part of cinema.

Could I do that with Seven Samurai? Not really. I would rather not leave  It would leave me feeling...Hollow? That form of art needs to be viewed as a whole to truly be appreciated, if you really want to be touched. Hell, I know I wouldn't feel satisfied if I turned it off midway through, watching Samurai eating rice.

As for the band analogy, it's inedequate at best because Good Charlotte are, what? Merely a bad immitation of the Stones or GNR, a band trying to be in the same league but failing pretty badly. Now, Mainstream (yeah, we do need another word) is a different form of cinema to...To what? Cinema Verite...Neo-Realism...Foreign...films with subtitles...Black and white films...Foreign black and white films, with subtitles...Call it what you like. They [should] touch you in different ways.

See, I don't even judge them on the same scale.

A more adequate analogy would be...Why are Pink Floyd better than Choking Victim?

My answer? They're not. They both serve entirely different purposes, they cater to different needs. And that is why film is 'subjective.' As I said before, it's just enjoyed on different levels.  Smiley Some people stay on the same level, while others choose to float between.


One final note. Maybe I've just chanced to see what may be random mentions but...I couldn't help but notice that your most recent (that I have noticed) examples of...Mainstream (I'm starting to hate that word) have been The Day After Tommorow and Lord of War...

Here, we can sub-divide, so I can do away with that fucking word.  Smiley The above two are examples of high concept films. There's no need for me to be patronising, this is simple stuff. My point, however, with mentioning Eternal Sunshine and Finding Neverland (please, see it. If you don't like it, all hope is lost. It's beautiful.  Smiley) before was that they are an entirely different form of...Mainstream cinema. It doesn't have to all be high concept. There are a lot of things comming out of Hollywood that are not high concept. This is, on the whole, is what Spielberg does, and has done so consitently for pretty much his entire carreer.

While we're on the subject, why is Spielberg regarded as great? Because he fucking invented the Summer Blockbuster. Half of the films released are there because of Spielberg. Is that a bad thing? Maybe for you. But as far as the blockbuster goes, if you like, then you love Spielberg.

Finally, yes, yes, Hollywood is full of shit, and there are a lot of bad movies comming out. There allways have been, just the worse ones get forgotten in time...

Hollywood has it's problems, and is making shit, but at the same time it's still spewing out very watchable shit.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2006, 06:48:57 PM »

cool post. really.
i gotta go to bed tho.
be back tomorow Wink

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