So Wait Up (WTF?)...Slash and Duff are Now Cool Doing a "Concept Album?"

[jmapelian]

the minions are probably worried that VR will make a great concept album in ten months not ten years...man that would hurt.

No one is worried about VR making a good album

 

Im actually interested on this one, we all know this people have talent -or had anyway-? if they get far away from contraband it could turn out to be interesting, especially if it's scott calling the shots...

AND IVE SAID IT BEFORE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN:

if this album has some piano or ten minute songs; I will laugh my ass off at all the axl haters.

Well I doubt there will be any ten minute piano songs and I'm sure it will come out before Chi Dem

[Carlos_f_Rose]

So the projects name is LIBERTAD, interesting word by the way. And like Scott said "It can mean several things"

[Top-Hatted One]

shouldn't it be Liberdad in spanish. Isn't Libetad latin?

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I read in the news that its LIBERTAD the spanish word.

[Top-Hatted One]

you're right Libertad is spanish

[Judge Dredd]

If it is anywhere as good as the 'concept' albums put out by The Who and Pink Floyd, 'twill be mint.

[marknroses]

Last I checked, AFD and UYI were concept albums. There's clearly a running theme to both.
I would have even argued that Contraband is a concept album in some way (all about Scott;s and the other member's drug habits and how they overcame them).

I honestly didn;t think that VR could top Contraband, but if they can which they clearly indicating is a total possibility, then they could very well catapulr themselves to the forefront of rock music today (up there with bands like Green Day).

BTW - Slash and Duff left GNR for separate reasons. Slash left because of the musical directions that Axl wanted to take and Duff left because Axl wasn't on schedule anymore and was holding back his own personal life by being late to sessions. But both reasons were directly involving Axl and his poor decision making which has plagued his bandmates and fans since 1994.
 
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[mikegiuliana]

There are a lot of great musicians out there, but without a great front man, you won't get anywhere.? ?Popularity is gained from having a singer who knows how to sing, control a crowd, entertain, move, challenge, etc.? Slash, Duff, Matt,etc are all great musicians don't get me wrong, but Axl deserves better from you GNR fans.? Because in all honesty,? Axl made those guys.? Do you honestly think GNR would have been the same without Axl?? When looking at a great band, look no further than the front man.? A great guitar player can't make a band, but a great front man can.? ?

You are dead wrong. Axl didn't make the other guys, they made themselves, just like Axl made himself. Have you heard Rapidfire, Hollywood Rose? There were no Slash, no Duff, no Steven, just Axl and Izzy from the calssic line-up. And their music is below average. Noone would have bought their record. Noone. The magic of the 5 made Guns N' Roses, not Axl only. Look what he's done since 1996-1997. Nothing. Without the other guys, Izzy, Duff, Steven and mostly Slash Axl would be nothing. Just like Slash would be without the other 4.

Why is it so hard to understand for Axl lovers that Guns N' Roses wasn't him? Well, now he's Guns N' Roses, and we all enjoy his great vision and the music he's made since everyone left.

I see your point.? However, don't call me an Axl lover.? I love GNR, plain and simple.? If someone was ripping on Slash or Duff on here, I would defend them as well.? Just because I think Axl ment more to GNR doesn't mean that I don't like the other guys.? And as for Axl being Guns N Roses now, I guess we will have to wait and see how Chinese Democracy does.? I just have a hunch that Chinese Democracy (if it ever comes out) will be much better than Slash's Snakepit, or Velvet Revolver, or any other band since they split up.? The other guys are great, don't get me wrong, but Axl took them to a whole new level.

And I understand your point about Rapidfire, and Hollywood Rose, but it's a rarity for someone to be there best on there first or second try.? That goes for anything.? Michael Jordan wasnt his best when he first came into the NBA.? Jim Carrey wasn't his best when he first became an actor.? Steven Tyler wasn't his best when he first hit the stage.? And I certainly wasn't my best the first time I had sex... ? ? ?

Alright I see your point. For me Slash was the most important part of GN'R, and I'm a die-hard fan of the two Snakepit incarnations, too. I just love his guitar playing. But some people prefer Axl's parts. It's fine.?

see that's the point, not everyone viewed axl as the most important of influential member of gnr.. Many of us got interested in gnr when we heard the guitar, hearijng slash is a big reason many of people from the past generation went out and bought guitars..

No doubt axl played a huge roll in gnr's success, but I think the five guys did it together.. Take a show like seinfeld, it took the team to make the show great.. That is like afd gnr.. Seinfeld split with the team broken up isn't quite as good

So for me as much as I loved the team, and axl rose slash is what made me want to hear many of those heavy guitar songs with great solos..

[D]

dont know if this has been mentioned but how stupid is Axl gonna look if VR do an amazing concept record in about 6 months???

[mikegiuliana]

dont know if this has been mentioned but how stupid is Axl gonna look if VR do an amazing concept record in about 6 months???

D I'll tell you the difference I think between vr and new gnr is the instruments and the amount of people used in the band.. I think more die hard new gnr fans follow axl because they like his diversity with instruments and ballads... Simply saying with axl you will get keyboards synths and piano ballads (people looking for the next estranged or november rain) With vr you can possibly get a hint of that... Even so vr will probably throw a ballad here n there and give you straight up rock.. I think no matter how good their album is it won't compare in a new gnr only fan's mind because they want  Maddy, the blues, estranged, and NR where as they will never get that from vr...

I think axl looks stupid already even if cd is great... The waiting, the holding back his band members from their gnr project.. If he puts out  agreat album I will love it but as a fan nothing will justify the wait or lack of communication betwen him and the fans

[Genesis]

dont know if this has been mentioned but how stupid is Axl gonna look if VR do an amazing concept record in about 6 months???

Yeah. Working on an album for 11 years is stupid enough, without having to be upstaged by ur ex-band members.

[Top-Hatted One]

dont know if this has been mentioned but how stupid is Axl gonna look if VR do an amazing concept record in about 6 months???

D I'll tell you the difference I think between vr and new gnr is the instruments and the amount of people used in the band.. I think more die hard new gnr fans follow axl because they like his diversity with instruments and ballads... Simply saying with axl you will get keyboards synths and piano ballads (people looking for the next estranged or november rain) With vr you can possibly get a hint of that... Even so vr will probably throw a ballad here n there and give you straight up rock.. I think no matter how good their album is it won't compare in a new gnr only fan's mind because they want  Maddy, the blues, estranged, and NR where as they will never get that from vr...

I think axl looks stupid already even if cd is great... The waiting, the holding back his band members from their gnr project.. If he puts out  agreat album I will love it but as a fan nothing will justify the wait or lack of communication betwen him and the fans

good point Mike! no wonder it's so hard to please that party over there

[moreblack]

don't worry about them, just enjoy the new VR when it comes.

[-Jack-]

Last I checked, AFD and UYI were concept albums. There's clearly a running theme to both.

You beat me to it man. I was thinking about the exact same thing yesterday. I dunno about UYI... but I was gonna say "You people need to understand that AFD is in itself a concept record"... its got a running theme throughout. Its all about the street life.. drugs, sex, and rock n' roll motherfuckers.

and before anyone comes out and tells me why what VR is doing is different.. I understand.. they're going for an "offical" concept record.. and theyre working on an "album" not "a bunch of songs" like DSOTM.. i get it..

dont know if this has been mentioned but how stupid is Axl gonna look if VR do an amazing concept record in about 6 months???

Omg dude.. that would be so embaressing... I can't even express it. Oh god.. I can even imagine the reviews... "VR has done in 6 months what Axl Rose has taken 10 years to do, and with the release of this new record it doesn't seem like anyone cares anymore" .. O well.. at least I'll have something to listen to.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I think Scott Weilland can make as good songs as Axl. He is a strong creative force.

[jameslofton29]

I think Scott Weilland can make as good songs as Axl. He is a strong creative force.

Yeah, Scott's a 'strong creative force', but nowhere even close to Axl. Scotts best work is Core, and it went downhill from there.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Well I hope Scott overwhelms us all this time.

[RichardNixon]

I think Scott Weilland can make as good songs as Axl. He is a strong creative force.

Yeah, Scott's a 'strong creative force', but nowhere even close to Axl. Scotts best work is Core, and it went downhill from there.

I would argue the opposite is true. The later-day STP albums--"Tiny Music," "No4," "SLDD" are far more creative than "Core," which, although a good album, is his LEAST creative work. As far as creativity goes, I'd go with "12 Bar Blues," an underrated masterpiece.

[Top-Hatted One]

Core? ha that is their least creative work by far. They made a conscious effort to not make the same record twice with every release

[Communist China]

You can make a rock and roll concept album. Axl was moving into move orchestral crap, and most of all he was a dictating asshole who couldn't get anything done.