The Iraq / war on terror thread

[kockstar99]

These people are animals and they should all be killed.  I say turn the middle east into a fucking parking lot.

I agree 1000 percent... theres nothing worth a shit over there that contributes to the world as a whole..  They just fucking throw rocks at each other and say its for religion..

When i saw that they put a bomb on some poor kid and sent him to blow him self up i was like what for?? For Palestine??

Whats ssooo fucking worth dying for in Palestine.. Id love to go carpet bomb the place and build a fucking bunch of Strip Malls, Amusement Parks, Ferris Wheels.... 4 lane highways...  Bars and Booze,... Strip clubs and porn on every corner... fill that place full of Americana and make it worth something...

Its a bunch of fucking Sand and they kill each other for it?

Fuck Palestine
Fuck Iraq
Fuck Islam
Fuck Alquida
Fuck the oil
Fuck the camels
Fuck the quoran

Fuck those people they can all fucking throw rocks at each other for a bunch of sand in the desert till the end of time for all i care, but to start to strap bombs to children is just sick and shows how fucking savage and uneducated they are

If i was a pilot over there id drop tons or porn mags and movies all over for them to see....


ok go ahead flame away at my post......but thats the way i feel... that place is shit... the majority of people there are shit... the religion is shit... the sand is shit... palastine is shit....

Guns n Roses 2004...

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Its a bunch of fucking Sand and they kill each other for it?

Fuck the oil

And therein lies the answer to why people give a fuck for that sandy place...the oil of course.  No one in their right mind would not want to control that area.  

Posted by: DRUNK
Don't even go comparing Islam to any other religion.

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"   -- Monty Python's Flying Circus  

[Mattman]

One of these days I'm gonna take a look at the Qu'ran and just see what jihad actually means.  I think whenever religion is used to justify wars and atrocities, you can usually put it down to a problem of interpretation.  What I was trying to say was that this incident goes way beyond anything sanctioned by religion or whatever.  You can say what you like about this happening in all wars, but there's a difference this time: part of the reason (notice that I said PART) of the reason for invading Iraq was to free the Iraqi people.  It's not like these people did this in self-defence against attacking soldiers; they murdered American civilians and desecrated the bodies.

Hell, maybe Arabs just don't WANT democracy.  Or maybe they're uneducated.  But I'll say this: the people who strung up those bodies proved that they are uncivilized barbarians.  Most Arabs aren't, of course.  Although I will say that they're starting to piss me off.  If you'll go back to 1948, originally Israel and Palestine were two separate countries.  But neighbouring Arab countries invaded it almost immediately and the Israelis had to fight them off.  So Palestinians could have had a separate country all along if they hadn't had jihad up their asses all the time.

[Rain]

Some posts in here are absolutely unbelievable ... The uneducated ones seems to be in here ... Please some of you do you a favor and actually learn the history of middle-east ... It's not savages throwing rocks at each other ...  
I have to agree in some extend with Misfit ... war is a terrible thing and it seems it hasn't finished in Iraq ...  

[Chris Misfit]

Id love to go carpet bomb the place and build a fucking bunch of Strip Malls, Amusement Parks, Ferris Wheels.... 4 lane highways...  Bars and Booze,... Strip clubs and porn on every corner... fill that place full of Americana and make it worth something...

That's the funniest post I've ever read on this board. A little bit of redneck, will do everyone good, haha!

So what, add a bit of america and then all the problems will disappear? You are aware that americans are also killing each other every day, at an alarming rate?

ok go ahead flame away at my post......but thats the way i feel... that place is shit... the majority of people there are shit... the religion is shit... the sand is shit... palastine is shit....

Guns n Roses 2004...

Why did you type GNR below?

You are by far the most uneducated person here. You don't even have a legitimite argument, you just rant on and on about hate. Well, I'm not going to try and stop you. You want to hate a race of people you've never met, or know little about, fine. At least other people here can justify their hatred by making valid points, you've just got a screw loose, and are probably going through puberty.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

i'd love to see the OSCARS ceremony bombed
i'd love to see 200 hundreds of so called " superstars" die.
yup,
thats what i thought when i heard about the madrid terrorist bombing.
thats what i thought when i heard about the crazy iraqis.

i really would not be sad if i learnt that micheal jackson dies, or julia roberts or anyone like that. that would free the mind of a lot of people i think.

thats not really the point of the topic, but yeah well.

kockstar : you (and i) can't understand whats going on over there. you eat what you want, you have internet connection, you have $100 pair of shoes.
we just don't understand

 

[kockstar99]

That's the funniest post I've ever read on this board. A little bit of redneck, will do everyone good, haha!

thanks! I try....

So what, add a bit of america and then all the problems will disappear?

maybe, maybe not... but at least there would be something over there worth a shit...

You are aware that americans are also killing each other every day, at an alarming rate?

we dont strap bombs to children.. and even if, so what.. humans are not all good..

why did you type GNR below?

Coz thats what i care about... not palestine,  or any other shit...

You are by far the most uneducated person here.

Thanks!!  

You don't even have a legitimite argument,

I didnt try to make one...

you just rant on and on about hate.

no i ranted on and on about the shit hole thats called the middle east

Well, I'm not going to try and stop you.

Good coz it wouldn't do you any good anyways...

You want to hate a race of people you've never met, or know little about, fine.

I have met them... 3 deployments over there in the US Navy... 95, 98, 01,... Ive been there and know what a waste of time it was... Ive been to Bahrain, U.A.E. Saudi.
Have you?

At least other people here can justify their hatred by making valid points,

i dont try to justify anything... I would have to care or give a shit what others think to justify it... I cant change what others think about that place, No point in trying..

you've just got a screw loose, and are probably going through puberty.

hmmm maybe....  

[kockstar99]

It's not savages throwing rocks at each other ...  

Hmm yes it is... what would you call it then?? a fucking tea party? a friendly game of dodge ball on the playground??

Savages that dont contribute anything good to the world.. hmm let me count what good has come from the middle east in the last 500 years,? (edit per below post)

Invented the Internet??  hmm no

Space exploration? no, no,
 
Disease vaccinations? hmm wait, no not that either,

nothing in any way that i can think of,

Well maybe some Oil, but that was just the luck of the draw...

wars, deasise, genocide, assasination attempts, dictators, terrorists....

yep!! id say that pretty much sums it up there smart girl...
 

Savages throwing rocks...

Geez? and you thought i was "uneducated" how about "opinionated?" yeah thats it...

[Chris Misfit]

wars, deasise, genocide, assasination attempts, dictators, terrorists....

yep!! id say that pretty much sums it up there smart girl...

Dude, the wheel, glass and even the alpahabet were invented in the middle east.

I really think you need to stop watching CNN, and get an opinion of your own.

[kockstar99]

Dude, the wheel, glass and even the alpahabet were invented in the middle east.

hmm so its been quite awhile since anything worth a shit came from there... sorry ill change my post to read

"nothing worth a shit has come from there for along time"

[Mattman]

Some posts in here are absolutely unbelievable ... The uneducated ones seems to be in here ... Please some of you do you a favor and actually learn the history of middle-east ... It's not savages throwing rocks at each other ...  
I have to agree in some extend with Misfit ... war is a terrible thing and it seems it hasn't finished in Iraq ...  

Like kockstar99 said, nothing really good has come from the Middle East in a long time.  Sure, at one point, Arabs were the most advanced, tolerant people on Earth.  But that was in the Middle Ages.  I would have to read a history of the Middle East to learn exactly what went wrong, but you can be pretty sure that part of the reason there are so many problems there (and all over the world today) is because of European colonial meddling, which exploited indigeneous peoples.

That said, we're a long way away from European imperialism today (although some might argue we're experiencing American imperialism).  So why are there so many problems in the Middle East?  I think the paramount reason would have to be a lack of education.  Research has shown that the more educated people are, the more tolerant they're likely to be.  Right now, Arabs tend to have little education and be indoctrinated from birth that America is "The Great Satan".  That's why I initially thought that the neo-conservative dream of spreading democracy throughout the Middle East was a good idea - if the people are given more education, they might become more tolerant and realize that mutilating people is not the most effective way to win people over to your point of view.

My prevailing attitude towards the Middle East right now is simply one of frustration, which is really why I started this post.  Night after night after night, I watch the news or read the paper and see suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq, people throwing rocks, and huge demonstrations of Arabs marching through the street burning American flags, firing AK-47s into the air and chanting threats of revenge - against Israel, against America, against anything they consider un-Islamic.  And I just think to myself, "Why?"  It seems like we never make any progress towards true peace in the Middle East.  Their leaders often encourage anti-Americanism, while our leaders are controlled by their thirst for oil.

It's a funny thing...if you get two people, an Arab and an American, into a room, and remove all pretense, there's a good chance they'll like each other and get along.  But throw in religious dogma, politicians, weapons, culture, economic differences, and multiply the people by a few hundred million, and you get total hostility and peace becoming increasingly difficult.  A person is reasonable...people are crazy.  

[jarmo]

Research has shown that the more educated people are, the more tolerant they're likely to be.  Right now, Arabs tend to have little education and be indoctrinated from birth that America is "The Great Satan".

But the thing is, uneducated closeminded people are everywhere. They're not just located in certain parts of the globe.



/jarmo

[Mattman]

But the thing is, uneducated closeminded people are everywhere. They're not just located in certain parts of the globe.

Hmm...that's an interesting thought...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

it's not like american are smart or anything
they're just as dumb as the middle east people.

the american engineer in NASA didnt invented that little robot out of nowhere, they did it cause billions little things were invented before that.
all our "modern and western" knowledge comes from what people invented in the middle age and before
and the whole world took part of it, middle east, and all.

don't blame middle east - at least the countries with problems-, they're just like that cause the western world rules the world by power. thats it.
and, you talking about bahrein, some people over their have enough money to buy our whole family.
and the united states are what they are thx to their oil.

and don't judge people by what they invent, cause, hmm, i don't think you'll get far, what did u do ? what studies ? are you going to invent anything ?

but come on, american INVADED iraq  because weapons of mass destruction...
there isnt and they won't leave, cause they cant't, first because it would show their failure, and then cause now they HAVE to take care of that country....
how do you want the crowd to react, espcially the greedy people there that try to take advantage of the chaos....

soon, god will come down from heaven, and .... nah, just teasing

[Doc Emmett Brown]

nothing really good has come from the Middle East in a long time.  Sure, at one point, Arabs were the most advanced, tolerant people on Earth.  But that was in the Middle Ages.

I would hesitate to make such a blanket statement.  Ahmed Zewail is a professor at the university where I live, and he recently won the Nobel prize in chemistry.  He's from Egypt - the country with the Pyramids and the evil-looking Arab men...(joke).  There are many smart people like him who left their own country due to the lack of opportunities.

So I agree with you that the Arab countries in of themselves have not been very productive, and the main reason is most likely the lack of education.  

The few people who are educated leave for a better place (i.e the Western world).  The US has benefitted greatly from their contributions.

if the people are given more education, they might become more tolerant and realize that mutilating people is not the most effective way to win people over to your point of view.

This takes time.  It wont happen in a few months or even a few years.  And in the meantime there will be plenty of violence and bloodshed to satisfy the media.  

Having said that, the US is in dire need of some education as well.  There are plenty of bigots here too who could use a little education.  The difference is that, overall, there are more opportunities to live peacefully here, than over there.

My prevailing attitude towards the Middle East right now is simply one of frustration, which is really why I started this post.  Night after night after night, I watch the news or read the paper and see suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq [..]
Their leaders often encourage anti-Americanism, while our leaders are controlled by their thirst for oil.

Frustration, exasperation, indifference - I've seen it all.  It's always a few fervent fundamentalists who make life miserable for everyone else.  When I feel cold-hearted, I think of it as a game of chess.  And we are the white queen.  But then I think about the Israelis and Arabs whom I know personally and professionally, and I wish we didnt have this stupid thing called religion!   More often that not, religion is used for evil instead of good.

A person is reasonable...people are crazy.  

yes!  A person can be reasonable, but people are usually crazy.  I think I'm going to quote you in MCT's quote thread  

[SLCPUNK]

Hmm yes it is... what would you call it then?? a fucking tea party? a friendly game of dodge ball on the playground??

Savages that dont contribute anything good to the world.. hmm let me count what good has come from the middle east in the last 500 years,? (edit per below post)

Invented the Internet??  hmm no

Space exploration? no, no,
 
Disease vaccinations? hmm wait, no not that either,

nothing in any way that i can think of,

Well maybe some Oil, but that was just the luck of the draw...

wars, deasise, genocide, assasination attempts, dictators, terrorists....

yep!! id say that pretty much sums it up there smart girl...
 

Savages throwing rocks...

Geez? and you thought i was "uneducated" how about "opinionated?" yeah thats it...

This is a truly disturbing post.

The whole situation is complicated that you can not call people throwing rocks on TV 'savages'.

You list all things that are supposed to make the rest of the world better.  It is sad and narrow-minded.

Space exploration has made our quality of life better?  Explain how it makes our life better than the ?savages? ?

The Internet has not done much for you.  Instead of using it as a tool to learn, you instead come to message boards and show the world you lack of understanding on world events.  The Internet may make things more convenient, but it does not make us more civilized.  Moreover, obviously there is both good and bad in the Internet.

wars, deasise, genocide, assasination attempts, dictators, terrorists....

Is this the USA, or the savages you are talking about?  Because everything listed above the USA has done.  Genocide on the native Americans, blacks, assassination attempts, terrorist bombings (ever heard of Beruit?  Ever heard of Nicaragua?  Nicaragua falls under genocide too) Blacks were given syphilis by our own government.  Oh how civilized we are!  Compared to those rock-throwing savages!

There are many groups of people over there that want many different things.  Most want peace, and to raise a family.  To be left alone.  Moreover, here you sit, with all the knowledge and resources at your fingertips and you abuse that PRIVILAGE.  You can do anything you want and be anybody you choose to be, but you choose to stay uneducated and act a fool.  A thankless twit who comes on here and calls people who live in a war torn infrastructure 'savages'.

Good going.

[Mattman]

i'd love to see the OSCARS ceremony bombed
i'd love to see 200 hundreds of so called " superstars" die.
yup,
thats what i thought when i heard about the madrid terrorist bombing.
thats what i thought when i heard about the crazy iraqis.

i really would not be sad if i learnt that micheal jackson dies, or julia roberts or anyone like that. that would free the mind of a lot of people i think.

thats not really the point of the topic, but yeah well.

kockstar : you (and i) can't understand whats going on over there. you eat what you want, you have internet connection, you have $100 pair of shoes.
we just don't understand

 

Many of us think that terrorism is a result of desperation, that when poor, uneducated people have nowhere left to turn, they turn to radical fundamentalism and terrorism.  But if you think about it, most terrorists we hear about in the media our not poor or uneducated.  Most of the Palestinian suicide bombers are middle-class...so were the 9/11 hijackers.  Osama bin Laden is a multi-millionaire, for crying out loud...why is he the czar of radical Islamic terrorism?  Why do these privileged people feel compelled to commit such horrible acts?

The same reason why most communists claiming to fight for workers were upper-middle class coffee bar types, most likely.  Not all educated, privileged people flock to democracy and capitalism, it seems.  Perhaps culture is the filter through which we use our education.  Educated people in North America usually favour liberalism and socialism.  But in the Middle East, because of the general cultural climate, intellectuals come to believe terrorism is the answer.  Hey, when you think about it, when people are educated, they tend to be less supportive of the U.S. government's policies.  While American liberals will protest the administration, outside of the U.S., this tends to take the form of a virulent anti-Americanism.  After all, if you talk to Europeans, they tend to be very dismissive of America.  Like the other day in the "Bush vs. Kerry" thread, one of the posters (forgot their name...sorry), who was British, talked about the "damn Yankees".  Now, what I'm getting at is, if educated people tend towards anti-Americanism in North America and Europe, what will happen for educated people in the Middle East, where anti-Americanism is more prevalent and vicious than almost anywhere else in the world?  Simple...their anti-Americanism will be so extreme that they will believe terrorism is the answer.  That's my theory, anyway.

[kockstar99]

This is a truly disturbing post.

really??

The whole situation is complicated that you can not call people throwing rocks on TV 'savages'.

what do you call it then?? The last time i threw a rock at someone i was about 5 years old... Ive learned since then that its not acceptable to throw rocks at people..

You list all things that are supposed to make the rest of the world better.  It is sad and narrow-minded.

why?? Iam sure you enjoy them...

Space exploration has made our quality of life better?

yes... it has...

Explain how it makes our life better than the ?savages? ?

The science and knowledge that has been gained affects you... everything from Airline travel,  plastics, medicine, GPS, your Cell phone, ..Cable TV.. shit i could list...  

The Internet has not done much for you.

why would you say that?? how the hell would you know?

Instead of using it as a tool to learn, you instead come to message boards and show the world you lack of understanding on world events.

no i came here to discuss Guns n Roses..

The Internet may make things more convenient, but it does not make us more civilized.

I didnt say that either.. I used it as one of the things that we have contributed to the advace of mankind.. That the middle eastern countrys have not....

Moreover, obviously there is both good and bad in the Internet.

Reeeeeely? get over the internet example

wars, deasise, genocide, assasination attempts, dictators, terrorists....
Is this the USA, or the savages you are talking about?  
Because everything listed above the USA has done.

Reeely?? i dont hardly think so...
the whole argument  that our govermnet has done this and this and this... blah blah blah...
again If my grandfather broke a vase in an antique store and i went to that antique store 40 or 50 years later does that mean that I have to pay for it???

Genocide on the native Americans,

The American goverment did this?? or European Explorers??

blacks, assassination attempts, terrorist bombings (ever heard of Beruit?  Ever heard of Nicaragua?  Nicaragua falls under genocide too) Blacks were given syphilis by our own government.

This just proves how little you know....

There are many groups of people over there that want many different things.  Most want peace, and to raise a family.  To be left alone.

Thats a blanket statement for the entire world... come on..

Moreover, here you sit, with all the knowledge and resources at your fingertips and you abuse that PRIVILAGE.

Its not a Privilage to use the internet... Its a service I pay for ....

You can do anything you want and be anybody you choose to be, but you choose to stay uneducated and act a fool.

Really?? you think uneducated?? why? coz i posted how i feel about the middle east?? your the one that thinks the space program has done nothing.. why cant i just be opinionated??

A thankless twit who comes on here and calls people who live in a war torn infrastructure 'savages'.

I dont know what you call them... Beating and desecrating a dead human, Throwing Rocks at each other, strapping bombs to children....

Sounds pretty Savage to me.....

Ive been over there have you??? im gonna guess not..

[Mattman]

blacks, assassination attempts, terrorist bombings (ever heard of Beruit?  Ever heard of Nicaragua?  Nicaragua falls under genocide too) Blacks were given syphilis by our own government.

This just proves how little you know....

Actually, I hate to tell you this, kockstar, but I just checked it out, and turns out that blacks were, at the very least, withheld treatment for syphilis by the government in "experiments" to see how it would affect them.

You can read about it at http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html

A thankless twit who comes on here and calls people who live in a war torn infrastructure 'savages'.

I dont know what you call them... Beating and desecrating a dead human, Throwing Rocks at each other, strapping bombs to children....

Sounds pretty Savage to me.....

Ive been over there have you??? im gonna guess not..

You hit the nail on the head right there.  

I don't think kockstar is saying that all Arabs are savages or anything...he's saying that the Arabs who do this kind of shit are.  And I have to agree with him on that one, at least in regards to the mutilation thing.  If there were ever a case that could be described as "uncivilized", that's it.

But as for throwing rocks...that's a bit more iffy, because if you call them savages for doing that, then you can say the same thing about people who riot here too.  I mean, by this argument, somebody would be justified in describing Guns N' Roses fans as savages because all they do is riot, tearing up buildings like animals when their idol and spiritual leader (hey, just trying to draw parallels) doesn't show.  So you have to be careful about what you say in these situations.  While I think absolutely NOTHING justifies the inhuman atrocities at Fallujah a few days ago, the throwing rocks thing might be a bit more understandable if you were in their situation - being bombed by Israeli rockets, having your homeland occupied, etc.  Never judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccassins.

[kockstar99]

I strongly disagree with the argument of the syphilis expample:

"The goverment did  blah, blah years ago, Therefore you cant call anyone elses attrocitys for what they are"

Germany??
Japan??
Those 2 countrys got thier shit together and arent raping and kidnapping the koreans or phillippines anymore... they arent burning jews anymore..

Why isnt anyone trying to dig up thier dirt??? Japan has troops in the middle east now..

So what the goverment did years ago... other countrys have blood on thier hands as well..

Ill still call the middle east a shit hole