Success of GH proves that GN?R were good for more than AFD

[RichardNixon]

Some ignoramuses will tell you GN?R had only one good album, AFD. I think it is safe to say that the success of the ?Greatest Hits? proves otherwise. If fans, casual or not, only liked AFD, the GH would not being selling so well. Fans still care about UYI era material.

[-Jack-]

I understand the connection your trying to make.. but.. it doesn't work that way. People just buy Greatest Hits because its cheap.. and they know it will have all the hits. The true test of UYI's staying power is actually looking at its sales nowadays.. compared to AFD's....

Based off your logic I could say...

"Some ignoramuses will tell you GN?R had only one good album, AFD. I think it is safe to say that the success of the ?Greatest Hits? proves otherwise. If fans, casual or not, only liked AFD, the GH would not being selling so well. Fans still care about the Spaghetti Incident era material."

Just because theres songs from the spaghetti incident doesn't mean that people are buying GH for it.

Im not trying to bash you.. im just saying.. poor logic...

   -jack

[RichardNixon]

You're not bashing me at all. But GH has three songs from AFD, two from TSI, one from lies, SFTD, and seven (one half) from UYI. My point is, if people only wanted SCOM and Jungle, they'd buy AFD, not the GH.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Songs like November Rain and You Could Be Mine have held up well I think.  However, the UYI albums overall have not stood up to the test of time.  I do think a remixed UYI would be sweet as hell though.

[-Jack-]

Hmm well its just.. the average consumer sees "Greatest Hits" on the case.. and goes "O! Greatest Hits! I'll buy that!"... its just a mental thing. If GN'R changed the GH track list to a more appetite styled one.. im sure it would sell equally well.

Also.. while it seems obvious to us that "Jungle" and "SCOM" are on AFD... not everyone knows that.. and I know I know.. "You could just look at the back".. but.. people are dumb! They see 5 different albums from GN'R and theyre not sure whats on what.. so they get GH.

So while its possible that people are getting GH for UYI material.. theres no real way to prove it.

[RichardNixon]

They're not buying the GH soley for UYI songs. I just think it?s fair to speculate that people still want to hear those songs, or else they would skip GH all together and buy AFD

[-Jack-]

Lol ok point taken Nixon. 

[RichardNixon]

Lol ok point taken Nixon.?

Nixon is an excellent debater.

[jameslofton29]

That doesnt prove anything at all. The only reason GH sold so well is because it was cheaper than CDs in the bargain bin.  The only way for your point to be proven is if GNR put out a GH cd without anything from AFD. I wish Interscope and Sanctuary the best of luck on that endeavor.

[RichardNixon]

CDs in the bargin bin are 1-5 dollars. GH is about $12.00. AFD is as much or less.

[jameslofton29]

CDs in the bargin bin are 1-5 dollars. GH is about $12.00. AFD is as much or less.

Here in CA it was 5 dollars. I dont know what the price of it is now, but in the first month or so of its release it was that cheap. Had the album not been so cheap, it would not have sold as well as it did.

[RichardNixon]

GH was selling for five bucks? Really?

[jameslofton29]

GH was selling for five bucks? Really?

Yes it was. Every time I went to Best Buy, Circuit City, or some similar store that's how much it was. I'm sure it was priced so low to get big album sales. It worked. But I didn't buy it.

[GNFNR_UK]

I think a lot of people who bought GH did so because they wanted all the singles (The videos they'd seen on MTV) without having to buy 5 CD's. I'll use my ex girlfriends father as an example here! I know for a fact he bought GH for SCOM and November Rain, just those two songs, and he knew he could get them here on one disc! People like that who aren't big fans of GNR don't really care for songs like 'My World', 'Locomotive' and more experimental UYI tracks, they see a package here that has all the 'big' songs on one disc for a cheap price and they buy it! It's as simple as that, I don't think it has anything to do with what particualar album the songs were lifted from.

As for why so many people love AFD but don't love UYI, that's kinda obvious, AFD is more accessible, it's a straight up rock n roll album and a great one at that. UYI covered different styles and was very experimental, therefore as one of my friends says it is/was a 'quality rollercoaster' in a lot of peoples eyes. I personally love most of the UYI records with the exception of only 3 or 4 songs, which is good for a double album.

[Mikkamakka]

You're not bashing me at all. But GH has three songs from AFD, two from TSI, one from lies, SFTD, and seven (one half) from UYI. My point is, if people only wanted SCOM and Jungle, they'd buy AFD, not the GH.

I disagree. Most of the buyers didn't know GN'R and bought GH as an 'introduction'. Some bought it as a present for someone they think to be/want to be a GN'R fan. And there are collectors who buy everything that has the Guns N' Roses brand.

BTW although AFD is my favourite album, I think even the UYIs (and Lies) were quite good, and I can enjoy TSI, too. (Not SIDHY, Can't Put... etc. but some songs)

[madagas]

James, that is complete bullshit.  Sales like a 6 dollar cd happen for maybe one day. My Best Buy in Ga was selling it for 10 dollars. Just like any other new release. They start the price low in the first few days. Now, the Gh is like 12-13 dollars and the album is still in the top 50 on Billboard. Although I don't know you very well, I am quite sure your specialty is not retail and sales. The album sold well because they are/were a VERY popular band and are semi back in style now due to all the VH1 programs etc. Don't cut down the boys just to be a dick. Pilferk, anyone with retail knowledge want to add something here?

[Neemo]

It's always been $10.99 CND around here. I still never bought it cuz it wasn't endorsed by the band.

but i could see getting it if you didn't have any GnR albums. it was basically all the singles right? what more could you want if you were a 'new' fan

I've never been a fan of GH's in general cuz if i like it, they make me wanna just go out and get the rest of the albums anyway I guess that's the whole point of them though. My buddy sells his old albums when GH's come out so he doesn't have as much crap laying around. Faulty logic IMO. For instance i recently bought 'Thankyou' by STP and now, after listening to it I've pulled out the STP collection to listen to the older albums. I still find it kinda sad that they are finished Robert and Dean DeLeo are awesome musicians) I'm torn though cuz it's great to see Slash Duff and Matt back in action and STP was getting kinda tired & I'm looking forward to the DeLeo's new disc with the Filter singer if it ever materializes. (Hopefully it's better than the TalkShow stuff too )

[Lord Kayoss]

November Rain alone proved that they were "good for more".

And the fact that the UYI's sold about 5 mill a piece ain't too shabby either.  Most other bands' "sophomore" outings never reach those numbers.

[Axl4Prez2004]

   $5?  Here in Delaware, USA, I bought it in the first few days at $13.99, and I've never, ever, ever seen it at any store, Wal-Mart, the mall record stores, FTV, for less than $10.99.
Sorry.

And yes, this post is correct.  Without Patience, November Rain, KOHD, and You Could Be Mine, GH wouldn't have sold the same amount.   

Chinese Democracy is gonna tear shit up!!!   

[RichardNixon]

November Rain alone proved that they were "good for more".

And the fact that the UYI's sold about 5 mill a piece ain't too shabby either.? Most other bands' "sophomore" outings never reach those numbers.

UYI sold 7 or 8 million a piece.