Can Bush bounce back?

[shades]

Bush could give a ratts ass what anybody thinks about him.
Thats not how a leader operates.
Take note

[gilld1]

Yeah, they don't care what people think, that's why they conduct all the polls that they do.

[pilferk]

Yeah, they don't care what people think, that's why they conduct all the polls that they do.

Um, while I'm sure the white house DOES do it's own, internal polling...

The polls referenced in this thread are run by Newsweek.  They're widely considered the "best" polling numbers.  Even past administrations have used them in place of internal polling on some issues.

[shades]

So he should do what he thinks will make him popular in the polls?
Im not sure Im following your reasoning here.
Because you sound as if you think he carers about he polls

[Axl_owns_dexter]

If Bush cared what the people thought, he would do something about illegal immigration. 

[gilld1]

First off, I don't think there is anything humanly possible for Bush to do that would make him popular.  Secondly, if you are trying to say that the White House et al do not care about poll numbers then you have taken a very short cut to thinking.  The Alito nomination was a direct result of the poor numbers in polls about Miers.

[Booker Floyd]

Bush could give a ratts ass what anybody thinks about him.
Thats not how a leader operates.
Take note

 

And you actully have the nerve to talk about others wearing blinders.

By the way, didnt you leave us "kids" a few months back?  I guess you just lack the resoluteness of your hero.

[shades]

The poor woman didnt have a chance,
besides, my theory is that she was a decoy anyway.
Now you get Alito, carefull what you ask for.

but we digress dont we.
My 'point' was, that if Bush bowed to every poll,
or made the popular decision on every issue we wouldnt be much of a world leader now would we.
We would be like, well like France, or Canada, or Italy.

And my earlier post has not been per line challenged once.
And I wonder why that is.
And "Booker", do I know you? son? Your mom doesnt wear Red garters and chew gum all the time does she?

[pilferk]

So he should do what he thinks will make him popular in the polls?
Im not sure Im following your reasoning here.
Because you sound as if you think he carers about he polls

He cares.  And if you have even the most tenuous understanding of politics, you'd understand why.

However, as I've said before, I'm not going to educate you any longer.  If you can't connect the dots between the Republican parties need for public support and good will to the president and his need for Congressional Support to get anything accomplished during the rest of his term perhaps it might be best if you did as you said you were going to do awhile back...

[Booker Floyd]

besides, my theory is that she was a decoy anyway.

  ?

Please explain this conspiracy theory.

but we digress dont we.

No. ?You said this:

Bush could give a ratts ass what anybody thinks about him.
Thats not how a leader operates.
Take note

The Harriet Miers farce alone disproves that. ?Not to mention that if that silly, romanticized notion were true, the White House/Bush campaigns wouldnt conduct polls at all, would they? ?

My 'point' was, that if Bush bowed to every poll,
or made the popular decision on every issue we wouldnt be much of a world leader now would we.

Thats exactly what he did with Harriet Miers - bowed to the pressure. ?A true leader wouldve pushed her through, especially since she was the best person he could find for the job.

And my earlier post has not been per line challenged once.
And I wonder why that is.

Honestly, because its a waste of time...not to mention that its in a different thread.

And "Booker", do I know you? son? Your mom doesnt wear Red garters and chew gum all the time does she?

1) That attempt at humor is painful and embarassing.

2) Youre avoiding my question...Didnt you bid farewell a few months back?

[pilferk]

And my earlier post has not been per line challenged once.
And I wonder why that is.

Because calling it rampant speculation pretty much addresses all of it.

It's doesn't merit being refuted except to say it's speculation.  What more needs to be said?

[shades]

1) That attempt at humor is painful and embarassing.

I know, sorry

2) Youre avoiding my question...Didnt you bid farewell a few months back?

I dont remember saying farewell, I just quit coming in because we were going around in great big circles and moderator boy was threatning to give me the boot for the same practice being displayed by his side of the argument.

BUT

I will leave if there isnt the need for a light for your dark room.

[Booker Floyd]

Well, you ignored 3/4 of the post (including your Harriet Miers theory, which Im sure is stunning)...

I dont remember saying farewell

Remember?  I posted the link...heres the quote:

now you're threatning me?
A martyr?

later, you kids have fun

You didnt literally say farewell, but unless youre actually going to quibble over the connotation of "later," you made note of your "exit."

I will leave if there isnt the need for a light for your dark room.

Actually, there isnt...especially very, very dim ones.

[Krispy Kreme]

This thread is not meant to be a new thread about Iraq, although that topic will no doubt, overlap into this. Anyway, Bush's approval ratings are somewhere in the 30s. Is it possible for him to bounce back? Historically, many presidents have had dips. Reagan was in the 30 during the Iran Contra scandal, and he bounced back. But can Bush? I tend to think he can't. His legacy is no doubt tied to Iraq, and I don't see that being resolved any time soon, much less in the next three years. Also, who knows where this Plame scandal will lead, possibly to Darth Cheney himself. I basically see Bush as a placeholder until Clinton, McCain, or whoever comes next.

No he can't, and thank God for that.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

So where is Bush's stance against illegal immigration?  There have been plenty of polls have shown a clear majority of Americans to be in favor of major reform.

On some issues Bush will listen to the public (miers).  However, when Big Business is involved they get what they want (immigration).

[SLCPUNK]

Bush could give a ratts ass what anybody thinks about him.
Thats not how a leader operates.
Take note

LOL, take note of what?

[RichardNixon]

"Take Note" sounds tough...Bush sure is a hardliner...ahaha

[Axl_owns_dexter]

He's a hardliner when Big Business wants him to be.  Thats for damned sure.  He knows who his master is and he doesn't stray far.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

All I know about Goldwater is that he was old school conservative.  And conservative at that time meant isolationist, so IMO Vietnam was not on the table for Goldwater.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

wrong thread