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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2005, 10:01:10 PM »

My daughter is 5 and Christmas is so much fun with her.  I understand getting cynical when all you do is buy gifts because you feel obligated, not because you really want to.   But with kids, its so different.  And I love Christmas because I do it all for my daughter, to make sure she has the most magical, exciting holiday possible. 

If you are feeling negative about Christmas, I suggest watching (or reading) Polar Express.  That's a great story to get you feeling better about Christmas. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2005, 12:45:03 AM »

Am I the only one that doesn't like Christmas? It has no meaning for me. It's just a dumb holiday. An excuse for stores to make money. I hate it. Dumbass tree, and cookies. Fuck Christmas.

You have a point and I agree.

It really is just a capitalism at its worst (or best considering what side of the street you are on.)

how "thought provoking"

Yet, ironically your reply gives little if any thought at all. (Put into it, or needed to read it.) Proving that history, does indeed, repeat itself.
What a surprise, you both dislike Christmas.  I really wish that those that disliked capitalism would move to places where socialism or communism exists.  Quit changing (ruining) our country and go move to Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea.

Certain "traditional" things like Christmas, I just love.  I actually love this time of year, and I don't go to church.  What is it with the extreme left and their hate for everything traditional about the United States?
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2005, 12:51:05 AM »

Am I the only one that doesn't like Christmas? It has no meaning for me. It's just a dumb holiday. An excuse for stores to make money. I hate it. Dumbass tree, and cookies. Fuck Christmas.

You have a point and I agree.

It really is just a capitalism at its worst (or best considering what side of the street you are on.)

how "thought provoking"

Yet, ironically your reply gives little if any thought at all. (Put into it, or needed to read it.) Proving that history, does indeed, repeat itself.
What a surprise, you both dislike Christmas.? I really wish that those that disliked capitalism would move to places where socialism or communism exists.? Quit changing (ruining) our country and go move to Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea.

Certain "traditional" things like Christmas, I just love.? I actually love this time of year, and I don't go to church.? What is it with the extreme left and their hate for everything traditional about the United States?

This has got to be the most asinine thing I have ever read here on this board.  Telling people to move to another country because they don't like the capitalistic aspects of Christmas is stupid beyond words.

And for the record, wanting to hold our (un) elected leaders responsible for lying and war crimes doesn't make one a communist, socialist, or a Marxist.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2005, 01:33:30 AM »

I LOVE Christmas!  It's always just a special time of year for me because I finally get to rest and spend time with the people I love.   I always look up old friends to hang out with and  spend time w/ family.  If I'm on bad terms w/ anyone, I try to make up.  Stupid shit that's happened through the year doesn't even matter to me during the holidays.  I'm a freaking different person! ... haha  Cheesy  And I freakin love it all!  Lights, cookies, trees, snowmen!  Ahh! I'm just like a little kid about Christmas!  ...  Hell, I see Santa in the mall and tackle him! ...   hihi
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2005, 03:04:39 AM »

What a surprise, you both dislike Christmas.  I really wish that those that disliked capitalism would move to places where socialism or communism exists.  Quit changing (ruining) our country and go move to Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea.

Certain "traditional" things like Christmas, I just love.  I actually love this time of year, and I don't go to church.  What is it with the extreme left and their hate for everything traditional about the United States?

LOL, little uptight over there in California GNRNIGHTTRAIN?

Christmas is nothing more than a huge marketing scam in this country. It has little or no meaning to anybody. It is about people spending money on useless crap they don't need. Marketing to every single sense you have to do one thing: BUY.

You may be proud of that part of America, but I am not. If you are happy being labeled a consumer and that means American to you, then good for you. I find it rather insulting and degrading to be labeled ?a consumer?. But congratulations to you sir! Pat yourself on the back, you are now an empty shell here to do nothing but make money and spend it on useless crap you have been marketed to your entire life to buy. Whippie!

You must be so patriotic and proud of yourself this Christmas. So run along as you are told (by marketing firms that spend millions figuring out how to make you spend money) and buy all the widgets you can get your hands on. Heck, why not just spend money you DON'T HAVE (that's really the American way isn't it?)? Rack it all up on credit cards and spend away, you patriotic consumer of shit made in China.

Merry Christmas!!!
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RichardNixon
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2005, 03:08:23 AM »

I urge everyone to see that new WALMART movie. The anti-one, that is.
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SLCPUNK
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2005, 03:12:11 AM »

I urge everyone to see that new WALMART movie. The anti-one, that is.

Oh they are an evil lot.

There are two Walmart movies out now right?

One good and one bad?
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2005, 03:22:26 AM »

There is both a pro, and and anti Walmart movie. The anti one is called "The High Cost of Low Price."  I'd like to see the other one, just to see what they have to say for themselves.
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2005, 04:08:39 AM »

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The History of Christmas


The history of Christmas dates back over 4000 years. Many of our Christmas
traditions were celebrated centuries before the Christ child was born. The 12
days of Christmas, the bright fires, the yule log, the giving of gifts,
carnivals(parades) with floats, carolers who sing while going from house to
house, the holiday feasts, and the church processions can all be traced back to
the early Mesopotamians.
Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years.
The Mesopotamians believed in many gods, and as their chief god - Marduk. Each
year as winter arrived it was believed that Marduk would do battle with the
monsters of chaos. To assist Marduk in his struggle the Mesopotamians held a
festival for the New Year. This was Zagmuk, the New Year's festival that lasted
for 12 days.

The Mesopotamian king would return to the temple of Marduk and swear his
faithfulness to the god. The traditions called for the king to die at the end of
the year and to return with Marduk to battle at his side.

To spare their king, the Mesopotamians used the idea of a "mock" king. A
criminal was chosen and dressed in royal clothes. He was given all the respect
and privileges of a real king. At the end of the celebration the "mock" king was
stripped of the royal clothes and slain, sparing the life of the real king.

The Persians and the Babylonians celebrated a similar festival called the
Sacaea. Part of that celebration included the exchanging of places, the slaves
would become the masters and the masters were to obey.

Early Europeans believed in evil spirits, witches, ghosts and trolls. As the
Winter Solstice approached, with its long cold nights and short days, many
people feared the sun would not return. Special rituals and celebrations were
held to welcome back the sun.

In Scandinavia during the winter months the sun would disappear for many days.
After thirty-five days scouts would be sent to the mountain tops to look for the
return of the sun. When the first light was seen the scouts would return with
the good news. A great festival would be held, called the Yuletide, and a
special feast would be served around a fire burning with the Yule log. Great
bonfires would also be lit to celebrate the return of the sun. In some areas
people would tie apples to branches of trees to remind themselves that spring
and summer would return.

The ancient Greeks held a festival similar to that of the Zagmuk/Sacaea
festivals to assist their god Kronos who would battle the god Zeus and his
Titans.

The Roman's celebrated their god Saturn. Their festival was called Saturnalia
which began the middle of December and ended January 1st. With cries of "Jo
Saturnalia!" the celebration would include masquerades in the streets, big
festive meals, visiting friends, and the exchange of good-luck gifts called
Strenae (lucky fruits).

The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and green trees lit with
candles. Again the masters and slaves would exchange places.

"Jo Saturnalia!" was a fun and festive time for the Romans, but the Christians
though it an abomination to honor the pagan god. The early Christians wanted to
keep the birthday of their Christ child a solemn and religious holiday, not one
of cheer and merriment as was the pagan Saturnalia.

But as Christianity spread they were alarmed by the continuing celebration of
pagan customs and Saturnalia among their converts. At first the Church forbid
this kind of celebration. But it was to no avail. Eventually it was decided that
the celebration would be tamed and made into a celebration fit for the Christian
Son of God.

Some legends claim that the Christian "Christmas" celebration was invented to
compete against the pagan celebrations of December. The 25th was not only sacred
to the Romans but also the Persians whose religion Mithraism was one of
Christianity's main rivals at that time. The Church eventually was successful in
taking the merriment, lights, and gifts from the Saturanilia festival and
bringing them to the celebration of Christmas.

The exact day of the Christ child's birth has never been pinpointed. Traditions
say that it has been celebrated since the year 98 AD. In 137 AD the Bishop of
Rome ordered the birthday of the Christ Child celebrated as a solemn feast. In
350 AD another Bishop of Rome, Julius I, choose December 25th as the observance
of Christmas.

This is from: http://www.holidays.net/christmas/story.htm

For all of you who think that christmas is about jesus.? ?Roll Eyes
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2005, 04:13:43 AM »

Yeah, Christmas has kind of lost it's true meaning but don't worry, there's Festivus, for the rest of us! hihi
hihi  rofl thats one of my favourite seinfeld episode ever. i want to actually celebrate festivus
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2005, 07:06:12 AM »

I hate it when people are negative about Christmas.  They tend to be the same people who are negative about everything else as well.

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Christmas is nothing more than a huge marketing scam in this country. It has little or no meaning to anybody

You must know that isn't true.  Christmas is the one time of year where pretty much everyone seems to be in a great mood.  There's cracking food, good films on telly, pretty decorations and lots of great parties.  If you don't like the capitalist aspect then just don't fall for it - no-one's forcing you to buy into all that crap, just like no-one forces you to watch Pop Idol or I'm a Celebrity...  Capitalism is everywhere, you don't need to let it ruin your holiday.

Also, feel it needs to be said that i'm not remotely religious and that doesn't stop me enjoying myself, not should it for anyone else.  Christianity took everything and made it their own back in the day, including Christmas, I don't feel at all bad about that.
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2005, 09:51:19 AM »

"You must know that isn't true.? Christmas is the one time of year where pretty much everyone seems to be in a great mood."

The highest suicide rate of  the year is around Xmas.
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2005, 10:00:51 AM »

That's why I celebrate the birth of Christ I don't care about trees or fucking gifts and stuff it's just a reminder of what Im my religion (christian) is called the savior, even though he wasn't born on that day.
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2005, 11:37:59 AM »

"That's why I celebrate the birth of Christ I don't care about trees or fucking gifts and stuff it's just a reminder of what Im my religion (christian) is called the savior, even though he wasn't born on that day."

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2005, 12:03:53 PM »

nyc is very beautiful around xmas time.. I am just not into the gift parts of christmas... The lines, the whining, the trends, blah blah blah... Nothing better then when it's cold and snows at christmas time.... Like anything it has it's pro n cons.. Love the holiday music.. Dominick the donkey hihi
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2005, 12:15:15 PM »


Christmas is nothing more than a huge marketing scam in this country. It has little or no meaning to anybody.

SLC, normally I agree with you on most topics.  But I'm surprised at you on this one.  Christmas has as much meaning as you make it have.  Its a great time of year for me, and I'm not religious in the least.  I grew up with great family Christmas's.  I remember the anticipation and excitement and I try to do the same thing for my daughter.  Its not about how much money you spend.  Kids don't really care how expensive a toy is.

Don't you have kids?  Do you act like this about Christmas towards them?  Don't you find any joy in creating a great experience for them?

Didn't you ever read the "How the Grinch stole Christmas?"  Pay special attention to the last lines:  "Maybe Christmas, he thought, doesn't come from a store.  Maybe Christmas, perhaps, means a little bit more."
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2005, 12:22:57 PM »

I hate it when people are negative about Christmas.  They tend to be the same people who are negative about everything else as well.

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Christmas is nothing more than a huge marketing scam in this country. It has little or no meaning to anybody

You must know that isn't true.  Christmas is the one time of year where pretty much everyone seems to be in a great mood. 


LOL. I am not in a "bad mood" over Christmas. But if anybody here thinks that in America the sole focus is on Jesus Christ then they are mistaken. The sole focus is on selling things: capitalism. That is it.

The family get togethers are great, the food is great, but that is it. The time of year is good for that. But any family get together is good for that.

The traffic is horrible, the lines are horrible, the people are more rushed, frenzied, rude, impatient, during this shopping time. This is no Christmas movie where people begin to love their neighbors all of a sudden. Go sit in heavy traffic around the mall and see how the Christmas spirit is then-lol-it's so brotherly.  Roll Eyes Go to the mall between thanksgiving and Christmas and see people spend money they don't have to give gifts they don't need. This certainly does not celebrate Jesus in anyway, capitalism yes, Jesus....I think not.



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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2005, 12:24:30 PM »

No offence, but why can't people just enjoy the season without worrying about something as mundane as 'Capitalism'? For me, Christmas is about returning back home and relaxing, after three grueling months of college (Yech). If u're thinking about 'Capitalism' and how stores are making money off people, u've obviously got too much time on your hands...  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2005, 12:34:02 PM »


Christmas is nothing more than a huge marketing scam in this country. It has little or no meaning to anybody.

SLC, normally I agree with you on most topics.  But I'm surprised at you on this one.  Christmas has as much meaning as you make it have.  Its a great time of year for me, and I'm not religious in the least.  I grew up with great family Christmas's.  I remember the anticipation and excitement and I try to do the same thing for my daughter.  Its not about how much money you spend.  Kids don't really care how expensive a toy is.

Don't you have kids?  Do you act like this about Christmas towards them?  Don't you find any joy in creating a great experience for them?


Now...I did not say it had no meaning to me. I would prefer anytime with family to be more a time of reflection. Something deeper then buying each other a book or a jacket for the 10th year in a row. Time with my family, the people I love and care for is important. Not buying them crap made in China.

I said people rushing out to buy presents, really, is empty and has no meaning. It is magical through a childs eyes, of course. Because Santa Claus is created and marketed, so we buy them presents. The demand is created through the child. Just like anything else: kids cereal being close to the ground so the child can see and demand it for instance.

Of course I celebrate Christmas with my children. I always do a real tree (no fake please, I need the smell), the meal, presents, the one gift on Christmas eve. The entire deal. But I only do that for my children. I doubt too much we would go to the shopping expense if I did not have them. In fact I am sure I would not. I have asked the same thing every year for myself for Christmas: nothing. Because I don't need anything. I see consumerism as a waste of money and resources for the most part.

Again, I am not saying I don't enjoy the holidays (Christmas music though....uh no) but if anybody thinks it is not about spending money, they are mistaken. Does me pointing that out mean I "hate Christmas"? Of course not. Does it mean I am "Down on everything" of course not. It is a simple statement that is honest and accurate about this country and what Christmas really is all about. Go to one of our thousands of malls and then tell me I'm wrong.



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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2005, 01:25:46 PM »

who cares, its a fuckin' holiday beer beer beer

For real, just sit around all day, get drunk and eat a nice dinner with your family.? Why is that something to complain about?

that's hopw I view it..

christmas to me was the best when you still believed,, it was magical.. Nothing was better then waking up and looking under the tree and seeing those gifts


You took the words out of my mouth man! I totally agree (except for the getting drunk part) Christmas is my favorite day of the year.

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