would you be angry at axl if he just gave up on this?

[BD888]

Oh, and I am angry now, I want the fucking album now. I'm tired of GNR being the punchline of other people's jokes. 

[mikegiuliana]

Oh, and I am angry now, I want the fucking album now. I'm tired of GNR being the punchline of other people's jokes.?

for me the gnr that meant everything willl always be viewed the right way,.. The gnr getting knocked is this one, the one no one knows.

[Lord Kayoss]

He tested the waters

he tested lots of things in 2001/2002. No doubt about it. He tested the audience reaction.

Which was stupid.  The crowd ain't gonna pop for material they've never heard before.  A radio single comes first, then the album, THEN THE TOUR!!

GNR toured on the Use Your Illusion material a long time before the albums were released.

Didn't know that but at any rate it was still stupid to come out of an eight-year seclusion and tour on arguably the most anticipated album in history with no album.? Where's the sense in that?

[C0ma]

GNR toured on the Use Your Illusion material a long time before the albums were released.

Didn't know that but at any rate it was still stupid to come out of an eight-year seclusion and tour on arguably the most anticipated album in history with no album.? Where's the sense in that?

It would have made sense if when the US leg of the tour was finishing up in Jan-Feb of 2003 the Album was released then the tour kicked into a second leg.

What makes no sense is to launch the "Chinese Democracy World Tour" in late 2002 and in late 2005 there is still no Chinese Democracy Album........ but there is a three year old botched world tour..........

[NickNasty]

It would have made sense if when the US leg of the tour was finishing up in Jan-Feb of 2003 the Album was released then the tour kicked into a second leg.

Which was apparently the plan, based on what Axl told Madison of MyGnR after the MSG show, whatever happened in those 24 hours b/w that and philly must've been really f8cked up...whatever it was, it gave Axl an excuse to go back into the studio again, with the end result being, well, nothing...I also don't know if he was testing audience reaction to new material moreso than just the whole band...and most of the reviews  I remember reading both on here and in the press callled the band and the new material solid...i dont think the plug was pulled for negative reaction to the new band.

[ppbebe]

Yep, actually, but for the 'f8cked up' 02 tour, I wouldn't be here....to me Chinese democracy started on
the 6th December 2002.

Anyway, even if it doesn't results in success, one's long effort of will is not really in vain.
On the other hand, Those who that gives up even before having a try won't achieve anything. And If such ones whine over as how they couldn't get what they wanted in their life, they are entitled to be called as the real losers.

Funny the way people see him often sounds very similar to themselves respectively, as if they created their idol in their own images.

[Lord Kayoss]

GNR toured on the Use Your Illusion material a long time before the albums were released.

Didn't know that but at any rate it was still stupid to come out of an eight-year seclusion and tour on arguably the most anticipated album in history with no album.? Where's the sense in that?

It would have made sense if when the US leg of the tour was finishing up in Jan-Feb of 2003 the Album was released then the tour kicked into a second leg.

What makes no sense is to launch the "Chinese Democracy World Tour" in late 2002 and in late 2005 there is still no Chinese Democracy Album........ but there is a three year old botched world tour..........

I have to disagree. ?After a lay-off like that the best thing would have been to release the best track as a radio single and have the radio wear it out for 2 months, then release Chinese Democracy, then tour. ?I just don't see how any other way would have been profitable. ?And as we saw in 2002, their way wasn't.

[mikegiuliana]

the 2002 tour, there was suppose to be playing like the illusions, on and off for a few years, playing in the fall n spring, multiple album releases as well.. All ended up a bunch of BS...

[Scabbie]

He tested the waters

he tested lots of things in 2001/2002. No doubt about it. He tested the audience reaction.

Which was stupid.? The crowd ain't gonna pop for material they've never heard before.? A radio single comes first, then the album, THEN THE TOUR!!

GNR toured on the Use Your Illusion material a long time before the albums were released.

Yup, and it was crap. Don't get me wrong I'm always up for a new song here and there, but I always remember when they came on at Wembley Stadium to 'Right Next Door to Hell' or whatever. I hadn't got a clue what was going on - WTTJ would have been much better!

As others have said, I think Axl should at least let us know what the deal is. Throw us a frickin bone.

If he doesn't before long someone will spill the beans anyway (on a side note it looks in Amazon as though the ?Sorelle Saidman book has been delayed to October 06).

[jazjme]

after all these years it didn't happen and all the guys he recruited that stayed faithfull wound up getting zero out of their wait?? Anything is possible, I wanted to hear since most of us are axl fans if that would change your feeling towards the man..?? Just food for thought, just as the album can come out early 2006 it also might not... Discuss because I am curious, I know people have developed feelings towards new member

Nah I wouldnt be mad at axl, more like dissapointed cause I believed, but on the same token, thats just a hypothetical . Cuase I stil do believe, and in my gut I feel that he does too.

I think axl will work tooth n nail to get this out , not only for himself but for those who have stood by him, and I think that the people in his inner circle, (band mates, fam , close friends, ) wouldnt think differently of him if things got so fucked that he just said ok I cant do this anymore.

We the fans are just that , fans , give support, rallly behind and stick with it so long as we percieve that the players and axl are . BUt on the same token I wil always be a fan of what I have , who I met , the music I have loved and the players that made it.

CD will come beit a revitalized and the band that we know now. OR will come cause I dont think Axl would not let ,shine the music he and the others in the band did , just die .

Things are moving in the GNR front, its just gona bite you when you I, anyone least expects.

[the dirt]

CD will come out before the end of the current tour.

It just happens that the last show was in December 2002; it's still going on. Some promoter should make a big effort to publicize the date of the next show/ after all, didn't Axl find out over the net that his own band apparenty had shows booked?

[jabba2]

I think Axl said he found out on the internet about the shows in 2001. All of the scheduled shows were cancelled. Check gnrontour.com for explanations for it, theres a few given.

[slash4ever]

not angry..........very very very very sad, yes.......

[alternativemonkey]

I wouldn't be angry but I would lose a lot of respect for Axl. I know he and his fans think of themselves as artists. And, the great artists take risks, win or lose, to advance their art. If he didn't release CD, then I think he was a coward - that Axl feared failure so much that he couldn't follow through on his art.

I am a big fan of The Who. I think they are the greatest - greater than GNR, but I actually enjoy talking about some of their worst songs as well as their best. I can appreciate them without being blinded by this superfantacism some people get caught up in thinking they have to be perfect.

I used to like the reckless abandon that GNR captured in Appetite for Destruction. Axl just seems to think things through to much. He needs to grow a thicker skin.

[Rob]

He hasn't given up already?

[WARose]

i guess the tour in 2002 just had the wrong name and ended to soon. otherwise it would`ve been called a succes (well... some people would always find a reason to complain and bitch about it...)

[ppbebe]

Would Axl be angry at us if we just gave up on this?

CD will come out before the end of the current tour.

Exactly! Chinese Democracy started in 2002 and still continues on today........ it's not finished yet......

It just happens that the last show was in December 2002; it's still going on. Some promoter should make a big effort to publicize the date of the next show/ after all, didn't Axl find out over the net that his own band apparenty had shows booked?

RIR?

[the dirt]

It just happens that the last show was in December 2002; it's still going on. Some promoter should make a big effort to publicize the date of the next show/ after all, didn't Axl find out over the net that his own band apparenty had shows booked?

RIR?

Sure, decent choice.

[nofate]

I would be sad, very sad. Not angry.

[mikegiuliana]

see I was thinking angry because some of you really love other people in the new band, so if axl didn't release this album then he would have basically fucked over tommy robin and the rest.. They;ve been the one skeeping it alive through interviews and they have been the ones telling people it will happen/..

I feel cd will be an album you could still be talking about on these forums ten years from now how it could happen anytime soon... it's almost impossible to graps the concet of it ever coming out.. it's better known for not coming out then anything