I need Help to convince someone

[odd1]

Hi.
Last weekend i was attending a party at my math-teachers house. We got pretty drunk and was talking about music.
Then he told me that he liked Axl Rose but that he thougt that his lyrics are very superficial. I said that I didnt agree and would show him evidence of the opposite. The week went by and I had forgotten all about it until today when my teacher laughed and asked if I couldnt prove that Axl made some great lyrics. (He actually compared Axl to britney Spears)
So do any of you have suggestions of some great GnR lyrics, articles about Axls Lyris and so on?

[Jonathan]

Estranged.

[Neemo]

If someone is convinced about certain lyrics it'll be hard to sway them.? I like Don't Damn Me and Nov. Rain and Sweet Child and One In A Million.

Here is an exerpt from one of many articles where Axl defends his lyrics in OIAM. From the articles section of HTGTH.

RS - So far the song that's inspired the most controversy in the band's short career has been "One in a Million." How did you come to write that song?

Axl - "One in a Million" was written while sitting in the apartment of my friend West Arkeen, who's like the sixth member of the band. I wrote it at his house, sitting around bored watching TV. I can't really play guitar too well, I only play the top two strings, and I would write a little piece at a time. I started writing about wanting to get out of LA , getting away for a little while. I'd been down to the downtown-L.A. Greyhound bus station. If you haven't been there, you can't say shit to me about what goes on and about my point of view. There are a large number of black men selling stolen jewelry, crack, heroin and pot, and most of the drugs are bogus. Rip-off artists selling parking spaces to parking lots that there's no charge for. Trying to misguide every kid that gets off the bus and doesn't quite know where he's at or where to go, trying to take the person for whatever they've got. That's how I hit town. The thing with "One in a Million" is, basically, we're all one in a million, we're all here on this earth. We're one fish in a sea. Let's quit fucking with each other, fucking with me.

RS - The lyrics have incited a lot of protest, so let's go over them line by line. Let's start with one of the verses, "Police and niggers, that's right/Get outta my way/Don't need to buy none/ Of your gold chains today."

Axl - I used words like police and niggers because you're not allowed to use the word nigger. Why can black people go up to each other and say, "Nigger," but when a white guy does it all of a sudden it's a big put-down. I don't like boundaries of any kind. I don't like being told what I can and what I can't say. I used the word nigger because it's a word to describe somebody that is basically a pain in your life, a problem. The word nigger doesn't necessarily mean black. Doesn't John Lennon have a song "Woman Is the Nigger of the World"? There's a rap group, N.W.A., Niggers with Attitude. I mean, they're proud of that word. More power to them. Guns N' Roses ain't bad. . . . N.W.A. is baad! Mr. Bob Goldthwait said the only reason we put these lyrics on the record was because it would cause controversy and we'd sell a million albums. Fuck him! Why'd he put us in his skit? We don't just do something to get the controversy, the press.

RS - How about the next verse? Immigrants and faggots/They make no sense to me/ They come to our country/And think they'll do as they please/ Like start some mini-Iran or spread some fuckin' disease." Why that reference to immigrants?

Axl - When I use the word immigrants, what I'm talking about is going to a 7-11 or Village pantries - a lot of people from countries like Iran, Pakistan, China, Japan et cetera, get jobs in these convenience stores and gas stations. Then they treat you as if you don't belong here. I've been chased out of a store with Slash by a six-foot-tall Iranian with a butcher knife because he didn't like the way we were dressed. Scared me to death. All I could see in my mind was a picture of my arm on the ground, blood going everywhere. When I get scared, I get mad. I grabbed the top of one of these big orange garbage cans and went back at him with this shield, going, "Come on!" I didn't want to back down from this guy. Anyway that's why I wrote about immigrants. Maybe I should have been more specific and said, "Joe Schmoladoo at the 7-11 and faggots make no sense to me." That's ridiculous! I summed it up simply and said, "Immigrants."

RS - How about the use of the word "faggots"?

Axl - I've had some very bad experiences with homosexuals. When I was first coming to Los Angeles, I was about eighteen or nineteen. On my first hitchhiking ride, this guy told me I could crash at his hotel. I went to sleep and woke up while this guy was trying to rape me. I threw him down on the floor. He came at me again. I went running for the door. He came at me. I pinned him between the door and the wall. I had a straight razor, and I pulled the razor and said, "Don't ever touch me! Don't ever think about touching me! Don't touch yourself and think about me! Nothing!" Then I grabbed my stuff and split with no place to go, no sleep, in the middle of nowhere outside of St. Louis. That's why I have the attitude I have.

RS - Are you anti-homosexual then?

Axl - I'm proheterosexual. I can't get enough of women, and I don't see the same thing that other men can see in men. I'm not into gay or bisexual experiences. But that's hypocritical of me, because I'd rather see two women together than just about anything else. That happens to be my personal, favorite thing.

RS - How about gay-bashing? Have you ever beaten up somebody simply because of their sexual preference?

Axl - No! I never have. The most I do is, like, on the way to the Troubadour in "Boystown," on Santa Monica Boulevard, I'll yell out the car window, "Why don't you guys like pussy?" 'Cause I'm confused. I don't understand it. Anti-homosexual? I'm not against them doing what they want to do as long as it's not hurting anybody else and they're not forcing it upon me. I don't need them in my face or, pardon the pun, up my ass about it.

RS - The "One in a Million" lyrics about "faggots" who "spread some fuckin' disease" got G n' R bounced from an AIDS benefit in New York by the Gay Men's Health Crisis, one of the groups that was involved with putting on the show. How did you feel about that?

Axl - We're in no way associated with the Gay Men's Health Crisis, except that David Geffen is on the board of directors for the concert and he's the owner of our record company. We were asked to do this, and we wanted to contribute some money to help stop a deadly disease that's killing humans of all kinds. A friend of mine who's homosexual and was largely responsible for the record companies taking notice of us was upset about it because we didn't even get a chance to clear ourselves, to make good. AIDS is something very scary. The concert was something we wanted to do and felt it was important to do but we were denied the opportunity. We were even denied the opportunity to say anything about it. It was just publicly announced that we weren't allowed to do it because the Gay Men's Health Crisis wouldn't let us. I don't feel they have the right to deny the money and attention they would have gotten from us playing. It's pride, it's ignorant and it's childish.

[Pandora]

Coma, for chrissakes ! If that's not lyrical brilliance, I don't know what is.

[Litti10]

who cares what they think about it u cant help them if they ar stupid

[Sin Cut]

Hi.
Last weekend i was attending a party at my math-teachers house. We got pretty drunk and was talking about music.
Then he told me that he liked Axl Rose but that he thougt that his lyrics are very superficial. I said that I didnt agree and would show him evidence of the opposite. The week went by and I had forgotten all about it until today when my teacher laughed and asked if I couldnt prove that Axl made some great lyrics. (He actually compared Axl to britney Spears)
So do any of you have suggestions of some great GnR lyrics, articles about Axls Lyris and so on?

My world 

[Pandora]

who cares what they think about it u cant help them if they ar stupid

They might also have that opinion because they haven't heard the right songs. But if they know them all and still don't like them, I agree there's not much convincing that can be done.

[conny]

The Blues, his best lyric so far.

[Evolution]

Hit him with some "Yesterdays"

[ppbebe]

beat him with "oh my god".

Neemo the article almost has me lean to odd1's teachers opinion..... well it's an old one.

[Gunner80]

Hi.
Last weekend i was attending a party at my math-teachers house. We got pretty drunk and was talking about music.
Then he told me that he liked Axl Rose but that he thougt that his lyrics are very superficial. I said that I didnt agree and would show him evidence of the opposite. The week went by and I had forgotten all about it until today when my teacher laughed and asked if I couldnt prove that Axl made some great lyrics. (He actually compared Axl to britney Spears)
So do any of you have suggestions of some great GnR lyrics, articles about Axls Lyris and so on?

He's probably a beatles fan. They all seem to have that kind of atittude.

[jameslofton29]

Definitely The Blues. Pure lyrical brilliance. I would also say Chinese Democracy, because of how its written in a way thats intentionally vague and could mean different things depending on who's listening to it.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

If your supposed teacher doesn't understand locomotive or estranged perhaps he has to be fix in the brain. And comparing Axl with Britney, that's way too stupid.

[Chief]

here are a few that i think are great:

Locomotive
Don't Damn Me
Estranged
Dead Horse
Bad Apples (i think)
Breakdown

[Nytunz]

i would go for breakdown!!! Absolutly! If anyone says thats bad lyrics!! Then  at them!
Also Estranged and Coma! Incredible lyrics!! And what about Civil War? !!

Show your teacher the lyrics to thouse songs, and he will be stuck! 

[Lord Kayoss]

If your supposed teacher doesn't understand locomotive or estranged perhaps he has to be fix in the brain. And comparing Axl with Britney, that's way too stupid.

Yeah, he obviously has something against Axl.  An ignorant comment like that would only come from someone who has a problem with him personally.

Could be the attitude, the no-showing, the rioting, the frequent disappearences.....name it.  As much as I admire Axl he does give people plenty of reasons to dislike him.

You're not likely gonna change his mind no matter what song you put in front of him.

[jimmythegent]

Axl has written some great lyrics - lets not forget he's written a few clunkers as well though

Id suggest -

garden of eden
paradise city
sweet child o' mine
one in a million (although it can be taken as the mere rantings of a bigot, I like to interpret it as ironic social commentary)
breakdown


ones to avoid -

back off bitch
get in the ring
shotgun blues
outta get me

[AxlsMainMan]

Alot of you guys praise the shit out of Coma, musically I dig it but I see no brilliance in the lyrics really. Breakdown takes the cake for me, that song is sheer brilliance and if your teacher/friend can find something worthy of praise then he doesnt deserve a set of ears to hear music through.

[disease51883]

I'm sure "Coma" or "Estranged" would blow your teacher out of the water. "Locomotive" or "Breakdown" would probably be acceptable too. I'd be cautious of showing someone the "If love is blind..." and "get down with your bad self" lines from those songs though, but that's a judgment call. For whatever it's worth, I actually know of a girl that read the lyrics to "Locomotive", was moved to tears, and became an instant GNR fan. "Coma" is my personal favorite though...

[Axl4Prez2004]

  First things first, you've got to realize this guy's probably never heard anything other than GNR songs played on the radio.  Estranged, Coma, Estranged, Coma and Estranged...okay, throw in some Coma.  I don't care what he says, he should be required to listen to both songs in completion three times each. 

  When he calls these songs superficial, tell him to suck his own dick, because you know he's busting your balls.   

Good luck 

PS  I'd throw Madagascar into the mix as well...totally non-superficial.