French Riots

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I'm upset because in France we don't like to face problems. I agree this became in the end a contest to know who is burning the most cars and stuff, but it still means there's a deeper problem. What I'm saying is that we'll talk about it for two weeks, De Villepin is gonna create new emergency laws and regulations and it won't actually change anything, in the end. I think we need to rethink all our politics and all our economics. I think we need a deep, actual change, trying to propose real solutions, like we were talking about on GN'R France. (plus I was kinda drunk when I posted... )

i think we ARE faciong the problems
im saying these are stupid kids because the violence is not the problem
the issue is at the root and that is unemployementy, living environement, social integration  and ... EDUCATION.
not cars burning. the cars burning are just the material summoning of the issue. so there isno need to talk about it.

if we continue crying and arguing about the cars burning, THEN we'll miss the point. so i think france (on tv - good tv - and around) is pretty much facing the reals problems and letting the violence emotions go (off course TF1 and shit like that aren't ....)

[Axl_owns_dexter]

if we continue crying and arguing about the cars burning, THEN we'll miss the point. so i think france (on tv - good tv - and around) is pretty much facing the reals problems and letting the violence emotions go (off course TF1 and shit like that aren't ....)

Good luck.  In the 1960's we had black riots in which we deemed the problems to be exactly what you just pointed out.  We started a whole bunch of programs to help blacks.  Now, 40 years later, things are still very shaky. 

You guys are on your way to becoming America Jr. the way your going.  I guarantee your politics will get more conservative in the coming years.  History is repeating itself. 

[Jessica]

History is repeating itself. 

Isn't it always ?

[Drew]

To Drew : I already said it but in France sending troops would just worsen the situation. French people seek the army when there is a natural disaster not when urban troubles arise. We already have the CRS for that, no need for the army ... what do you propose, tanks in the streets , what would they do ? Fire ? 

Roll your eyes all you want too if that makes you feel good. I never mentioned for anyone to just go in and start firing on people. 12 nights of rioting and the CRS are worthless. They obviously didn't and couldn't stop the riots as we see now. So yes, I do propose something besides the CRS.  I do think the Army could've done better. Tanks?....No, but some kind of force that has an affect. Just letting the riots continue and cause damage and injuries and/or deaths is ridiculous! This shows that the French governement was hoping the riots would stop and disappear. But they were wrong and look  pretty incoherent now on how to handle these kind of situations.

[Jessica]

Just look at how the whole katrina situation was handled and how the army is looked at in south US.

Army being there against its own people ?

Archiduke Ferdinand got killed for it
Tian an Men was a disaster
The 1960's
The french revolution

Anywhere and anytime, as soon as you use the army against your own people, you get a revolution. Or a civil war.

No thanks.

[Drew]

If there were rioters in my neighborhood and seriously affecting the safety of my children and family, I'd say bring in the Army and stop this madness before my house or car is set on fire and/or before my familes or my life is put in danger. I don't care how one may look at the Army. When it comes to the safety of my loved ones, I could care less what anyone else thinks.

[Sterlingdog]

Just look at how the whole katrina situation was handled and how the army is looked at in south US.

While there were some complaints about the attitude of the military in the Katrina disaster, I think the main complaint was that it took them too long to get there and when they came, there weren't enough of them.  Most people were asking, where is the military, within days after the hurricane.  No one said they weren't needed or wanted. 

I don't know how the French army works.  But here we have the National Guard and we expect and want them to come in and handle riots, or help with security when issues are too big for local police. 

[Rain]

Just look at how the whole katrina situation was handled and how the army is looked at in south US.

While there were some complaints about the attitude of the military in the Katrina disaster, I think the main complaint was that it took them too long to get there and when they came, there weren't enough of them.? Most people were asking, where is the military, within days after the hurricane.? No one said they weren't needed or wanted.?

I don't know how the French army works.? But here we have the National Guard and we expect and want them to come in and handle riots, or help with security when issues are too big for local police.?

That's what I've been trying to explain to you - Army is very welcomed when natural disasters occur - when there are people to save and help - BUT if you really want a general uprise in France just try to bring the army in to settle a social matter.
The CRS are trained to counter these kind of crises - If the riots continue it's because the governement doesn't want to face with the result of the death of one of rioters. CRS have guns - everything the army can offer in these kind of situation.