French Riots

[Axls Locomotive]

Ok, it seems tonight that some Islamic organizations are behind some of those riots. It's still unclear though. French newspapers start to reveal it. But if it's true it doesn't surprise me at all. I saw everything, I predicted everything when I saw with my own eyes the surbubs reaction during the 2nd Intifada a couple of years ago. They were fanatized people (and still are of course). Nobody wanted to see it, but I saw it. I know every possibility is possible, including kamikaze bombing actions from people in those surbubs in the future. One day, it will happen. French Kamikaze comming from the immigration, like in London last summer. The Islamism is taking the role of the French state, with social and financial helps. Their influnce is growing and growing day aftr day. Hopefully they are observed by the french Intelligence services, one of the best in the world.

Riots still continues as we speak now. The help of the Army is a possibility, if it continues.

Ahhh looks like Nostradamus has a rival...I name you Nesquick the Mystic lol

[nesquick]

Why isn't the army there yet?? It doesn't sound like its going to stop without major force.

because France is an old country. People think slow, people are slow. They are always sleeping.
When something takes 2 days to be done in the US, it takes 10 days in France.

Ahhh looks like Nostradamus has a rival...I name you Nesquick the Mystic? lol

There is nothing mystic. I live in paris, it's been years I've seen it comming. I think fast, I understand fast, it doesn't take me 10 years to understand certain things. Nothing more, nothing less?

As I said, people think Paris is wine, effeil tower, le louvre and romantic ballads....sure..but it's PARIS. No the surbubs. Take the metro, and 20 minutes later it's like the Bronx in the mid 80's. Even for the Police it's dangerous.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

well

the root of the problem is communautarism. 

I had no idea what the hell communautarism is, so I googled it.  I get a bunch of weird links such as this one: http://www.afcam.org/Anglais/croisade/Communautarisme.htm

Clash of communities?  It happens in LA all the time.  There's the community of people who clean houses for a living, and a community of people who have their homes cleaned for them.   You can try to sound like John Lennon and wish for these communities to blend in without differences, but it doesnt get you anywhere because they cant and wont.

If, as you imply, Sarkozy instigated these riots to advance his political agenda, then I assume the riots will intensify and become bloodier.  From the information I've seen on the web, the root of the problem appears to be too many youths, and not enough jobs to go around.

[Will]

Why isn't the army there yet? It doesn't sound like its going to stop without major force.

Because it's France. lol You know, the guys who think they are better than the rest of the world and who don't need anyone's help? We would never send the army - and I don't think it would be the solution, in France it would not be accepted by the population anyway. People think this is not something too serious and it will be over in a matter of days. Well, it ain't exactly what they think it is.

I don't fall for the conspiracy theories but there is big shit going on right now in the projects around Paris and other big French cities. We like to give lessons to other countries but we can't seem to control what's going on here. This is kinda weird because I started to receive emails from friends I've got all over the world and they're like: "I heard about the riots in France, are you ok? Be safe!".

And BerkeleyRiot, unlike what some people like to think in France, these riots (which are basically that: riots) are not happening only because our lousy Secretary of State made stupid remarks and called the rioters "gangstas". These riots have much deeper roots, and the recent events were just the ignition point, as it's been said before.

To give you an idea of what is going on, a French TV crew was reporting about the riots a couple of nights ago north of Paris. Some rioters got attracted by their car, which the journalists left because they feared for themselves, the rioters started to destroy the car and burn the hell out of it and were screaming beside it like it was their trophy. The journalists had to finish their report protected by the police. Last night, 900 cars and a lot of stores were burned down in France, including 600 in the Paris of suburbs. Tonight (so far), the number fell down to 100, which (I hope) means the riots are close to an end. We'll see what our government decides to do afterwards but with the two jerks we have in power (Sarkozy and De Villepin), I'm not very optimistic.

[Sterlingdog]

So if the military isn't there yet, what is being done to stop this?  Anything?  Are they hoping it will just stop on its own, like just wait it out and eventually people will get bored?

[Will]

They are sending lots of police backups in the projects, as much as they can. They're trying to calm people down, some people from the projects actually try to calm the rioters down too. Politicians are trying to discuss with some of the youth from those neighborhoods. They're trying a lot of different things, it seems to be better tonight.

[Sterlingdog]

They're trying a lot of different things, it seems to be better tonight.

That's interesting.  The news report I just read said it had escalated over night and spread to include more areas.

[Buddy J.B.]

Attack of the Frenchies!

[SLCPUNK]

 I'll bet it's some of our transplanted Amish causing all that riff raff.........

[Rain]

Riots still continues as we speak now, including burning schools, supermarkets, small businesses, restaurants, bar etc... The help of the Army is a possibility, if it continues.

I was just reading about this, the article I read said the riots were spreading out of the poor areas to the more quiet suburbs.? I hope no one has friends or family in any danger.

Why isn't the army there yet?? It doesn't sound like its going to stop without major force.

Because there's no need for an army yet ! It's not a revolution taking place down there - it's a mob - young kids burning cars and public facilities ! Yes it's sad, stupid but since the beginning of the events no one is dead !
And I haven't heard about quiet suburbs yet - Monfermeilles, Sevran, all these town in the 93 aren't quiet aereas -

[Rain]

They are sending lots of police backups in the projects, as much as they can. They're trying to calm people down, some people from the projects actually try to calm the rioters down too. Politicians are trying to discuss with some of the youth from those neighborhoods. They're trying a lot of different things, it seems to be better tonight.

Well I just heard some cars have burned in the 17th arrondissement in Paris so I guess things are not improving. 
But there is no need to blacken the situation w/ muslims extremists (which the rioters are not) !

[nesquick]

Tonight (so far), the number fell down to 100, which (I hope) means the riots are close to an end.

1297 cars burnt last night, the worst night since the riots started. It started slow, but in fact it really started later in the night.
The riots entered Paris (inside Paris), wich is new.

[Will]

My bad. When I posted here, it was like 2 or 3am, and the last Reuters news were from 11pm and they said just 100 cars burned down. It sucks if it got worse. I wonder what they'll do to stop that. Whatever they have been doing for 10 days is obviously not working.

It is making the headlines on CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/ , The NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/ , The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ and Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/

[Axl_owns_dexter]

I am trying to figure out what France is going to do when the non-indigenous French population is 20% of the population.

If they can't put down this riot, what are they going to do when the demographics change?  Do they understand how grave a situation and defining of a moment this really is?

[Axl_owns_dexter]

10 Officers Shot as Riots Worsen in French Cities

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/07/international/europe/07france.html?ei=5065&en=bedf387128f38586&ex=1132030800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

[Rain]

I am trying to figure out what France is going to do when the non-indigenous French population is 20% of the population.

If they can't put down this riot, what are they going to do when the demographics change?? Do they understand how grave a situation and defining of a moment this really is?

What's that ? 

You mean white french people ? "Our ancestors the gauls" thing ? 3/4 french people do at least have a grand father or a grand mother that came from another country - Poland, Italy, Spain, Portugal,Tunisia - Algeria - Marocco or countries in Africa.
The real matter is unemployment here -

[Rain]

10 Officers Shot as Riots Worsen in French Cities

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/07/international/europe/07france.html?ei=5065&en=bedf387128f38586&ex=1132030800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Thank you ! Pretty interesting article that actually pictures what's happening here - 

[Will]

The real matter is unemployment here -

And our government hasn't been able to do anything about it for the past few years. The right wing is trying to change things but even that doesn't work.

[nesquick]

There is a lot of racism in France. It's NOT normal that some arabics young people with a Master can't find a job because they are called mohamed or farid. It's not normal they are beaten by the police. You all know how I don't like "les racailles", but they are humans. They want a job, but France doesn't want them.

A 61 years old man is dead today, beaten to death by rioters.

I've never seen France like that, exept during the 2nd intifada. It's more than riots, it's turning into a civil war.
We should send the army, judge the riotters , and for the rest of the young people, those who want to work and get a job, let's help them!

[Doc Emmett Brown]

The real matter is unemployment here -

And our government hasn't been able to do anything about it for the past few years. The right wing is trying to change things but even that doesn't work.

Do you know if the unemployment rate is higher in the immigrant areas than in other regions?   In the Watts Riots in LA, unemployment was significantly higher in the black areas.

Racial tension with unemployment is like a time bomb waiting to go off     Even if you told people to ignore race, gender, etc,  if one person has a job and the other person doesnt, then you cannot ignore that difference.

A 61 years old man is dead today, beaten to death by rioters.

Is the first death of the riots?

The Rodney King riots had (I think) like 60 people killed.  They had to call in the Marines.  For a few days, a lot of people just left LA.  I was just a kid so I have vague memories from my parents.