Just a thought regarding the RIR 04 cancellation

[GnR-NOW]

It was said that Buckethead left the band because of inactivity and inability to produce a cd.  But why would he quit the band 2 months before one of the biggest rock concerts?  I was thinking what if ... and what if he didn't quit would the show have gone on with GnR, or was it doomed no matter what? and if it had gone on would we have CD right now?

[mikegiuliana]

From the way axl spoke it seems like BH could had been gone even sooner just axl didn't know.. I think they had nothing so this was just a nice convienent excuse..

[jameslofton29]

There was a zero percent chance of GNR performing at Rio. Mike's right, it was just a convenient excuse for them not to do it. Do you guys really think GNR had a bunch of plans, but BH leaving derailed everything? If plans had been made, we still wouldn't be waiting. GNR still could've done a concert, and an album could have been released. Its time for people to stop blaming Buckethead for everything. There were many problems before he even came into the band, and there have been problems since his departure.

[mikegiuliana]

There was a zero percent chance of GNR performing at Rio. Mike's right, it was just a convenient excuse for them not to do it. Do you guys really think GNR had a bunch of plans, but BH leaving derailed everything? If plans had been made, we still wouldn't be waiting. GNR still could've done a concert, and an album could have been released. Its time for people to stop blaming Buckethead for everything. There were many problems before he even came into the band, and there have been problems since his departure.

exactly man.. They replaced steve, duff for a few shows when he got hitched, izzy with gilby and matt for steve.. people were thrown right in the thick of things and had to learn damn fast.. it was one show with months to go something could had been done.. Also there has never been one word about a new guitar player to replace him..

Gnr changed for rio 2 so why not 4??

[chineseblues]

There was a zero percent chance of GNR performing at Rio. Mike's right, it was just a convenient excuse for them not to do it. Do you guys really think GNR had a bunch of plans, but BH leaving derailed everything? If plans had been made, we still wouldn't be waiting. GNR still could've done a concert, and an album could have been released. Its time for people to stop blaming Buckethead for everything. There were many problems before he even came into the band, and there have been problems since his departure.

Your wrong. They were gonna play and they even had other tour dates scheduled around Europe for just after the RIR show.  Stick to the facts next time instead of speculation. 

[GnR-NOW]

I don't remember any other tour dates being scheduled.  The only thing I remember was RIR 4 scheduled, was gnronline being updated before the RIR cancellation?

[jameslofton29]

I dont remember a cancelled european tour after Rio either. Although my memory is fading after all these years, so I guess its possible. Damn you Buckethead, you ruined EVERYTHING!!

[Slipdisc]

Your wrong. They were gonna play and they even had other tour dates scheduled around Europe for just after the RIR show.? Stick to the facts next time instead of speculation.?

Complete and utter BULLSHIT, the best thing you could do now; follow the advise you generously are giving to people, who clearly know more about these matters than you...? The only one speculating here are you.

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Buckethead has had a very long career in which he met numerous people who (almost) without exception, talk very highly of him (Then there?s Axl). They appreciate him as an artist and even more as a person (it's all there in writing to prove it). They describe him as being very loyal and mild-mannered and wouldn't doubt a second to work on another project. Not only because of the musician, but also because of the person.Then all of the sudden he meets Axl.

Who has a reputation (since the early 90's) of scaring practically everybody away (the list is endless) who steps into his life. Unsurprisingly, now Axl talks about Buckethead like most people talk about Axl. Knowing that Buckethead has no such relationship with any of the dozens of artists he worked with in the past, I really can't see how he should have used Axl. He shared the stage with GNR so little times that the general public didn't even had time to notice him. He never gave Axl the same treatment in the media, Axl chose to give him. Especially when Axl better could have invested some time in finding a solution for the RIR-fiasco, instead of dropping the ball 2 months in advance, blaming it on Buck. Especially when even four months before that (the press-release), Bill Laswell told me that Buckethead wouldn?t join GNR in RIR (at a gig in Belgium). The post I wrote at that time should be on this forum somewhere (when all sources around GNR were still denying everything). That?s 6 months my friend, for Axl to do something else than bitch about Buckethead in the media. Just face it, Axl wasn't ready for it. ? All the proof you need for this fact, is the fact that CD isn't spinning in your CD-player as we speak. In the past GNR never had more then two guitar players at their disposal, so finding a quick short term solution for RiR really wouldn't have been that difficult. If I knew Buck was gone, Axl sure as hell did as well. Remember how Axl said that Buck's departure would speed up the process? Well I ask you again....where's the CD?

Axl should try to figure out the significance of the fact that every situation and every relation in his life (during the past decade and a half) goes down the drain with only himself as a constant factor in each and every one of those situations and relationships. Before you keep it real for Axl make sure that Axl is keeping it real himself. Love the guy, but he's full of it. Love the performer, but not the person.

Not everything applies to this discussion, but it's as clear as glass that Buckethead was used as an excuse for other people's problems. Which was one of the things I tried to express when I wrote this.

Nothing was planned after RiR '04...

-PEACE-

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I've listened to GnR Music, and I've listened to some songs of Buckethead, the guy, is enormously different from how GUNS used to be, and I mean there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hole in the middle  I think he left the band because he simply didnt fit in, He got tired. Axl tried to reach a point, but he didnt choose the right guys. No, CD would still be in the same situation as today, with Buckethead in or without him. And I think the fact that Buckethead left the band, just made Axl go deeper and deeper in his isolation.

[Slipdisc]

I've listened to GnR Music, and I've listened to some songs of Buckethead, the guy, is enormously different from how GUNS used to be, and I mean there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hole in the middle? I think he left the band because he simply didnt fit in, He got tired. Axl tried to reach a point, but he didnt choose the right guys. No, CD would still be in the same situation as today, with Buckethead in or without him. And I think the fact that Buckethead left the band, just made Axl go deeper and deeper in his isolation.

Buckethead is the musical equivalent of a chameleon. Him not fitting in GNR is the least probable reason for his departure in my book. Buckethead?s solo stuff might be totally different from what GNR did in the past, however he wouldn?t have had any trouble adapting to whatever GNR required from him style-wise. Furthermore I think that Axl was really planning on taking GNR into new musical directions, since we really don?t know which direction this is, I think that it?s a little premature to conclude that Buck?s personal style and the style of the new GNR are that far apart. The only thing Buckethead really can?t function in, is a situation of stagnation. He needs to make music and bring it to the fans. That?s how he has been handling his art during the past decade and a half.

In conclusion, I think that if you switch action and reaction in this sentence of yours:

And I think the fact that Buckethead left the band, just made Axl go deeper and deeper in his isolation.

,into something like;

Axl went deeper and deeper in his isolation, which made Buckethead leave the band
(hence Dizzy not being able to confirm any of the current bandmembers for sure, true or not, it shows that Axl doesn't spend much time with somebody we all would think is closest to him in the band--->isolation)

,the result is something that's much closer to the truth?

-PEACE-

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I've listened to GnR Music, and I've listened to some songs of Buckethead, the guy, is enormously different from how GUNS used to be, and I mean there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hole in the middle? I think he left the band because he simply didnt fit in, He got tired. Axl tried to reach a point, but he didnt choose the right guys. No, CD would still be in the same situation as today, with Buckethead in or without him. And I think the fact that Buckethead left the band, just made Axl go deeper and deeper in his isolation.

Buckethead is the musical equivalent of a chameleon. Him not fitting in GNR is the least probable reason for his departure in my book. Buckethead?s solo stuff might be totally different from what GNR did in the past, however he wouldn?t have had any trouble adapting to whatever GNR required from him style-wise. Furthermore I think that Axl was really planning on taking GNR into new musical directions, since we really don?t know which direction this is, I think that it?s a little premature to conclude that Buck?s personal style and the style of the new GNR are that far apart. The only thing Buckethead really can?t function in, is a situation of stagnation. He needs to make music and bring it to the fans. That?s how he has been handling his art during the past decade and a half.

In conclusion, I think that if you switch action and reaction in this sentence of yours:

And I think the fact that Buckethead left the band, just made Axl go deeper and deeper in his isolation.

,into something like;

Axl went deeper and deeper in his isolation, which made Buckethead leave the band
(hence Dizzy not being able to confirm any of the current bandmembers for sure, true or not, it shows that Axl doesn't spend much time with somebody we all would think is closest to him in the band--->isolation)

,the result is something that's much closer to the truth?

-PEACE-

mmm Slipdisc, well man, I didnt know that quote, I casually almost write exactly, but that is what I think.. anyway man, You never even bothered to answer my Pm.

[Slipdisc]

mmm Slipdisc, well man, I didnt know that quote, I casually almost write exactly, but that is what I think.. anyway man, You never even bothered to answer my Pm.

I responded to a couple of your PM's, but let me tell you? it's heart-warming to see how you react when a guy doesn?t have the time to respond to everything you throw at ?m ? at once (you obviously start lying). Are you an only child in your family? It would definitely explain this whole ?the sun revolves around me? mentality you?ve got goin? there? I provided you with an article and answered your questions the best I could (on PM), that other PM WOULD (but not anymore) have been answered as well IN TIME.

Please, don?t bother me again. The only thing I can?t stand more than a liar (="You never even bothered to answer my Pm"), would be an egoist?

-PEACE-

PS:

Didn?t you notice how the questions you asked in your last PM, all were answered by me in this thread?? What is it that you want, a personalized version of the same thread? I could copy my post to PM and put "Hey Carlos," above it, would that make it more bearable for you?

[Carlos_f_Rose]

I responded to a couple of your PM's, but let me tell you? it's heart-warming to see how you react when a guy doesn?t have the time to respond to everything you throw at ?m ? at once (you obviously start lying). Are you an only child in your family? It would definitely explain this whole ?the sun revolves around me? mentality you?ve got goin? there? I provided you with an article and answered your questions the best I could (on PM), that other PM WOULD (but not anymore) have been answered as well IN TIME.

Please, don?t ever bother me again. The only thing I can?t stand more than a liar (="You never even bothered to answer my Pm"), would be an egoist?

-PEACE-

PS:

Didn?t you notice how the questions you asked in your last PM, all were answered by me in this thread?? What is it that you want, a personalized variation of the same thread?

Man first I didnt start Lying.... I never listened to Buckethead's music before, I downloaded some of his songs these days and soon Im going to buy some of his album as I told you. Second Im sorry maybe I wanted an inmediatly answer or reply. Third Im not the only child in my family  .
Fourth I didnt lie when I told you  "You didnt even bother to reply" That is why you spent a lot of time replying the question I told you about Buckethead, and your reasons why He left GNR, but that is explained cause certainly you are a very busy person  , Wich I understand... well man that is all. Now you know that I didnt lie then im not a liar  ... and at last with all respect I wouldnt be so brave trying to analize you, and your behavior, considering that I dont know you, just like you did with me...

[Slipdisc]

Man first I didnt start Lying.... I never listened to Buckethead's music before, I downloaded some of his songs these days and soon Im going to buy some of his album as I told you.

You DID start lying when you said:

"You never even bothered to answer my Pm"

I could make a ?print-screen? of my outbox and the two PM?s I send to you. Or give somebody I trust on this board my login-details to check my outbox. Say what you want, but saying that I ?never even bothered to answer your PM?, is nothing but a blatant lie? Maybe I didn't find the time to respond to that last one personally via PM, which is my good right moreover since I already did replied to the same question in this thread, but I certainly responded to your PM's.

Fourth I didnt lie when I told you? "You didnt even bother to reply" That is why you spent a lot of time replying the question I told you about Buckethead, and your reasons why He left GNR,

So it?s true you just want me to tell you the same thing ?again- but now personally over PM? Because you seem to acknowledge the fact that I already answered your PM in this thread ("That is why you spent a lot of time replying the question I told you about Buckethead"). I?m glad to see you indirectly admitting to my assertion of you being an egoist as well.

Again:

I could make a ?print-screen? of my outbox and the two PM?s I send to you or give somebody I trust on this board my login-details to check my outbox. Say what you want, but saying that I ?never even bothered to answer your PM?s?, is nothing but a blatant lie.

but that is explained cause certainly you are a very busy person? ?, Wich I understand... well man that is all.

No you don?t:

maybe I wanted an inmediatly answer or reply

Now you know that I didnt lie then im not a liar? ?...

The only thing I know now is that you obviously have a hard time admitting to your own mistakes.

and at last with all respect I wouldnt be so brave trying to analize you, and your behavior, considering that I dont know you, just like you did with me...

I?m confronting you with you with some of your own statements which are lies. People who state lies are liars. I?m not hinting at some sort of structural problem on your part, I?m merely responding to your statements in this thread.

-PEACE-

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Well man, some little things to mention:

  "You never even bothered to answer my Pm" That was my quote, that is right. I never lied cause You never even bothered to answer my PM, the last one dude, maybe I should have wrote "You didnt answer my LAST Pm" there is the reason of the confussion You have... for me Its clear, Cause I didnt tell you.. You never even bothered to answer my PM's.. Now that is a different story..

Second, I wanted and answer about the reasons BucketBoy left the band and that was the last PM I sent you and I thought you were going to reply it in PM too, but I wanted it days Ago, when I almost didnt know anything about the guy,  Then I wrote the reasons here why I think Bh left the band, you replied that here in this Topic, recently. but I already knew enough of the guy to talk.

And third, its true you didnt bother to answer my PM, but the last one, wich is obviously your choice, If you want to answer cool, if you dont want even cooler.  Anyway man, I just want to state that I never lied, but if you want to believe that its your choice to. Have fun and I hope we talk in a better way the next time. 

[ppbebe]

Back to the topic, Slip,
Yeah I agree with you on the most part but what if it was done by mutual consent just between A and B? He could have announced his departure four months earlier than he did but he didn't. Instead he had waited till RIR was just 2 months n a few days to go. Only That way the departure could prevent GNR from touring without CD.
Yeah I may be overrating B's character, and Yes, it's a wild guess but it would explain many things perfectly.

[Slipdisc]

Well man, some little things to mention:

"You never even bothered to answer my Pm" That was my quote, that is right. I never lied cause You never even bothered to answer my PM, the last one dude, maybe I should have wrote "You didnt answer my LAST Pm" there is the reason of the confussion You have... for me Its clear, Cause I didnt tell you.. You never even bothered to answer my PM's.. Now that is a different story..

maybe I should have wrote "You didnt answer my LAST Pm" there is the reason of the confussion You have

Yeah you should have. Cause the thing you wrote instead was a lie. Making me look like some asshole who feels to good to respond to people's PM's. Twist and turn as much as you like, but you can?t hold me responsible for you being incomplete in your formulations. Futhermore, and funny thing is that you seem to admit to it time and time again, I explained to you over and over again in this thread:

I already did reply to the same question in this thread

Second, I wanted and answer about the reasons BucketBoy left the band and that was the last PM I sent you and I thought you were going to reply it in PM too, but I wanted it days Ago, when I almost didnt know anything about the guy,? Then I wrote the reasons here why I think Bh left the band, you replied that here in this Topic, recently. but I already knew enough of the guy to talk.

So besides being self centered and lying you are being arrogant now as well? Because now you start interfering with the way I should spend my time:

?but I wanted it days Ago?

I really don?t care WHEN you would like me to respond to you. I?m sorry if this sounds a little harsh to you, but that?s none of your damn business.

And third, its true you didnt bother to answer my PM, but the last one, wich is obviously your choice, If you want to answer cool, if you dont want even cooler.? Anyway man, I just want to state that I never lied, but if you want to believe that its your choice to. Have fun and I hope we talk in a better way the next time.?

Again, I did answer to it, but did so in this thread instead of thru PM. It?s not about not wanting something; it?s about not seeing the value of repeating something again. You did lie and I called you on it. If you mean something different, say something different. I?m done with this now. I?m not planning on repeating the same thing over and over again.

-PEACE-

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Man, I dont know you, but Im not upset... it teaches me something great, anyway, I didnt lie and Im not arrogant, maybe you understand it that way, in fact Im sorry If I pissed you off, Maybe I didnt express the way I should, Have fun dude and as I told you, I hope the next time we talk in a better way. 

[Slipdisc]

Back to the topic, Slip,
Yeah I agree with you on the most part but what if it was done by mutual consent just between A and B? He could have announced his departure four months earlier than he did but he didn't. Instead he had waited till RIR was just 2 months n a few days to go. Only That way the departure could prevent GNR from touring without CD.
Yeah I may be overrating B's character, and Yes, it's a wild guess but it would explain many things perfectly.

Who said Buckethead didn't talked about this earlier with Axl? The problem with your logic is that you take Axl's word like the gospel. Maybe Axl isn't telling the whole truth to paint a better picture of himself, concerning this situation? My point is and always will be:

"If I knew Buck was gone (6 months before RiR), Axl sure as hell did as well."

It's not like I had to kidnap Laswell or Buck to get the info.

-PEACE-

[ppbebe]

Back to the topic, Slip,
Yeah I agree with you on the most part but what if it was done by mutual consent just between A and B? He could have announced his departure four months earlier than he did but he didn't. Instead he had waited till RIR was just 2 months n a few days to go. Only That way the departure could prevent GNR from touring without CD.
Yeah I may be overrating B's character, and Yes, it's a wild guess but it would explain many things perfectly.

Who said Buckethead didn't talked about this earlier with Axl? The problem with your logic is that you take Axl's word like the gospel. Maybe Axl isn't telling the whole truth to paint a better picture of himself, concerning this situation? My point is and always will be:

"If I knew Buck was gone (6 months before RiR), Axl sure as hell did as well."

It's not like I had to kidnap Laswell or Buck to get the info.

-PEACE-

No. the problem is that you didn't read my post propely and didn't get my logic at all.
Who takes Axl's word like the gospel? Who's saying Axl is telling the whole truth?
Get rid of your preconceptions and off your high horse.

I'm not talking about when Axl knew it. That's not relevant to the topic, innit?

By 'he' I meant BH and I was on about BH's press release that is in question of the subject. I said 'on topic'.