Downloading Tunes Via P2P illegal if......????

[anythinggoes]

you already own the album.

Case in Question, When the Hollywood Rose Album came out i purchased it it cost something like ?15.99 but it was sealed although i wanted to listen to it i didnt want to oen it so i didnt last night while on limewire i thought id look for the songs which i did i found and downloaded and listened to them. Was this illegal or am i going to have the music companys knockin my door down (ps im not really worried just curious to know)

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

if you buy a copied version of a dvd you already own isnt illegal ?

music company will make a big step if they can provide a service where, if i buy on cd, i can listen to it on any support: my mp3 player connected to their servers, my home pc connected, on a friends computer, on the plane ....

[purplehaze1988]

on another note, is it illegal to sell a mislabelled album because i bought a jimi hendrix boxset where most of the songs arent really hendrix.

unnfortunately i lost the receipt, but do youu think i could take it back to hmv and get a refund

[Axls Locomotive]

there probably is a small risk of getting caught

if you distribute the songs on the net then you are more likely to get caught as far as i know...ie when youve downloaded them, make sure that noone can download them from you

you can find out more from the anti riaa sites on the net

[*Izzy*]

Technically putting anything with a copywright on a peer-to-peer network is illegal, so I assume downloading them is the same

[Eazy E]

I'm pretty sure if you own the songs it's not illegal. ?It would be no different from copying it directly from your CD, you've already paid to listen to those songs.

Also depends which legal system you're talking about.  Canada doesn't have any firm laws in place against internet downloading.

[AxlsMainMan]

Downloading music off a P2P network is essentially the same as taking a book out of the library. Your still getting the product you want and supporting the artist's/author's work, just free of charge.

[pilferk]

If you're in the US, it's legal.  Or, at least partly.

The Supreme Court has upheld (the "betamax" ruling) the right to "media shift", so long as you have purchased the content.  In other words, if you buy a CD, and download the mp3's, it's legal.  HOWEVER, with P2P...if someone is downloading from you (as in, you have file sharing on), THEN you are distributing the media illegally.  Make sense?

1) You have the right to download the MP3's, since you bought the album.  You're not violating the copyright laws in any way.

2) You do NOT have the right to share those MP3's with anyone else who has not bought the album.  That WOULD be a violation of the copyright laws.

So, if you're strictly leaching, while that's considered bad manners, you'd be OK......

[pilferk]

Downloading music off a P2P network is essentially the same as taking a book out of the library. Your still getting the product you want and supporting the artist's/author's work, just free of charge.

Not really....but we'll leave that debate alone.

[Prometheus]

this is the same for canada, so long as you own an orgional copy you can "for your own use" make back up copies of any purchased media. It gets intresting with software, however so long as you own an orgional of that program you can have 1million copies... again only if they are for yourself, however with software if you plan to use on multiple systems unless you purchase a multi user licence then its illegal. but for music, and tv shows, and movies you can have copies galore for your own use. and in the case of TV shows... its not illegal to DL them so long as you have the particular channel that they are from. and on another note on music, Radio stations that webcast their radio broadcast are required to pay the normal royalties plus a certain % for the webcast content, this varies per label with i beleive sony requireing 100% on both

[anythinggoes]

well i live in the UK (although i wish i lived in US) so i dont know what the laws are here i pressume they are the same, but if its so illegal how come everyone does it and how do thse p2p site manage to exist

[Genesis]

Ah, good ol' India. No cyber laws to speak of. A truly 'free' country. 

[pilferk]

well i live in the UK (although i wish i lived in US) so i dont know what the laws are here i pressume they are the same, but if its so illegal how come everyone does it and how do thse p2p site manage to exist

Again, in the US, you'd have to go back to "the betamax ruling" by the Supreme Court.  In essense, since there are perfectly LEGAL reasons for the networks to exist, the technology, itself, isn't illegal.  So p2p tech can't be recinded from the public.  The fact that it can be used to do illegal things is a moot point.

Why does everyone do it?  Getting something for nothing is a pretty strong alure, especially considering it's very tough to track p2p users down.....

As to how "illegal" p2p sites manage to exist?  They either fly under the radar, and no one reports them,  they are hosted out of the country so prosecution would be almost impossilbe, or they are "owned" by several dummy "persona's" and are tough to track down.  MANY p2p sites HAVE been shut down, and others have gone to "registration only" where the p2p dl's are in "restricted" areas that you gain access to only through mod approval.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Usually I end up buying the CD anyway if I 've downloaded a few songs off an album  on a P2P & like it. Usually the sound quality is not nearly as good as if you went to the store & shelled out the $12.99

[Jim]

Aye. Me, I download music reasonably frequently. If I like what I have downloaded, then I buy it. No complication, really. It's just handy to be able to listen to something on release, if I can't really afford it at the time.

I like this quote:

"Illegaly downloading music won't destroy music, it will destroy the music industry."

My friend says it, not sure who did originally, but it's a good enough reason for me to download music illegaly with a clear conscience.   

[anythinggoes]

Aye. Me, I download music reasonably frequently. If I like what I have downloaded, then I buy it. No complication, really. It's just handy to be able to listen to something on release, if I can't really afford it at the time.

I like this quote:

"Illegaly downloading music won't destroy music, it will destroy the music industry."

My friend says it, not sure who did originally, but it's a good enough reason for me to download music illegaly with a clear conscience.? ?

well i only try and download rare unreleased tracks or porn and shit like that Hollywood Rose was the first Proper Album i suppose but i thought as long as i own it id be ok

[Axls Locomotive]

When you buy tracks off of iTunes etc, what are you buying exactly? mp3's? or some other format?...if so, then surely you are getting ripped off with lower than cd quality sound

[Gunner80]

When you buy tracks off of iTunes etc, what are you buying exactly? mp3's? or some other format?...if so, then surely you are getting ripped off with lower than cd quality sound

MPEG4 to be exact. And yes you are getting ripped-off with compressed media.

[Axls Locomotive]

oh i see...first rule of commerce, the majority of kids are dumb and we can sell anything to them 

[pilferk]

When you buy tracks off of iTunes etc, what are you buying exactly? mp3's? or some other format?...if so, then surely you are getting ripped off with lower than cd quality sound

MPEG4 to be exact. And yes you are getting ripped-off with compressed media.

Depends.  Realize that most ipods (and most PC's or portable music aparatus) aren't capable of really doing justice to high end audio, anyway.  They're just not equipped to do it, for the most part.  So, if what you're using to listen to music, mostly, isn't capable of giving you the quality you'd buy on CD, I'm not sure how you're getting "ripped off".

But, I would agree...if you're using a high-end (or even good mid-range) home audio setup to listen to mp3's...you're robbing yourself of quite a bit in the sound quality department.