Pseudo Humility

[Sin Cut]

I think Walk has a point, in sports for an example; if you don't got pride for yourself and believe you're better than the other competioners it's not likely you will win.

Take two runners who have exactly the same capabilites, but the second one don't believe in himself. I think they're both great runners, but the one who believes inhimself is going to be better.

And if you're going to achieve something, there are people trying to put you down, but you just have to walk over them.
Humility don't help you there.

pride in what you do is fine.
pride in what others do (country, school team ...) sucks ass.
people shouldnt even be allowed to say " MY country".

Why not?
I don't think it's wrong to take pride of where you're from.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I think Walk has a point, in sports for an example; if you don't got pride for yourself and believe you're better than the other competioners it's not likely you will win.

Take two runners who have exactly the same capabilites, but the second one don't believe in himself. I think they're both great runners, but the one who believes inhimself is going to be better.

And if you're going to achieve something, there are people trying to put you down, but you just have to walk over them.
Humility don't help you there.

pride in what you do is fine.
pride in what others do (country, school team ...) sucks ass.
people shouldnt even be allowed to say " MY country".

Why not?
I don't think it's wrong to take pride of where you're from.

well i think it's useless.
i mean if you're like the great engineer or businesman or something.
but come on, people with simple normal lives are like thinking the strength of their country stands on them. nope.
france can trade me for a chinese 60 years old man, there wouldnt be any difference ?____? (ahaha taht's funny No? Nothing? Not even a titter? )

i ain't saying she a golddigger, but she ain't messing with no broke nigger

[Charity Case]

WAT-EVER, you will never understand national pride because of where you are from.  No offense, but if you were from the US you'd have a much different perspective.  I understand what you are trying to say, but you are ignoring the basis for pride itself....perspective.

Let's say my son grows up to be a doctor who cures cancer.  Even though I had no hand in finding the cure, I'd be as proud as a peacock about my son's accomplishments.  According to you, you wouldn't have pride in this.  See, it's about perspective.

If I were from France I would probably feel the same way you do.  And if you were from the US you'd probably feel the same way a lot of American's do.  Wouldn't you agree that being from the world's super power may lend itself to different emotions and feelings than being from the country that is historical known for being the opposite of a world super power (trying to be nice here)?

In any event, the topic is irrelevant.  It's like telling someone who is sad they souldn't be sad, or someone who is angry that they shouldn't be angry. 

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

WAT-EVER, you will never understand national pride because of where you are from.? No offense, but if you were from the US you'd have a much different perspective.? I understand what you are trying to say, but you are ignoring the basis for pride itself....perspective.

Let's say my son grows up to be a doctor who cures cancer.? Even though I had no hand in finding the cure, I'd be as proud as a peacock about my son's accomplishments.? According to you, you wouldn't have pride in this.? See, it's about perspective.

If I were from France I would probably feel the same way you do.? And if you were from the US you'd probably feel the same way a lot of American's do.? Wouldn't you agree that being from the world's super power may lend itself to different emotions and feelings than being from the country that is historical known for being the opposite of a world super power (trying to be nice here)?

In any event, the topic is irrelevant.? It's like telling someone who is sad they souldn't be sad, or someone who is angry that they shouldn't be angry.?

so... how come a lot of french people are VERY patriotic ? (and they were patriotic even before your country existed).... uh uh ?

it is just that ... when there is NOTHING to proud of, then don't be proud.

i just got back from the united states. people are nice. but WHY can the hell the cashier at chick fil-a be proud ?
who is he ? he is the fuckin cashier at chick fil-a (i mean their sandwiches are good) .....

that's my point. i mean ... all these cars with american flags stickers.... we GET it
YOU ARE AMERICAN. we know. we're in the US.


just like the cheerleeders at a football game or the supporters in soccer game in france. i just don't get it.
or you play. or you watch.
there are soldiers fighting in iraq. then there is you in front of your computer.

dont put the subject on france, i already said i dont care.



and, isn't pride a sin ?

[Will]

If I were from France I would probably feel the same way you do. And if you were from the US you'd probably feel the same way a lot of American's do. Wouldn't you agree that being from the world's super power may lend itself to different emotions and feelings than being from the country that is historical known for being the opposite of a world super power (trying to be nice here)?

Another nice opportunity for our good friend Charity Case a/k/a The Open Minded Super Trooper to put down France and its people, even though no one even talked about it. Nice and smooth.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

and charity case:

making fun of france wont get you anywhere... i sure did bang more american sorority girls that you will even talk to.
so all the hot american sweethearts you see in your town likes me more than you

[Sin Cut]

and charity case:

making fun of france wont get you anywhere... i sure did bang more american sorority girls that you will even talk to.
so all the hot american sweethearts you see in your town likes me more than you

wtf?

Yeah I'm sure your mom likes me a lot more than you 

[jarmo]

Nothing wrong in being proud of where you're from. As long as it doesn't go overboard and you start thinking you're better than anybody else because of you're nativity or skin color.




/jarmo

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

and charity case:

making fun of france wont get you anywhere... i sure did bang more american sorority girls that you will even talk to.
so all the hot american sweethearts you see in your town likes me more than you

wtf?

Yeah I'm sure your mom likes me a lot more than you 

i mean ... next step for charity case would have been " my **** is bigger than yours"
so as long as we are doing childish compareasons (us is better, france is better)

[Sin Cut]

and charity case:

making fun of france wont get you anywhere... i sure did bang more american sorority girls that you will even talk to.
so all the hot american sweethearts you see in your town likes me more than you

wtf?

Yeah I'm sure your mom likes me a lot more than you?

i mean ... next step for charity case would have been " my **** is bigger than yours"
so as long as we are doing childish compareasons (us is better, france is better)

oh yeah, my dad's and engineer, what's your dad

[Will]

His dad invented the internet.

[pilferk]

His dad invented the internet.

Al Gore is Wat's father?? ?

Man, that guy gets around.  I wonder if Tipper knows?

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

His dad invented the internet.

my dad can so kick your dad's ass.
i'm telling.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

His dad invented the internet.

my dad can so kick your dad's ass.
i'm telling.

I get what WAT-EVER is saying, at the end I can put it like this, pride won't take you anywhere, specially if you think you should be proud of living in certain country, Not that is wrong but it won't help you at all.
Being pride in your achivements it's ok if that helps the world in every way, but not rubishing all your achievement to anyone's face, that will also boost your ego.
People nowadays like to be proudful of everything that people recognize as good thing, that so unhealthy.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

im not that moral, i have to confess.
i'm very arrogant. i have to admit.

but i hate pride in the forms of patriotism, communautarism, pride of others people achivements ...

[Walk]

you see, pride sucks.
now get those american flag off your car and house. we know you're american.

I'm proud to be an American because American values are strong. I'm proud to show what I believe in. People who aren't patriotic don't recognize that their culture has heroes and ideals. You want everyone grinded down into being generic and not celebrating achievement. Pride means having the same ideals as one's ancestors and striving for them. Giving up on this is proverbially throwing down a white flag and whimpering away. I'd rather throw down a gauntlet instead! 

[Sin Cut]

you see, pride sucks.
now get those american flag off your car and house. we know you're american.

I'm proud to be an American because American values are strong. I'm proud to show what I believe in. People who aren't patriotic don't recognize that their culture has heroes and ideals. You want everyone grinded down into being generic and not celebrating achievement. Pride means having the same ideals as one's ancestors and striving for them. Giving up on this is proverbially throwing down a white flag and whimpering away. I'd rather throw down a gauntlet instead!

I've always thought that if someone has high thoughts about his/her country it's because the country has suffered a war etc. where the nation has fought as one.

Can anyone from  Sweden confirm that I'm right or wrong? Are finnish people more patriotic than swedish?

[jarmo]

Can anyone from? Sweden confirm that I'm right or wrong? Are finnish people more patriotic than swedish?

Finns and Norwegians are a lot more patriotic than Swedes. In Sweden they just recently made the National Day a holiday to try to make the Swedes more patriotic.

Finland and Norway have a tradition of celebration their national day's, Sweden doesn't yet.





/jarmo

[Jessica]

you see, pride sucks.
now get those american flag off your car and house. we know you're american.

I'd rather throw down a gauntlet instead! 

Be careful on who you challenge before you throw a gauntlet ( or unearth a peace calumet)

pssst !!?? ( are you sure bush is worth the duel ? )