US terrorist/imperialis government to invade Venezuela for oil

[Rain]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ? 

[SLCPUNK]

 The United States overruled democracies down there to put puppets dictatorships to remplace them. I'm speaking for Brazil but it goes for Chile (this one you can't deny) and Argentina ... So yes the United States are seen as an imperialist country and it difficult to deny it too.

Yes and the USA has overthrown democracies and installed dictators in the middle east too.

People always seem to forget that when claiming we are "spreading democracy", and "fighting terror".

[POPmetal]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ??

Probably because you don't have a point.

[SLCPUNK]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ? 

Probably because you don't have a point.

So childish you are.....

[POPmetal]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ??

Probably because you don't have a point.

So childish you are.....

And it's back to personal attacks again. Imagine that .....

[Dr. Blutarsky]

 The United States overruled democracies down there to put puppets dictatorships to remplace them. I'm speaking for Brazil but it goes for Chile (this one you can't deny) and Argentina ... So yes the United States are seen as an imperialist country and it difficult to deny it too.

Yes and the USA has overthrown democracies and installed dictators in the middle east too.

People always seem to forget that when claiming we are "spreading democracy", and "fighting terror".

Where have we overthrown a democracy and started a dictatorship in the Mid East?

If I have stumped you , a personal attack on me is not really necessary thank you.

[Surfrider]

 The United States overruled democracies down there to put puppets dictatorships to remplace them. I'm speaking for Brazil but it goes for Chile (this one you can't deny) and Argentina ... So yes the United States are seen as an imperialist country and it difficult to deny it too.

Yes and the USA has overthrown democracies and installed dictators in the middle east too.

People always seem to forget that when claiming we are "spreading democracy", and "fighting terror".

Where have we overthrown a democracy and started a dictatorship in the Mid East?

If I have stumped you , a personal attack on me is not really necessary thank you.

I guess Suddam was technically elected.

[Rain]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ??

Probably because you don't have a point.

If what I usually say doesn't make sense I wonder how did I pass a Master Degree on American Civilization ... It may be that french universities suck so much !
Maybe you want me to enlight things for you - to make them easier for you to understand ?

My point was -> Saddam is no longer around - Ossama nowhere to be found - then bam Chavez becomes the new bad boy thanks to Pat Robertson ! The man has been elected ! he guy's not a dictator yet ! And what he's saying is really no big deal - a majority of south americans feel the same.

I guess you'll keep on saying I don't have a point and what I'm saying is fuckin stupid - so be it ! it happens most of your posts have the same effect on me ! 

[POPmetal]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ??

Probably because you don't have a point.

If what I usually say doesn't make sense I wonder how did I pass a Master Degree on American Civilization ... It may be that french universities suck so much !
Maybe you want me to enlight things for you - to make them easier for you to understand ?

My point was -> Saddam is no longer around - Ossama nowhere to be found - then bam Chavez becomes the new bad boy thanks to Pat Robertson ! The man has been elected ! he guy's not a dictator yet ! And what he's saying is really no big deal - a majority of south americans feel the same.

I guess you'll keep on saying I don't have a point and what I'm saying is fuckin stupid - so be it ! it happens most of your posts have the same effect on me !?

I didn't say your posts were "fuckin stupid," but if that's the effect my posts have on you, why do you keep responding

And no you don't have a point because almost nobody cares about about Pat Robertson, and Chavez has been making a mockery of himself long before Pat Robertson ever said anything about him.

Do you have a source to back up your claim that "a majority of south americans" feel the same way Chavez does? Somehow I doubt many south americans would agree the US is ?the most savage, cruel, and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world.?

[Rain]

No one is making Chavez look bad, but himself.

How is this that you never get my point ??

Probably because you don't have a point.

If what I usually say doesn't make sense I wonder how did I pass a Master Degree on American Civilization ... It may be that french universities suck so much !
Maybe you want me to enlight things for you - to make them easier for you to understand ?

My point was -> Saddam is no longer around - Ossama nowhere to be found - then bam Chavez becomes the new bad boy thanks to Pat Robertson ! The man has been elected ! he guy's not a dictator yet ! And what he's saying is really no big deal - a majority of south americans feel the same.

I guess you'll keep on saying I don't have a point and what I'm saying is fuckin stupid - so be it ! it happens most of your posts have the same effect on me !?

I didn't say your posts were "fuckin stupid," but if that's the effect my posts have on you, why do you keep responding

And no you don't have a point because almost nobody cares about about Pat Robertson, and Chavez has been making a mockery of himself long before Pat Robertson ever said anything about him.

Do you have a source to back up your claim that "a majority of south americans" feel the same way Chavez does? Somehow I doubt many south americans would agree the US is ?the most savage, cruel, and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world.?

Many politicians accross the world have been making a mockering of themselves for years ... It happens lately the conservative part of the American media are focusing  on Chavez ... He's been saying the same bullshit for years so why now ?  

And for my sources - I was born in Brazil - twenty years of dictarship thanks to the American help and a debt Brazil has to pay back. So American imperialism in South America is something that is felt everyday.
I'm not saying south americans hate the USA it's quite the other way around but when it comes down to culture not imperialism. I wasn't talking about Chavez non-sense citation but about the idea of imperialism he conveys. He builds all his rhetoric around that he emphasizes it !

[POPmetal]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

[Rain]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Obviously, first hand observations ain't anough for you ! I really don't know why I get on having this conversation ! - 
For the record next time you share one of your personnal experiences ... ie "I'm not American yet I'm from Eastern Europe" I'll think about answering "I don't care where you were born" 

[POPmetal]

If I use my personal experience as evidence for what the "majority" of Easter Europe thinks, certainly do.

[SLCPUNK]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Rain is probably one of the smartest people on this board and is running laps around you.

 You just aren't smart enough to know it.

[POPmetal]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Rain is probably one of the smartest people on this board and is running laps around you.

 You just aren't smart enough to know it.

Funny how we're back to personal attacks again. You aren't smart enough is the best you can come up with?

[Rain]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Rain is probably one of the smartest people on this board and is running laps around you.

 You just aren't smart enough to know it.

Funny how we're back to personal attacks again. You aren't smart enough is the best you can come up with?

Oh well, I guess I'm giving it a rest ! Too much energy waste for nothing ! Tchao, so long ! 

[Surfrider]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Rain is probably one of the smartest people on this board and is running laps around you.

 You just aren't smart enough to know it.

Actually I thought this was the most witty comment in the exchange:

If I use my personal experience as evidence for what the "majority" of Easter Europe thinks, certainly do.

It is true, that is exactly what she was doing.? Re-read the exchange.? I am sure use of this kind of evidence is on your logical fallacy list somewhere.

[SLCPUNK]

 I am sure use of this kind of evidence is on your logical fallacy list somewhere.

He is on a list alright.....

[Rain]

The conservative part of the American media is focusing on Chavez lately? That's news to me.

Frankly, I don't care where you were born. Obviously, you have no evidence to back up your claim.

Rain is probably one of the smartest people on this board and is running laps around you.

 You just aren't smart enough to know it.

Actually I thought this was the most witty comment in the exchange:

If I use my personal experience as evidence for what the "majority" of Easter Europe thinks, certainly do.

It is true, that is exactly what she was doing.? Re-read the exchange.? I am sure use of this kind of evidence is on your logical fallacy list somewhere.

I'm only answering to your post here because I have the feeling you are a clever poster in here (and I always have).
Ok you too are dismissing first hand observations and eventually I can even agree with that ! I know what was coming while I was writing it.
What buggers me is that - my point was that Chavez blahblah is actually not new and is widespread in South America because american Imperialism cannot be denied. And you don't focus on "imperialism in South America" but on "Chavez blablah's is widespread in South America" and I'm urged to proove that point but not using first hand observations - just internet links ... which I hope you will eventually concur is pretty difficult.
I thought, and I was wrong, that it was pretty obvious that people who suffered years of dictatorship - as in Chile, Brazil etc - wouldn't be kind while dealing with American policies.

[Jessica]

chavez doesn't make himself look bad, but seems like this thread's poster tries to do just that.

It's called " disinformation" or "a mission to make someone lose all credibility"

And chavez does have oil, therefore, like every country that does, he is right to worry.