The Latest Theory 2000-2005

[Thorazine Shuffle]

This is just my opinion, but I believe Axl could give a rats-ass about VR, or how successful VR is.  hell, for all we know, he could be a fan of them.   I think the delay is about Axl trying for perfection, which in this day in age is very admirable.  Quality over quantity.

[ppbebe]

Aye! 

I remember that in an interview done in the last march slash did say that  Axl was seeking to release the album simultaneously with theirs (contra) for certain. well I'm uncertain about how much he was sure.  if it was true then, it may be coming true this time.

[Krispy Kreme]

there is no doubt in my mind that VR effected GNR. after a million years of delays and everything, when you are finally ready to put an album out, you need the right time to do it. VR had a huge album, and competing against that would be tough. i believe that axl is waiting for the wave to settle down a little bit, then hit the public with his record.

Wel, Axl better hurry because the way things are going VR will have their second album out before CD comes out.

[WAR41]

I do think that it has bothered Axl.  The guy has been working hard how many years now on Chinese Democracy?  Then Slash, Duff, and Matt come along and throw something together in a short amount of time.  They release an album and win a grammy, go multi-platinum, and I assume (from comparing reports of shows from here) sell essentially the same amount of tickets for shows that GNR did on their 2002 tour. 

Nevermind the quality of the music, as that debate will get us nowhere and the so original "Britney Spears sells out shows, sells millions of albums" argument.  It has to bother him that they have done this by just throwing something together in a short period of time with nowhere near the effort that he has put into his album.

I compare it to being in school.  You study hard for an exam and your friend (or enemy) studies the day of the exam and either mirrors your success or surpasses it.  It is frustrating to anyone. 

[Krispy Kreme]

I try to keep my topics......"good"

not sure if this qualifies, but here is what i think happened:

i think velvet revolver really affected axl. i think their success bothered him, and threw him off-track. if everything in the world was right, axl would have release this album already. but i really think VR threw a monkey wrench into Axl's thought process, so things were wrong and thats why the delays.

does VR still bother him? tough answer, but i totally believe VR put some speed bumps in Axl's road. we might never see this album, b/c quite frankly, axl is too self-conscious.

There are two hypotheses: (1) some event, unknown to the fans, happened; or (2) no one in the GNR camp knows what he is doing.

My opinion is that something happened, although since we never get any hard news from GNR management who really knows ?what ?it was. I don't think it was the rise of VR or the release of Contraband, because those events occurred too late in the timeline. The question is not why was CD not released in 2005, but rather, why was it not released in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, or early 2004, before VR made it big. I have no idea what the "event" (or "events") was/were, or maybe Axl is just plain lazy

On the other hand, there is evidence for hypothesis 2 as well. We know that CD was musically finished in 1999, according to a news posting on this site a few days ago. From that point, we know that there was an (aborted) ?attempt at a comeback tour in 2002, which was intended to put GNR back in the spotlight and headlines. Therre were promises of a summer 2003 release and being on the road for a long time. Then, nothing. The band dropped off the face of the earth for 3 ?years, with only a brief letter to the media in the interim indicating that Buckethead ?had left the band. That chronology of events makes no sense--I mean, who would do that?

Bottom line: who really knows ?what goes in GNR land?

[WARose]

well? i don`t think that VR bothered axl in any way. (i`m not talking about lawsuits now....)

at most, contraband stimulated axl to make it better. i mean velvet revolver weren`t that succesful. the music wasn`t great (imo) and it didn`t sell that good. it might did better in the USA than it did here in germany, but if i wouldn`t have been interested in slash, duff and matt i probably wouldn`t even have noticed them.

[Litti10]

I think that VR didnt affect on Axl in anyway that it would effect on CD in anyway. they are not in high school anymore he can deal with it if theres anything to deal with!

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Axl has never criticized the talent of his former band members.  The musical differences they had were not due to anyone's doubting anyone's talents - it was about a difference of musical direction.  Slash/Duff direction, as it turns out was/is VR.  We have, based on what we have thus far heard/seen of the new GN'R, only an indication of what Axl's is.

[mikegiuliana]

i think vr helped bring out gnr more.. They did interviews all over the globe and the name ex gnr members and radio tv interviews with mentiones of gnr in some way were said.. So in all this definetly helped the gnr name.. it was more mainstream that it has been in a few years..

i think the album isn't out because it isn't.

[Carlos_f_Rose]

i think vr helped bring out gnr more.. They did interviews all over the globe and the name ex gnr members and radio tv interviews with mentiones of gnr in some way were said.. So in all this definetly helped the gnr name.. it was more mainstream that it has been in a few years..

i think the album isn't out because it isn't.

mmm I absolutely agree when you say, Vr helped brining Gnr name again... and that is certainly because, SLASH, is gnr boys...  now... That has obviously nothing to do with this topic...

[rainX]

i think vr helped bring out gnr more.. They did interviews all over the globe and the name ex gnr members and radio tv interviews with mentiones of gnr in some way were said.. So in all this definetly helped the gnr name.. it was more mainstream that it has been in a few years..

i think the album isn't out because it isn't.

mmm I absolutely agree when you say, Vr helped brining Gnr name again... and that is certainly because, SLASH, is gnr boys...? now... That has obviously nothing to do with this topic...

VR is not helping bring GNR name again. If anything, it's defacing it with that wannabe rock singer.

but back to the topic:
I think the best statement made in this entire thread is that "I think the album isn't out because it isn't"

We might find out all the answers some day, but for now........

[mikegiuliana]

i think vr helped bring out gnr more.. They did interviews all over the globe and the name ex gnr members and radio tv interviews with mentiones of gnr in some way were said.. So in all this definetly helped the gnr name.. it was more mainstream that it has been in a few years..

i think the album isn't out because it isn't.

mmm I absolutely agree when you say, Vr helped brining Gnr name again... and that is certainly because, SLASH, is gnr boys...? now... That has obviously nothing to do with this topic...

VR is not helping bring GNR name again. If anything, it's defacing it with that wannabe rock singer.

but back to the topic:
I think the best statement made in this entire thread is that "I think the album isn't out because it isn't"

We might find out all the answers some day, but for now........

because you don't like scott doesn't make him some wanna be rock singer.. The man had huge success doing his own thing with stp..

to say vr beuing around didn't help is crazy.. Vr did interviews from the usa to south america all over europe and the gnr name always came up..

That would be like saying lars n kirk did a huge tour and them beiong around didn't help the name metallica get heard more..