The cost of war

[SLCPUNK]

"Oh since every militarily imperialist and communist/socialist nation has fallen off the charts."

Like China and N Korea huh?

China owns our ass in case you don't know.

[pilferk]

Its is shocking how much has been spent - when people around the world are starving.

Forget around the world, the US has plenty of in house problems that this money could have been used for. The inner cities, education, roads, housing, etc.

It makes sense to me.

But you've read the other thread right? Poor people are lazy and....lazy! They deserve to starve.

That is such an unfair mischaracterization of the other thread.

Not really, no it isn't.

The first thing those guys did was change it around to make poor people look lazy. And base that as their argument, instead of addressing how we could help poor people.

No, the article was discussing the "poor" in America.? They were arguing that "poor" doesn't have the same meaning in the U.S. that it does other places.
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Again I am very well aware of what they were saying. But they were only saying it so they could open the door to finger pointing and "pull your bootstraps up" line of talk. No other reason.

 Good ideas and efficient systems always win out.?

Since when?

Well, I mean...just look at the Katrina response.

It was littered with good ideas and efficient systems, right?

 

[SLCPUNK]

Its is shocking how much has been spent - when people around the world are starving.

Forget around the world, the US has plenty of in house problems that this money could have been used for. The inner cities, education, roads, housing, etc.

It makes sense to me.

But you've read the other thread right? Poor people are lazy and....lazy! They deserve to starve.

That is such an unfair mischaracterization of the other thread.

Not really, no it isn't.

The first thing those guys did was change it around to make poor people look lazy. And base that as their argument, instead of addressing how we could help poor people.

No, the article was discussing the "poor" in America.  They were arguing that "poor" doesn't have the same meaning in the U.S. that it does other places.
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Again I am very well aware of what they were saying. But they were only saying it so they could open the door to finger pointing and "pull your bootstraps up" line of talk. No other reason.

 Good ideas and efficient systems always win out. 

Since when?

Well, I mean...just look at the Katrina response.

It was littered with good ideas and efficient systems, right?

 

whooops!

How quickly we forget.....

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Certainly Gringoland -- USA --  has spent a lot of money in the IRAQ WAR, that could have perfectly been used in other porpuses, but I will my friends say that the greatest cost they pay are the death of the soldiers, and even worse the death of Innocent Iraq civilians, that will certainly be in the minds, for the rest of some people's lives, but of course, there are some people that dont even care...  For those who support the dirty, filthy "War on terror, just watch, the documentary,  Farentheit 9/11 and after that, If you still support the war, I wont be able to call you humans...

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Certainly Gringoland -- USA --? has spent a lot of money in the IRAQ WAR, that could have perfectly been used in other porpuses, but I will my friends say that the greatest cost they pay are the death of the soldiers, and even worse the death of Innocent Iraq civilians, that will certainly be in the minds, for the rest of some people's lives, but of course, there are some people that dont even care...? For those who support the dirty, filthy "War on terror, just watch, the documentary,? Farentheit 9/11 and after that, If you still support the war, I wont be able to call you humans...

Farenheit 9/11 is a piece of shit. It is all taken out of context & manipulated to suit the vision of Michael Moore.

[SLCPUNK]

Certainly Gringoland -- USA --  has spent a lot of money in the IRAQ WAR, that could have perfectly been used in other porpuses, but I will my friends say that the greatest cost they pay are the death of the soldiers, and even worse the death of Innocent Iraq civilians, that will certainly be in the minds, for the rest of some people's lives, but of course, there are some people that dont even care...  For those who support the dirty, filthy "War on terror, just watch, the documentary,  Farentheit 9/11 and after that, If you still support the war, I wont be able to call you humans...

Farenheit 9/11 is a piece of shit. It is all taken out of context & manipulated to suit the vision of Michael Moore.

Moore has all the sources on his site which can not be disputed.

It was all common knowledge before the movie came out anyway. USA and Saddam were friends, same with Osama etc etc.

[POPmetal]

Fahrenheit 911 is full of lies
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

[Surfrider]

Fahrenheit 911 is full of lies
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

People who cite to that movie aren't even worth discussing this stuff with.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Its is shocking how much has been spent - when people around the world are starving.

Forget around the world, the US has plenty of in house problems that this money could have been used for. The inner cities, education, roads, housing, etc.

It makes sense to me.

But you've read the other thread right? Poor people are lazy and....lazy! They deserve to starve.

That is such an unfair mischaracterization of the other thread.

Not really, no it isn't.

The first thing those guys did was change it around to make poor people look lazy. And base that as their argument, instead of addressing how we could help poor people.

No, the article was discussing the "poor" in America.? They were arguing that "poor" doesn't have the same meaning in the U.S. that it does other places.
.

Again I am very well aware of what they were saying. But they were only saying it so they could open the door to finger pointing and "pull your bootstraps up" line of talk. No other reason.

 Good ideas and efficient systems always win out.?

Since when?

Well, I mean...just look at the Katrina response.

It was littered with good ideas and efficient systems, right?

 

Who ever said that was a free market response.  [/conspiracy on] I believe it was an attempt by dems and leftist to purposely neglect poor blacks so they could blame it all on Bush to further their agenda. [/consipracy off]  In all seriousness, that was the epitome of a bureaucratic fiasco and neglect from the local leaders clear to the top.  That was anything but free market, however all the donations and people helping are an example of the free market. Ooops, how quickly they leave out parts that destoy their ideas.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Fahrenheit 911 is full of lies
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

People who cite to that movie aren't even worth discussing this stuff with.

Exactly.  That movie is hardly a documentary becuase it distorts the facts to fit Moore's agenda which was to get Bush out of office - he failed.  Moore is a worthless piece of shit and a stain on humanity and America.  Anyone who touts that movie as truth or anything other than leftist propaganda are seriously ignorant and stupid.  Moore is a college droup out who weighs over 300 pounds and touts American excess and has made his living distorting reality for his extremist agenda.  SLC, why aren't you calling this ton of shit a hypocrite?

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Forget Farenheit 9/11, just recall the dead american soldiers, and the old people, young people, and babies from iraq, that certainly is beyong any lie....  1 is more than enough.... now how many have died?

[SLCPUNK]

Funny how none of them are addressing the original post. I mean...now we are talking about MM's 9-11.

Fahrenheit 911 is full of lies
http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

People who cite to that movie aren't even worth discussing this stuff with.

 SLC, why aren't you calling this ton of shit a hypocrite?

Both sides have people that show lies. Whadda you want?

MM's site shows his references, and sources to back up his movie. That is enough for me. And like I said, most of the stuff he said was well known for years to begin with.

I thought you were keeping your mouth shut? 

[SLCPUNK]

Forget Farenheit 9/11, just recall the dead american soldiers, and the old people, young people, and babies from iraq, that certainly is beyong any lie....  1 is more than enough.... now how many have died?

These people don't care about deaths. Iraqi civilians mean nothing to them, soldiers lives mean nothing to them. Arms and legs getting blown off mean nothing to them. 

It's not their loved ones and (even though it is) it is not their (direct) money.

Being right is the only thing that matters to them. Even if it means lying through their teeth to themselves and the rest of the world. They will lie to the end and could care less about the human loss and suffering that goes with it. As long as they can be right, that is all that matters.

[MCT]

To what end though?

[Guns N RockMusic]

I thought you were keeping your mouth shut??

Upset that I'm exposing some of your bullshit?  I said I was keeping quiet until I found out if I was on the "ban list" that many of you advocated for holding beliefs different than your own.  After I spoke to Jarmo, i realized I wasn't and am back to expose you and your agenda for the hald truths and distortions that they are.  You don't have a problem with that do you?  I know it's hard because your support base are the same people that can only get information from movies.

[MCT]

What is brown sugar?

[SLCPUNK]

I thought you were keeping your mouth shut? 

  After I spoke to Jarmo, i realized I wasn't and am back to expose you and your agenda for the hald truths and distortions that they are. 

haha, what agenda? I only state the facts:

No wmd

Iraq a mess

Bush polls at 28%

Rove getting looked into (Exposing a CIA agent is treason btw)

Charges against Delay have been brought

Billions of dollars in debt now.

Oil prices higher than ever, people hurt at the pump.

Economy on the edge.

Civil war in Iraq.

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So what agenda? All those above are happening. Are they not? What is your problem with that? Or just that I tell it like it is?

Am I anti war? Yes.

Do I care if two dudes get married? Nope.

Am I a racist, or sympathize with bigots? Nope.

Do I care if my president takes this country to war based on a lie (with my tax money)? Yes.

Do I have a problem with posters who lie about what I say, do , think post? Yes.

What else do you need to know? What agenda do you speak of? What lies am I trying to convince people of?

Go ahead. Wanna expose my lies? Start a thread about how I'm wrong about the war? I'd slice and dice you to bits. I asked the same thing of Charity Case and he ran away like with excuses proclaiming how "stupid" it was. Now he is still here (with name number 3?) bashing me everyday. He has the time to post right wing blogs (or whatever) without links, but not the time to debate me on the war with actual facts.

So wanna expose my lies about the war in Iraq? Take your best fuckin shot. 

[SLCPUNK]

What is brown sugar?

I'll tell you what it's not.....

[MCT]

Tel mee.

[Surfrider]

Forget Farenheit 9/11, just recall the dead american soldiers, and the old people, young people, and babies from iraq, that certainly is beyong any lie....? 1 is more than enough.... now how many have died?

These people don't care about deaths. Iraqi civilians mean nothing to them, soldiers lives mean nothing to them. Arms and legs getting blown off mean nothing to them.?

It's not their loved ones and (even though it is) it is not their (direct) money.

Being right is the only thing that matters to them. Even if it means lying through their teeth to themselves and the rest of the world. They will lie to the end and could care less about the human loss and suffering that goes with it. As long as they can be right, that is all that matters.

Now come on, saying this is no different than those that say by dissenting you are killing troops. ?This is no different than them calling you anti-american. ?How can say they don't care about civilians or soldiers lives.

I think both sides honestly think they are right. ?I think both sides honestly think that their point of view is best for our country and Iraq. ?Lets get out of the extreme insults. ?Saying that they don't care if soldiers die? ?Come on.