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« on: October 03, 2005, 09:58:26 PM »

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will end on google for all to see.

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'UnGoogleables' Hide From Search?
By Ann Harrison
Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68998,00.html

02:00 AM Oct. 03, 2005 PT

Geri Agalia doesn't appear to leave less of a data trail than most Americans. She has a phone in her name, a bank account, utility bills, a mortgage and a credit card. But the stay-at-home mom and part-time student is among a select and ever-shrinking group of the digitally privileged -- her name does not appear on Google.

"I just value my privacy," says Agalia, who lives in San Diego. "And I think that the government and corporations already know too much about people for the benefit of marketing."


As the internet makes greater inroads into everyday life, more people are finding they're leaving an accidental trail of digital bread crumbs on the web -- where Google's merciless crawlers vacuum them up and regurgitate them for anyone who cares to type in a name. Our growing Googleability has already changed the face of dating and hiring, and has become a real concern to spousal-abuse victims and others with life-and-death privacy needs.

Even those in the know can find their Google search results jarring: When, last July, a CNET News.com journalist reported information on Google CEO Eric Schmidt's personal and financial life gleaned from search results, Google issued a retaliatory ban on employees talking to the publication, which was only lifted last week.

But despite Google's inarguable power to dredge up information, some people have succeeded -- either by luck, conscious effort or both -- in avoiding the search engine's all-seeing eye.

These unGoogleables don't post online, blog, publish or build web pages using their own names. They're careful about revealing information to businesses, belong to few organizations that can leak personal data, and never submit online r?sum?s -- all common ways that Google captures your data. They spoke to Wired News only on condition that their names be changed for this story.

Agalia says she visits online poker sites, but always enters false data not tied to her true identity. She limits online purchases and favors websites vetted by Truste and other privacy-monitoring groups. Presented with a sweepstakes offer at Legoland, Agalia said she backed out when she was required to submit personal information.

"I try to protect myself from identity theft," says Agalia, who says a would-be thief tried to use her credit card number a few months ago but got the expiration date wrong. "I shred bills, I don't give out information and I don't talk to telemarketers."

Philadelphia real estate investor Victor Lindt says he's surprised his name doesn't show up on Google, especially since he once owned a well-known pastry shop that was covered by the local and national press.

"I think I just got lucky and fell through the cracks," says Lindt. "I have a phone and utility bills in my name, five credit cards and I get junk mail all the time.... The one thing I would say is that I do not belong to any organization, no alumni associations, no clubs, nothing like that. And I don't attend any meetings."

Lindt's aversion to group activities may be the key to his absence from Google. Privacy activists note that many schools, civic groups and clubs publish attendance lists or minutes that end up on the web. Unthinking employers post their workers' names in online newsletters with no prior warning.

"Even if you are very careful, if someone else has that information and they post it, there is not much you can do but contact them and ask them to delete it," says Deborah Pierce, executive director of Privacy Activism.

Agalia discovered that even her own family could be a Google information leak. A distant relative posted Agalia's name on a genealogy website, along with the names of her husband and son. When Agalia's husband was deployed in the first Navy battle group to send Tomahawk missiles into Iraq, she said he was told by his commanders to keep a low profile in case he or his family were targeted by terrorists. Agalia's relative agreed to take their names off the site and she accomplished the rare feat of having her name vanish from Google listings.

Cindy Southworth, technology director for the Washington, D.C.-based National Network to End Domestic Violence, trains survivors of domestic violence on how to conceal themselves from their abusers -- and how to stay off Google. She says victims of domestic violence often use pseudonyms for public activities, which is legal as long as you're not doing it for criminal purposes.

"You can use an alias for personal business and your employers can still have your real name on the paycheck, but it's not the name you give out to the PTA," says Southworth.

Community activist George Rios says staying off Google helps protect his security. Rios cooks for Food Not Bombs, rides in Critical Mass and has been arrested many times for civil disobedience. To help keep authorities away from his political actions and his front door, Rios lives his life almost entirely off the information grid. He has no bank account, no phone, no credit cards. His roommates' names are on his utility bills.

Rios, who lives in Northern California, says that none of these choices restrict his life because he prizes offline, face-to-face contact with his neighbors and fellow activists. "I keep a low profile here as a defense mechanism or as a reflex," says Rios. "But if you've been doing it for a while it becomes second nature."

According to Pam Dixon, executive director of the World Privacy Forum, Rios is leading an almost ideal life for eluding Google, except for one thing: He votes. "Registering to vote is one of the worst things that you can do for eventually winding up on Google and for all the databases that lands you in," says Dixon.

Robert Cleaver also votes, but because he's homeless, he has a better chance than most of dodging Google. Cleaver lives in his van in San Francisco, does not use computers and pays no utility bills except for his cell phone. But he belongs to both his high school and college alumni associations, has a drug store account, a post office box and two maxed-out credit cards.

"People who don't have an address are not regular people, they kind of fly under the wings of disguise by nature," says Cleaver, who was told by voting officials that he must re-register with a residential address. "We're skipped over, we're not even counted on the election files."

Just because you're not on Google doesn't mean that your name doesn't appear on some other search engine or website. Any mention in the public records, including bankruptcy and court cases, can land you on Google. Beth Givens, director of the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, notes that if someone is willing to pay $25 to an information broker, chances are good they can turn up information on you.

"If you don't want to be found on Google, don't use your given name if you participate in chat or newsgroups, and for all of your e-mail addresses, don't use any part of your true name," advises Givens. "And for heaven sakes, have an unlisted phone number. Basic tip No. 1 to keep off Google is don't be listed in the White Pages."



I googled my name and I was shocked at some of the things that came up. Even something I wrote for grammar school assignment in 1994 with personal information had somehow landed on some web site.? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked? ?nervous nervous How are people supposed to protect themselves against this insanity?!


God, I hate search engines right now!  Angry Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 10:05:45 PM »

Its never even crossed my mind to search for my own name.  Of course I'm going to do it now, but I'll be shocked if anything comes up.  I'm a very very private person.  But I work with government agencies, so who knows.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 10:12:57 PM »

Its never even crossed my mind to search for my own name.? Of course I'm going to do it now, but I'll be shocked if anything comes up.? I'm a very very private person.? But I work with government agencies, so who knows.

I'm usually really private myself. The thing that bothers me is that somebody put up something I wrote in 94 before I even knew what the internet was, without asking for any permission.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 11:57:08 PM »

Thast creepy - But thankfully, In Aus, I havent ever heard of it happening?  It only happens for good reasons!!  Like I won a competition in Brisbane - so im there for that.... yes
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 01:19:11 AM »

Oh damn.. to protect national security, I now have to kill everyone that did a search on my name  nervous
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 09:34:04 AM »

If it's on the net, it's public property and searchable (unless the content is protected, of course). No point blaming Google.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 09:38:00 AM »

I used to search for my nickname mr. dick purple on google and it ended up posting my email, I email google to put another search without my name and voila no more email  ok
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 10:23:25 AM »

I've found my name too in Google search, but the guy was actually a namesake.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 11:30:16 AM »

I'm only there as a contact person for my company, which is fine with me.  Nothing personal.  In fact, I searched for a bunch of people I know, and almost none of them came up at all.  Only my sister in law, who has done some media interviews in connection with her job.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 01:03:41 PM »

in france, our details are protected.

I can see photos of me on google photo search, but they are public domain, so nothing new.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2005, 02:23:33 PM »

If it's on the net, it's public property and searchable (unless the content is protected, of course). No point blaming Google.

so you think that any revealed credit card details on the web are deemed public property?... you are crazy...

the search engines have far too much power...
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2005, 03:20:53 PM »

im 100% unGoogleable
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2005, 03:31:13 PM »

If it's on the net, it's public property and searchable (unless the content is protected, of course). No point blaming Google.

so you think that any revealed credit card details on the web are deemed public property?... you are crazy...

the search engines have far too much power...

I did not mean that everybody is entitled to everything on the net. What I meant was if it's on the net, it is accessible by anybody and the search engine just displays what it finds.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2005, 03:52:16 PM »

If it's on the net, it's public property and searchable (unless the content is protected, of course). No point blaming Google.

so you think that any revealed credit card details on the web are deemed public property?... you are crazy...

the search engines have far too much power...

I did not mean that everybody is entitled to everything on the net. What I meant was if it's on the net, it is accessible by anybody and the search engine just displays what it finds.

oh right...excellent...my humble apologies...absolutely...much of the time its down to responsibility for your own information...

...and if you ask google to remove any personal material then they would probably delete it but theyll take about 2 months to answer you back
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2005, 05:11:29 PM »

You should also google your social security number. If it comes up, you might want to pay attention.
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