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« on: October 02, 2005, 04:12:32 AM »

In the survey of people in 23 countries across the globe, a majority or plurality in 20 described France as exerting a positive influence on world affairs. The US, by comparison, is seen as having a negative impact by majorities in 15 countries.

"France is seen as a countervoice to the US," says Steven Kull, director of PIPA. "It becomes a rallying point for all those who don't want to follow America's lead."

Certainly, Paris appeals in part precisely because it is not Washington. But it goes beyond that. From the streets of Shanghai to Berlin, Monitor interviews found that the French flair for the finer things in life has a special cachet.

French movies are admired worldwide for their subtlety and depth; French fashion houses dress the rich and powerful worldwide; and the lure of French art and cuisine fascinated foreigners long before Paris stood up to Washington politically.

"We [Germans] look on with wonder at France's cultural influence in the world," says Henrik Utterwede, deputy director of the German-French Institute in Ludwigsburg. "And we are a bit jealous of it, as well."

On top of that, says former French foreign minister Hubert Vedrine, France is so admired because "many people think France is a country that tries to correct the imbalances of today's world, such as the excessive power of the United States."

Or, put another way, "The French willingness to stand up and be a rooster, to take a stand and get up someone's nose, is a big strength," says Doug Miller, head of GlobeScan, the international polling firm that carried out the survey with the University of Maryland's PIPA.

France's global popularity - except in America, the only country where a majority of respondents called French influence negative - "is really a question of image," cautions Alain Frachon, editor of "Le Monde 2," a weekly magazine. "France does not weigh very heavily in international affairs," he argues, "and it does not set a very great example" as a major arms exporter, a not especially generous donor to developing nations, and a defender of outmoded economic policies.

Most people, however, "do not follow foreign policy very closely, and these things come down to a few images and symbols," points out Mr. Vedrine.

The most symbolic recent moment came in the buildup to the Iraq war, which France vehemently and vocally opposed. "The very, very strong position that France took on the side of global public opinion explains the figures" in the poll, says Mr. Miller.

"France was speaking for the world; [French president Jacques] Chirac stood up and that's what leadership is," Miller adds.

The symbolism had practical effects, suggests Mr. Utterwede. For years, Germany resisted French efforts to enlist it as a counterweight to Washington. But some of France's fierce individuality has rubbed off on Berlin, says Utterwede. "There is this idea of friendship [with Washington], yes; obedience, no. There is a sense of emancipation in German foreign policy that can almost be considered 'Francophonization.' "

France's stand had effects on the other side of the Atlantic, too, where Americans expressed their anger or their disappointment by ordering "Freedom Fries." It became cool to dislike the French (52 percent of Americans believe French international influence is negative), especially because many felt the French owed America gratitude for liberating them from the Nazis and then defending them against the Soviets.

"France has become popular merely by defining itself in opposition to the United States under the Bush administration," critiques Jacquelyn K. Davis, executive vice president of the Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis in Washington. "The French are attempting to jealously guard their remaining power and influence by criticizing and tearing down US policies."

Not that such perceived disloyalty is new. "France has been cultivating its discordant voice since [former French president Charles] de Gaulle argued that we did not have to line up behind one or other of the superpowers," recalls Mr. Frachon.

As the first Western nation to recognize Communist China, France won a special place in Chinese hearts (72 percent of Chinese respondents saw French influence as positive).

Beijing also warms to French policies, such as its failed crusade earlier this year to end a 16-year-old EU ban on arms sales to China, and its support for China's push to unify with Taiwan.

For ordinary Chinese, however, the Parisian pull appears to be more cultural. "Well-educated people in Beijing like French films more than American films now," says Wang Qing, a specialist in French cultural exchanges for the Chinese People's Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries. "In French films we can see something more sophisticated."

Asked why the Chinese liked France, Wang Li, a woman in Shanghai, replied simply, "The French have money and good culture."

That impression has no doubt been boosted by the "French Culture Year" that recently featured more than 300 art, dance, and musical events around China. But that's small potatoes compared to the 60 years of French efforts to promote their relationship with neighboring Germany after fighting three wars in 70 years.

Those efforts have paid off. The hundreds of thousands of community, school, business, and cultural partnerships that have sprung up on both sides of the Rhine since the end of World War II have helped convince 77 percent of Germans that France plays a positive role in the world, according to the PIPA study.

German respect for French culture is deep. "They have a special feeling for design and art that makes them highly influential in the world," says Anete Bajrami, a newly qualified architect.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0930/p01s04-woeu.html
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 04:25:44 AM »

Very interesting but I guess it won't last long if words aren't not followed by acts ... I'm thinking about changes at the UN level ...

And about french films .... come on it really depends on the films ... We do like the idea that we have our cinema but we also have to acknoledge that french films tends to be actually very boring when not directed by Besson or Jeunet...  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 06:24:08 AM »

we also have to acknoledge that french films tends to be actually very boring when not directed by Besson or Jeunet...  Roll Eyes Grin
because people are stupid
besson and jeunet ? are you kidding me ? they're the worst.

French films were good in the 60's. Grin
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2005, 06:29:25 AM »

French films are a fuckin shame. I don't think Rain is talkin about 60's movies, Bessam. She's probably talking about all the shit that's been in theaters since the 80's. Fuckin crap like L'Anniversaire, Mauvaise Passe, Peindre ou Faire L'Amour, etc. Jeunet rules! Grin

Anyway, talkin about the thread...on HTGTH, I'm pretty sure France's role is not audience favorite...lol
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2005, 06:35:51 AM »

French films are a fuckin shame. I don't think Rain is talkin about 60's movies, Bessam. She's probably talking about all the shit that's been in theaters since the 80's. Fuckin crap like L'Anniversaire, Mauvaise Passe, Peindre ou Faire L'Amour, etc. Jeunet rules! Grin

Anyway, talkin about the thread...on HTGTH, I'm pretty sure France's role is not audience favorite...lol

Of course I wasn't talking about the "nouvelle vague" ... Peindre ou faire l'amour, my mother quite fell asleep last week !  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2005, 06:59:49 AM »

For the record, I did not vote in that India poll.  Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2005, 07:25:52 AM »

I love the way the Americans pronouce some french actor's name....like..."Gerard Depardiou" hihi
BTW, Pierre Richard is one of the most funny french actor ever. You just see him, and without doing nothing, you laugh. he is the french Leslie Nielsen for me. he is "Mr Catastroph" but in a funny and sympathic way. I admire those kind of actors.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2005, 08:05:01 AM »

I love the way the Americans pronouce some french actor's name....like..."Gerard Depardiou" hihi
BTW, Pierre Richard is one of the most funny french actor ever. You just see him, and without doing nothing, you laugh. he is the french Leslie Nielsen for me. he is "Mr Catastroph" but in a funny and sympathic way. I admire those kind of actors.

come on, we all know you looove dieudon? Wink
- man i know he is out of bounds sometimes, but HE is a genius comdian, people focused on his "d?rapage" but if they watched one of his show - le divorce de patrick - they'll die laughing -

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2005, 09:11:47 AM »

I love the way the Americans pronouce some french actor's name....like..."Gerard Depardiou" hihi
BTW, Pierre Richard is one of the most funny french actor ever. You just see him, and without doing nothing, you laugh. he is the french Leslie Nielsen for me. he is "Mr Catastroph" but in a funny and sympathic way. I admire those kind of actors.

come on, we all know you looove dieudon? Wink
- man i know he is out of bounds sometimes, but HE is a genius comdian, people focused on his "d?rapage" but if they watched one of his show - le divorce de patrick - they'll die laughing -

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Dieudonne deserves a bullet in his head. he is a fucking racist and If I were Sarkozy I would put him in a charter and send him is Kaboul or Gaza, Dieudonne seems to admire the islamists, the man said he supported Ben-laden and you try to give him credits on this board? let's send him in places he would feel good with his friend the fucking communist mega-beauf jose bov?. This face of France is a shame. This is the racist France here. That's not the France everybody loves. This face is a reminiscence of petain mix with a modern islamism and anti-mondialism touch. Bessam, you're probably a nice guy, but there are things that don't make me laugh, especially racism and antisemitism...capichi?
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2005, 09:28:33 AM »

France...is that in Paris?
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2005, 09:30:41 AM »

Right between Houston and Dallas.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2005, 09:46:43 AM »

We can always count on SLCPUNK for starting threads putting down America.

Who gives a shit about a popularity contest?
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2005, 12:01:50 PM »

We can always count on SLCPUNK for starting threads putting down America.

Who gives a shit about a popularity contest?

Exactly! and What the hell has France done in the past 100 years that benefited the world?  Create the treaty of Versailles that created the environment for Nazi Germany?  Leave Vietnam to create the fiasco that America ended up dealing with.  I don't see how they can consider a country that does absolutely nothing but look down at the rest of the world and other cultures as a leader.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2005, 12:21:07 PM »

We can always count on SLCPUNK for starting threads putting down America.

Who gives a shit about a popularity contest?

Exactly! and What the hell has France done in the past 100 years that benefited the world?  Create the treaty of Versailles that created the environment for Nazi Germany?  Leave Vietnam to create the fiasco that America ended up dealing with.  I don't see how they can consider a country that does absolutely nothing but look down at the rest of the world and other cultures as a leader.

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some people start on very quick Smiley
so you don't give shit about popularity contests and you go off like a match ? Smiley

come on
americans are fat, have no style, consume like sheep and praise Super Companies that rule the world.
you fear communism but dont see that your system profits to ONE single company. that's another form of communism.
everybody eats at mcdonals, everybody wears aber crombie and ftich (that reminds me, i gotta buy some) and everybody watch spielberg Smiley
you buy our classy brands and wear them the wrong way
you use a french word every single phrase but don't even know what it means
ahahah :=)


Ps: the last lines were a joke Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2005, 12:31:05 PM »

France...is that in Paris?

It is in Mississippi.....
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2005, 12:49:23 PM »

We can always count on SLCPUNK for starting threads putting down America.

Who gives a shit about a popularity contest?

Exactly! and What the hell has France done in the past 100 years that benefited the world?? Create the treaty of Versailles that created the environment for Nazi Germany?? Leave Vietnam to create the fiasco that America ended up dealing with.? I don't see how they can consider a country that does absolutely nothing but look down at the rest of the world and other cultures as a leader.

ahahah
some people start on very quick Smiley
so you don't give shit about popularity contests and you go off like a match ? Smiley

come on
americans are fat, have no style, consume like sheep and praise Super Companies that rule the world.
you fear communism but dont see that your system profits to ONE single company. that's another form of communism.
everybody eats at mcdonals, everybody wears aber crombie and ftich (that reminds me, i gotta buy some) and everybody watch spielberg Smiley
you buy our classy brands and wear them the wrong way
you use a french word every single phrase but don't even know what it means
ahahah :=)


Ps: the last lines were a joke Smiley

My point was what has France done to merit it's respected position as a world leader?  Everyone can point out the many mistakes America has made, but what can you expect when you live in a fish bowl.  America is the greatest country in the world both economically and militarily.  It doesn't suprise me that many nations resent the fact that America is on top.  I don't hate France, but what ACTIONS has France taken to merit the results from this poll?

P.S. because you end comments are a "joke" I won't reply to how incorrect they are.  Although if I had a choice between being known for eating McDonalds or using my city as a public urinal I'd choose McDonalds --- Just Joking  hihi
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My point was what has France done to merit it's respected position as a world leader?  Everyone can po...

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2005, 01:49:41 PM »

yeah fights between countries are stupid. it's not because you're american that you represent the power of your country.

just like being brazilian does not make you good at soccer.

(and to finish the jokes stuff, the joke about french are fake and based on old rivalry - smelly, public urinal ... - while the *jokes* about americans have a lot of truth. you're society is rotten, it's not my fault - all the great american artists and comedian are great because they point that out Smiley )
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2005, 03:09:56 PM »

Two words: French Revolution

Another Two Words: Napoleon Bonaparte
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