NEW RUMOR

[WARose]

This rumor is bullshit. Interscope and Sanctuary would not be making plans for the 2nd CD while still trying to get the first CD out. The rumor was almost believeable until he mentioned the 2nd CD.

You have heard of a long term plan right? Axl has been talking about the 3 album thing since 2001. If this rumor is true plus what dizzy said then it makes it even more true.

So again, I ask you believers this. Just because the rumor mentions something Axl and Dizzy has mentioned, it must be true?


Here's a rumor: There's gonna be a song about child abuse on the album. I heard it from a secret source.

Oh wait, it was mentioned in an Axl article in 2001.

Maybe I'm too pessimistic, I just don't get this "rumor". To me it looks like a bunch of old news/rumors put together to make a new one. Add some speculation to it as well as "Axl might change his mind" and there you have it. A new rumor.


/jarmo

If people dont want to hear rumors or what not then dont open this threads. Its that simple. IF this all comes true no one is going to apoligize to dark for calling him names if he turns out to be correct. He heard a rumor from someone that works at interscope, that is why its called a RUMOR.? ?Its something to talk about. I just find it funny if Mysteron gave his same rumor people would be praising him.

I think nobody should apologize to him, even if this rumour comes true. as i said before, at some point one of these rumours will be coming true and that doesn`t mean that the rumour wasn?t made up by someone. it`s just if this album is ever to come out, one rumor will be true.

by the way no one here should attack dark for writing what he heard from other people and he didn`t even write it here, because he knew exactely that HTGTH isn`t very open for rumours and posters get slagged.  and exactely this happened...

well....   this rumour is either true or not

[Christos AG]

All I see here is a NEW RUMOR, as the title states.

And as Jarmo stated, if it remains a rumor, then Axl will get the blame once again...

[WARose]

Bottom line. If Darkman was a key player in getting the IRS demo to us...then the only thing that should be coming out of your stupid fucking mouths is "thank you."

Shit where was the thread thanking Darkman for IRS? That was the coolest thing we got from GNR since 2002. Man, there is some disrespectful motherfuckers in here.?

Its obvious reading through some of these posts, that some of you need your asses kicked proper like.

if he was he definitely deserves our thanks, but i never heard that he was actually the one....

[jarmo]

I don't have a problem with you believing in it.

I'm just explaning why I don't buy it and the reason for that.

I don't like most rumors that get people's hopes up. Just like the Atlanta gig rumor, some people really wanted to believe it and were a bit let down when it didn't happen.

I guess some are just desperate for news and anything positive is good enough for them.


In this case it seems like the only reason for these rumors are to make the source seem more legit. After all, the rumors are based on things we already kinda knew about.




/jarmo

[pilferk]

Bottom line. If Darkman was a key player in getting the IRS demo to us...then the only thing that should be coming out of your stupid fucking mouths is "thank you."

Shit where was the thread thanking Darkman for IRS? That was the coolest thing we got from GNR since 2002. Man, there is some disrespectful motherfuckers in here.?

Its obvious reading through some of these posts, that some of you need your asses kicked proper like.

if he was he definitely deserves our thanks, but i never heard that he was actually the one....

dark was, in fact, the person posting, under different names, the IRS files over at mygnr.  I know because I was IM'ing him while the whole thing was happening.  I WAS NOT, as has been speculated by certain unnamed people who spilled the beans to Sanctuary, his accomplice in it, though.

dark is NOT the original source of the material.  He WAS the "distributor".  If you got it, chances are you got it, directly or indirectly, because of dark.

[younggunner]

Dave, you think there is some long term plan in concern to a CD trilogy? You think Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album? Highly unlikely. When it comes to GNR, the only thing they are concerned about is Chinese Democracy. At this moment in time, they dont care about a 2nd CD, and they really dont give a shit about completing some mythical trilogy. Even if Axl went to Interscope yesterday and promised them a trilogy, they wouldn't be concentrating on anything that could happen after CD. Which proves the rumor to be bullshit. I'm not trying to insult the guy who brought this rumor out in the open. He was probably just given disinformation.

I know its hard for you but just stop and think for 1 second....

Isnt it possible and realistic...actually a fact...that the money that has been given to GNr has been used to make multiple albums? NOt just CD? Look at the whole situation and process and what is known....Multiple producers, different styles of Music means different types of albums. Do you think Axl has only been working on CD? Get a friggen clue dude

[Luigi]

I totaly agree with you younggunner 

[PeterCoffin]

I don't necessarily believe it myself, but Jesus Christ, some people are being total buttnuts. The man himself didn't even post it here. Find something better to do with your time, assholes.

[ppbebe]

In this case it seems like the only reason for these rumors are to make the source seem more legit. After all, the rumors are based on things we already kinda knew about.

For that,
I don't see much difference between this one and some news flashes on a certain rumour board.

No offence to both parties. Doubting about the rumour doesn't necessarily mean distrust of the messenger.

Likewise, there's big difference between believing someone and believing in him.

Regardless, I'm not pessimistic or negative about CD at all. Quite the opposite.
My sophistry of the 8 is still fresh. 
That is, when you're about to run a chance, You better be convinced of your luck.

[AxlGunner]

All I see here is a NEW RUMOR, as the title states.

And as Jarmo stated, if it remains a rumor, then Axl will get the blame once again...

people will blame axl when a 'rumor' doesn't come true? or will they blame the guy who posted the rumor?

nobody blames axl for 'cancelling' that atlanta gig. we all realize that it was all bullshit by the club. and nobody was hurt when they found out that axl wasnt recording a duet with dolly parton.

some people need to put things in perspective and not get so paranoid about always worrying about the lowest common denominator.

99% of us here have enough intelligence to know that this should be taken with a grain of salt and not as the holy bible (dark even made it a point to say that!), so what is the 'bad thing' that will happen by posting it?

isn't there enough that has been said by axl himself and the other band members (in the past and ongoing) that has ALREADY caused people to be dissappointed and blame axl? like when axl cancelled their latest rio performance? or when tommy and dizzy keep saying the album will be released soon, then pushing it back constantly? isn't the dissappointment and blame justifiable regardless of whatever other rumors may be around? wouldnt people feel the same EVEN IF THERE WERE NO RUMORS ABOUT AN ALBUM??


some people here are too sensitive...

[Buddha_Master]

Bottom line. If Darkman was a key player in getting the IRS demo to us...then the only thing that should be coming out of your stupid fucking mouths is "thank you."

Shit where was the thread thanking Darkman for IRS? That was the coolest thing we got from GNR since 2002. Man, there is some disrespectful motherfuckers in here.?

Its obvious reading through some of these posts, that some of you need your asses kicked proper like.

if he was he definitely deserves our thanks, but i never heard that he was actually the one....

dark was, in fact, the person posting, under different names, the IRS files over at mygnr.? I know because I was IM'ing him while the whole thing was happening.? I WAS NOT, as has been speculated by certain unnamed people who spilled the beans to Sanctuary, his accomplice in it, though.

dark is NOT the original source of the material.? He WAS the "distributor".? If you got it, chances are you got it, directly or indirectly, because of dark.

Cool Pilferk. Thank you for clarifying. That is good enough for me. Dark will always be cool in my book because of this. I don't see how any fan could think otherwise.

If dark posted this tidbit, it has to be respected whether it comes to fruitation or not. I think Dark has more then earned that right. Show a little respect for someone who obviously went beyond what was neccesary to hook us up. What the fuck have any of you disrectful sht talkers

[jameslofton29]

Younggunner, before telling me to "get a friggin clue", maybe you should take your own advice. I never said anything about Axl spending all these years working on one album. How much material he's been working on had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey. You're just like that dude Madagas. You're so quick to insult someone, you dont bother to comprehend what the person was saying.

[ppbebe]

Younggunner, before telling me to "get a friggin clue".......You're just like that dude Madagas.

You make a Good point, James! 
Can't you really think of any reason why so often you get good lectures from so many other board members?

[younggunner]

Younggunner, before telling me to "get a friggin clue", maybe you should take your own advice. I never said anything about Axl spending all these years working on one album. How much material he's been working on had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey. You're just like that dude Madagas. You're so quick to insult someone, you dont bother to comprehend what the person was saying.

You said...

You think Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album?

And the answer to that is yes, Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album. 13 million or whatever it is has been given to GNr. With that 13 million that the company INVESTED in the band, the band has been working on multiple albums. Therefore they are concerned about the followups and the overall GNR "plan". If they werent they would have given GNR less money to just work on 1 album and then take it from there.

Of course the main focus of the band and company is getting CD out first. We all know that. But to say that all the company cares about is CD is dumb.

[chineseblues]

Hey all you whining negative people! Whats with all the bitching and moaning at Darkemus? At least the dude is positive and how the fuck does anyone know that he does not have some sort of inside knowledge? Yeh if he turns out to be a fraud then yeh its fucked up, until then lets not judge eh? But for me a lot of Darkemus's posts definetely makes a hell of a lot better reading than the whinging pricks who try and turn every post or rumour into something sinister or negative! Come on people we are so very very close to getting this album, lets just enjoy this barrage of news and rumours and wait for the day that we all want!!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=11144.msg192551#msg192551

Sounds like a real positive kind of guy.

How novel.  A debate of darks credibility.

I'm not gonna point out that dark HAS actually been right in the past.  Nor will I point out that he was the point man (if not the direct source) of the IRS leak.  Nor will I point out that he's a stand up guy who's only relaying stuff he's heard from other people and that darks main flaw (if he has one) is that he can be TOO trusting and loyal a friend who has, in the past, believed the wrong people and relayed their information.  Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people (not including D of course ...he changes his MUCH less frequently ) change their underwear and that ANY information, reliable or not, has about as much chance of turning out to be true, tomorrow, as Axl does of launching CD via the internet independantly at the same time.

I'm not gonna point any of that stuff out (wait...or did I just??) because it's all been done before.  This particular topic has been done ad nauseum, all across this forum (and, in fact, I think it's why dark tends to post here less than he used to...it must be tiresome).  In fact...it should have it's own damn thread in the "Dead Horse" section.

Believe him or don't.  But, at this point, let's NOT relive this discussion EVERY TIME the guy posts something, eh?

Actually dark had absolutely nothing to do with the original clips of IRS leaking. He got lucky and was sent the full version after the clips were allready out there. You can bank on that. 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Dave, you think there is some long term plan in concern to a CD trilogy? You think Interscope and Sanctuary are spending money and time on a 2nd and 3rd album? Highly unlikely. When it comes to GNR, the only thing they are concerned about is Chinese Democracy. At this moment in time, they dont care about a 2nd CD, and they really dont give a shit about completing some mythical trilogy. Even if Axl went to Interscope yesterday and promised them a trilogy, they wouldn't be concentrating on anything that could happen after CD. Which proves the rumor to be bullshit. I'm not trying to insult the guy who brought this rumor out in the open. He was probably just given disinformation.

The plan has always been the 2 or 3 album plan. How many different sources have to say this? Axl said it back during the tour, Dizzy confirmed it a few months ago, and now if this word from interscope is true, then its yet another. So how many times do you have to hear this?? And YES interscope are spending money on all three albums. You really think it cost 15m for just CD? Get real? If axl said i need 15m and will give you two or three albums over the next 3 years? you really dont think they are going to take that? Use your brain. THe more albums gnr put out the more money interscope makes. Is that so hard to understand? I just find it funny you know what axl and interscope are thinking when Axl, Dizzy and like I said if this rumor is true interscope have all said there is a long term plan with two or three albums being released over the next 18 or so months. So who is lying? Axl? Dizzy? Interscope? You need to get a clue since all the signs point to the 2 or 3 album deal being the plan still.

[AxlGunner]

Hey all you whining negative people! Whats with all the bitching and moaning at Darkemus? At least the dude is positive and how the fuck does anyone know that he does not have some sort of inside knowledge? Yeh if he turns out to be a fraud then yeh its fucked up, until then lets not judge eh? But for me a lot of Darkemus's posts definetely makes a hell of a lot better reading than the whinging pricks who try and turn every post or rumour into something sinister or negative! Come on people we are so very very close to getting this album, lets just enjoy this barrage of news and rumours and wait for the day that we all want!!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=11144.msg192551#msg192551

Sounds like a real positive kind of guy.

How novel.? A debate of darks credibility.

I'm not gonna point out that dark HAS actually been right in the past.? Nor will I point out that he was the point man (if not the direct source) of the IRS leak.? Nor will I point out that he's a stand up guy who's only relaying stuff he's heard from other people and that darks main flaw (if he has one) is that he can be TOO trusting and loyal a friend who has, in the past, believed the wrong people and relayed their information.? Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people (not including D of course ...he changes his MUCH less frequently ) change their underwear and that ANY information, reliable or not, has about as much chance of turning out to be true, tomorrow, as Axl does of launching CD via the internet independantly at the same time.

I'm not gonna point any of that stuff out (wait...or did I just??) because it's all been done before.? This particular topic has been done ad nauseum, all across this forum (and, in fact, I think it's why dark tends to post here less than he used to...it must be tiresome).? In fact...it should have it's own damn thread in the "Dead Horse" section.

Believe him or don't.? But, at this point, let's NOT relive this discussion EVERY TIME the guy posts something, eh?

Actually dark had absolutely nothing to do with the original clips of IRS leaking. He got lucky and was sent the full version after the clips were allready out there. You can bank on that.?

as far as i'm aware, dark received the full song after there had been only one or two leaks, with very little revealed. after that, dark and i were the ones who posted more of the song (first as teaser clips), then the whole song. remember the whole biff tannen/doc brown thing on mygnr? yea, that was us. that's how the clip eventually got out there. of course, a few people obviously had it before dark, but they were probably the kind of people who keep that stuff for themselves because they know it's so valuable (like the people who have las vegas recordings), so who knows if they ever intended to let the whole thing go. the point is, HE was the one who distributed the whole song to everyone. he never claimed to be the one who recorded it first, obviously!

k, just wanted to try to clear that up...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Dark did not leak the song, he just helped people that wanted the leak to get it.

[chineseblues]

Hey all you whining negative people! Whats with all the bitching and moaning at Darkemus? At least the dude is positive and how the fuck does anyone know that he does not have some sort of inside knowledge? Yeh if he turns out to be a fraud then yeh its fucked up, until then lets not judge eh? But for me a lot of Darkemus's posts definetely makes a hell of a lot better reading than the whinging pricks who try and turn every post or rumour into something sinister or negative! Come on people we are so very very close to getting this album, lets just enjoy this barrage of news and rumours and wait for the day that we all want!!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=11144.msg192551#msg192551

Sounds like a real positive kind of guy.

How novel.  A debate of darks credibility.

I'm not gonna point out that dark HAS actually been right in the past.  Nor will I point out that he was the point man (if not the direct source) of the IRS leak.  Nor will I point out that he's a stand up guy who's only relaying stuff he's heard from other people and that darks main flaw (if he has one) is that he can be TOO trusting and loyal a friend who has, in the past, believed the wrong people and relayed their information.  Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people (not including D of course ...he changes his MUCH less frequently ) change their underwear and that ANY information, reliable or not, has about as much chance of turning out to be true, tomorrow, as Axl does of launching CD via the internet independantly at the same time.

I'm not gonna point any of that stuff out (wait...or did I just??) because it's all been done before.  This particular topic has been done ad nauseum, all across this forum (and, in fact, I think it's why dark tends to post here less than he used to...it must be tiresome).  In fact...it should have it's own damn thread in the "Dead Horse" section.

Believe him or don't.  But, at this point, let's NOT relive this discussion EVERY TIME the guy posts something, eh?

Actually dark had absolutely nothing to do with the original clips of IRS leaking. He got lucky and was sent the full version after the clips were allready out there. You can bank on that. 

as far as i'm aware, dark received the full song after there had been only one or two leaks, with very little revealed. after that, dark and i were the ones who posted more of the song (first as teaser clips), then the whole song. remember the whole biff tannen/doc brown thing on mygnr? yea, that was us. that's how the clip eventually got out there. of course, a few people obviously had it before dark, but they were probably the kind of people who keep that stuff for themselves because they know it's so valuable (like the people who have las vegas recordings), so who knows if they ever intended to let the whole thing go. the point is, HE was the one who distributed the whole song to everyone. he never claimed to be the one who recorded it first, obviously!

k, just wanted to try to clear that up...

It still doesn't mean he was the source for it. There was at least 10 other people who had it before dark, some 3-4 weeks before, but they decided not to release it after they had been in contact with sanctuary......

[AxlGunner]

Hey all you whining negative people! Whats with all the bitching and moaning at Darkemus? At least the dude is positive and how the fuck does anyone know that he does not have some sort of inside knowledge? Yeh if he turns out to be a fraud then yeh its fucked up, until then lets not judge eh? But for me a lot of Darkemus's posts definetely makes a hell of a lot better reading than the whinging pricks who try and turn every post or rumour into something sinister or negative! Come on

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=11144.msg192551#msg192551

Sounds like a real positive kind of guy.

How novel.? A debate of darks credibility.

I'm not gonna point out that dark HAS actually been right in the past.? Nor will I point out that he was the point man (if not the direct source) of the IRS leak.? Nor will I point out that he's a stand up guy who's only relaying stuff he's heard from other people and that darks main flaw (if he has one) is that he can be TOO trusting and loyal a friend who has, in the past, believed the wrong people and relayed their information.? Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people (not including D of course ...he changes his MUCH less frequently ) change their underwear and that ANY information, reliable or not, has about as much chance of turning out to be true, tomorrow, as Axl does of launching CD via the internet independantly at the same time.

I'm not gonna point any of that stuff out (wait...or did I just??) because it's all been done before.? This particular topic has been done ad nauseum, all across this forum (and, in fact, I think it's why dark tends to post here less than he used to...it must be tiresome).? In fact...it should have it's own damn thread in the "Dead Horse" section.

Believe him or don't.? But, at this point, let's NOT relive this discussion EVERY TIME the guy posts something, eh?

Actually dark had absolutely nothing to do with the original clips of IRS leaking. He got lucky and was sent the full version after the clips were allready out there. You can bank on that.?

as far as i'm aware, dark received the full song after there had been only one or two leaks, with very little revealed. after that, dark and i were the ones who posted more of the song (first as teaser clips), then the whole song. remember the whole biff tannen/doc brown thing on mygnr? yea, that was us. that's how the clip eventually got out there. of course, a few people obviously had it before dark, but they were probably the kind of people who keep that stuff for themselves because they know it's so valuable (like the people who have las vegas recordings), so who knows if they ever intended to let the whole thing go. the point is, HE was the one who distributed the whole song to everyone. he never claimed to be the one who recorded it first, obviously!

k, just wanted to try to clear that up...

It still doesn't mean he was the source for it. There was at least 10 other people who had it before dark, some 3-4 weeks before, but they decided not to release it after they had been in contact with sanctuary......

exactly my point... the people who had it weren't gonna spread it. dark somehow got it and gave it to the rest of us... despite what sanctuary may have wanted... people may have their own opinions about whether that was a good thing or a bad thing, but i think most fans are happy dark shared it to us. honestly, i'm not 100% sure what youre point is.... nobody ever claimed dark was the original source for the leak, but he WAS the source that ultimately gave it directly to the remaining 99.9999% of the fans who werent lucky enough to be one of hte select few to have it.